98 fuel choice

[D2000]

Have seen a couple of threads that had some discussion on the subject of fuel choice but none squarely dealing with it and mainly to do with air cooled cars. 

So, what brand of 98 fuel do you use for your water cooled car and why?

I have to date used Shell V-Power because there is a station close to me and because my cars have always run fine on it, but the posts I refer to above suggest BP Ultimate might be best. 

[Ozvino]

I work in the Oil and Gas sector (but I don't work for an Oil company) - my advice is to use BP Ultimate, I've talked to many petrochemical engineers who specialise in refining and thats the product they recommend within the Australian market - tied back to the base product, the refining process, additives etc. 

[Raven]

I always us 98 in my 997 S  ,,,,I have no real preference for brand i just use the one that is convenient at the time of filling up ................But according to their BS adverts material  they all clean your engine,,, increase HP ,,,give better MPG ,,are better for the precious bloody environment ........and BLAH BLAH BLAH ...

One thing I can confirm is that is cost far more than it should and we get screwed at the pump real hard ........

 

[Ozvino]

17 minutes ago, Raven said:

I always us 98 in my 997 S  ,,,,I have no real preference for brand i just use the one that is convenient at the time of filling up ................But according to their BS adverts material  they all clean your engine,,, increase HP ,,,give better MPG ,,are better for the precious bloody environment ........and BLAH BLAH BLAH ...

One thing I can confirm is that is cost far more than it should and we get screwed at the pump real hard ........

 

The tax we have on fuel is significant, probably only exceeded by the Europeans

A bigger issue we have in Australia is the rapidly diminishing refining capacity we have - Australia is becoming totally reliant on refining out of Singapore, with refineries in Brisbane and Sydney being closed and turned into tank farms. We have around 30 days feed stock - so if someone decided to mine the Singapore straights Australia finds itself in a significant predicament. The defence force is useless without AVGas or Diesel product. Refining needs to be mandated as critical infrastructure and protected by the govt.

Amazes me how the worlds most resource rich country is so rooted when it comes to energy; we struggle to generate electricity and have handed over reliance on petroleum products to the Oil companies. 

[TwoHeadsTas]

We only use BP Ultimate or Caltex. Were warned off Shell by a P workshop which says they have a regular stream of cars coming in with fuel problems, nearly all of which seem to have been using Shell.  Now this was 3 or 4 years ago, but we've steered clear anyway.  Anyway, BP is  closest service station to home, and our local Woollies aligned Caltex doesnt; carry 98.  Whether there is any difference in quality between Woollies Caltex and proper Caltex I don;t know, and who knows what will happen to BP when they become the Woollies aligned brand.

I've also used BP Ultimate diesel almost exclusively in my Territory for last couple of years now after I did some research on United, which was offered big discounts through RACT.  Anyway, BP has become more price competitive these days, plus link up with Virgin points and able to use AMEX, so this makes them my usual choice for all our cars

[Raven]

1 hour ago, Ozvino said:

The tax we have on fuel is significant, probably only exceeded by the Europeans

A bigger issue we have in Australia is the rapidly diminishing refining capacity we have - Australia is becoming totally reliant on refining out of Singapore, with refineries in Brisbane and Sydney being closed and turned into tank farms. We have around 30 days feed stock - so if someone decided to mine the Singapore straights Australia finds itself in a significant predicament. The defence force is useless without AVGas or Diesel product. Refining needs to be mandated as critical infrastructure and protected by the govt.

Amazes me how the worlds most resource rich country is so rooted when it comes to energy; we struggle to generate electricity and have handed over reliance on petroleum products to the Oil companies. 

Sadly Bad leadership mate Australia could be a world leader with its abundance of resources ,,,,we shouldn,t be in the current situation with shortages of energy requirements in this country we should an be a glowing example to the rest of the world .................The situation with our refining capacity is ridiculous as per usual ,,,,like you said imagine if the flow of fuel stopped for what ever reason we would be rightly screwed ...............I am certain our quality  leaders know better than us , while they are shagging staffers and living it up on the tax payers .............. 

[9fan]

Shell 98 is out of the equation now with me on cost excess. Have been using Caltex/Woollies but Woollies is now aligning with BP so will probably go with them.

It is why prices between Caltex and BP have been discounted more than Shell.

[ANF]

I used to use Caltex 98 from a local independent station, but since I moved suburbs I now only use BP 98, for the reasons mentioned by @Ozvino

Also along the lines of @TwoHeadsTas is the bonus of Virgin/ Amex points (it quickly adds up!).

I did not think that the takeover by BP of Woolworths petrol had been approved as yet?

For all those complaining about how expensive 98 is, check the prices in Tas...... we have always been ripped off for all fuels down here.....

[firstone]

I use Caltex 98 because the BP is holding the price up in town.

I don't use the independent in town because the once I did for 95 In an older vehicle it smelled like E10. It ran like shit for ages.

There must be good fuel in most of them though.

[Raven]

50 minutes ago, ANF said:

I used to use Caltex 98 from a local independent station, but since I moved suburbs I now only use BP 98, for the reasons mentioned by @Ozvino

Also along the lines of @TwoHeadsTas is the bonus of Virgin/ Amex points (it quickly adds up!).

I did not think that the takeover by BP of Woolworths petrol had been approved as yet?

For all those complaining about how expensive 98 is, check the prices in Tas...... we have always been ripped off for all fuels down here.....

I paid $1.39 for E10 this morning is Sydney,s west what is it going for in Hobart today ...

[ANF]

3 minutes ago, Raven said:

I paid $1.39 for E10 this morning is Sydney,s west what is it going for in Hobart today ...

E10? Never used it... BP 98 is around high $1.60 maybe in to $1.70....

[Raven]

1 hour ago, ANF said:

E10? Never used it... BP 98 is around high $1.60 maybe in to $1.70....

98 was $1.58 today ,,,,,,similar to Hobart ,,the biggest thing that Piss Sydney motorists off is the fluctuation in prices next week could be 20 c a liter less its all over the place you just never know what going on ..

[ANF]

2 minutes ago, Raven said:

98 was $1.58 today ,,,,,,similar to Hobart ,,the biggest thing that Piss Sydney motorists off is the fluctuation in prices next week could be 20 c a liter less its all over the place you just never know what going on ..

I think last I filled up was $1.67 or something, we don't get fluctuations here, always the same high price...... interesting as the barrel price has stayed pretty low form what I remember but fuel keeps going up!!

[Raven]

2 minutes ago, ANF said:

I think last I filled up was $1.67 or something, we don't get fluctuations here, always the same high price...... interesting as the barrel price has stayed pretty low form what I remember but fuel keeps going up!!

Yes that is what gets Sydney motorists so fired up the barrel price has been pretty consistent but the pump price can go up and down over night 15 to 20 cents a liter and then back down again ,,it is just blatant price gouging and rubbing it in the motorists face ..

[TwoHeadsTas]

54 minutes ago, ANF said:

I think last I filled up was $1.67 or something, we don't get fluctuations here, always the same high price...... interesting as the barrel price has stayed pretty low form what I remember but fuel keeps going up!!

Filled 996 up on Sunday, think it was around $1.64........  As Adam says, we're usually pretty consistent (ly expensive) down here, but we don;t get the Friday price rises so the weekend fill up costs you more

[D2000]

1 hour ago, Raven said:

98 was $1.58 today ,,,,,,similar to Hobart ,,the biggest thing that Piss Sydney motorists off is the fluctuation in prices next week could be 20 c a liter less its all over the place you just never know what going on ..

I paid $1.75 today

[9r]

This is nearly as much fun as the ubiquitous “which oil is best” 😱

[Raven]

12 minutes ago, D2000 said:

I paid $1.75 today

Wow were was that at .........?

[LeeM]

$1.44 here in Adelaide 😂🖕 

[D2000]

46 minutes ago, Raven said:

Wow were was that at .........?

BP Rushcutters Bay

[Raven]

6 minutes ago, D2000 said:

BP Rushcutters Bay

how crap is that you get slugged 17 cents a liter more because it is Rushcutters Bay .........

[quasio]

Here's a datapoint on my past experience.

On my old R32 skyline I had a failing fuel pump, when on BP 98 it would never ping, but on V-Power it would ping slightly.  Used BP ever since. (although this was about 8 yrs ago)

This lead me to believe BP was ever so slightly higher octane than v-power.

hell you could probably run old 996 base carreras on 95 (but.. i'd still run 98)

[D2000]

21 minutes ago, Raven said:

how crap is that you get slugged 17 cents a liter more because it is Rushcutters Bay .........

Wouldn’t normally go there but needed to fill on the way to work. Almost cbd premium I guess

21 minutes ago, Raven said:

[MARTY]

I only use BP I too was warned off Shell by a mechanic on more than 1 occasion.

[RennRob]

On 23/02/2018 at 9:58 AM, Ozvino said:

The tax we have on fuel is significant, probably only exceeded by the Europeans

A bigger issue we have in Australia is the rapidly diminishing refining capacity we have - Australia is becoming totally reliant on refining out of Singapore, with refineries in Brisbane and Sydney being closed and turned into tank farms. We have around 30 days feed stock - so if someone decided to mine the Singapore straights Australia finds itself in a significant predicament. The defence force is useless without AVGas or Diesel product. Refining needs to be mandated as critical infrastructure and protected by the govt.

Amazes me how the worlds most resource rich country is so rooted when it comes to energy; we struggle to generate electricity and have handed over reliance on petroleum products to the Oil companies. 

Well said @Ozvino Hopefully Jim Molan can bring some attention to this.

How would we all feel about paying a few (?) cents/L more for a locally refined product?