LeeM Posted 9December, 2016 Report Share Posted 9December, 2016 Get a Cayman S, and beat everyone through the twisties! :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whytar Posted 9December, 2016 Report Share Posted 9December, 2016 Get a Cayman S, and beat everyone through the twisties! :-)Oh really Lee... shall I challenge you to the Strath to Macces field run? LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 9December, 2016 Report Share Posted 9December, 2016 Gauntlet thrown! Got a Cayman S I can borrow? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whytar Posted 9December, 2016 Report Share Posted 9December, 2016 Ah no. But if I did you'd be the first to get the keys... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidmarks Posted 9December, 2016 Report Share Posted 9December, 2016 Re insurance SimonN I'm only going on my experience some 23 years ago when I was investigating insurance on a 77 Carrera import only to find two out of the 1/2 dozen calls I made didn't touch imports. Maybe this has now changed over time and like car enthusiasts insurance companies are more accepting of imports.I have a few imports. No problem with insurance. In the classic market, country of first delivery is not relevant in my view. The birthplace is the same. They don't suddenly get better because of the place of first delivery ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 The birthplace is the same. They don't suddenly get better because of the place of first delivery ... I reckon a few would argue that point, though that's for another thread that's already been covered....and covered....and covered....;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidmarks Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 I reckon a few would argue that point, though that's for another thread that's already been covered....and covered....and covered....;-)OK, I'll shut up!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 All good mate. Just takin' the piss OK, I'll shut up!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidmarks Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 All good mate. Just takin' the piss Got that but I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pork Chops Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 I have a few imports. No problem with insurance. In the classic market, country of first delivery is not relevant in my view. The birthplace is the same. They don't suddenly get better because of the place of first delivery ...It's cheap-in cheap-out with an import unless it's special. The requirement for buyer beware becomes a lot higher with an import as often nothing (or much less) is known about the car and cold climates can be harsh and RHD conversions are not all done well. Not necessarily anything wrong with them but a much higher chance there is. Plus we hate those import Porsches here as they take our jobs and our women. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 Remain very curious to see what happens late 2017 and likely changes to import regs and perceptions... I'd happily buy a 964 out of NZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidmarks Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 Remain very curious to see what happens late 2017 and likely changes to import regs and perceptions... I'd happily buy a 964 out of NZ have heard that things may not change .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 Merry Xmas to you to @Skidmarks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 It's cheap-in cheap-out with an import unless it's special. The requirement for buyer beware becomes a lot higher with an import as often nothing (or much less) is known about the car and cold climates can be harsh and RHD conversions are not all done well. Not necessarily anything wrong with them but a much higher chance there is. Maybe there is a chance, but to anybody with half a brain, it shouldn't be a problem. As with all cars, if there isn't history to support the car, don't risk it. As for imports often having less or no history, I call BS on that. History gets lost with Oz cars as well, as i found out when i was looking for a car. as for climate, cold does nothing bad to a car. Salt on roads is bad, but not cold. Heat, ob the other hand...... Oz sun is a paint killer, while parking next to the sea all the time is also an issue. I also find it interesting that you quite rightly want to be sure that a car has been properly converted but you don't consider the number of accident repaired Oz cars there are.In short, you don't need to do anything extra with an import that you wouldn't do with an Oz car. With both, you get it properly checked out and make buyng decisions based on what is found. In some ways, you might consider imports a better bet, because you are automatically more on your guard and you want to make sure everything stacks up.Here's the funny thing. I have an import, that was converted to rhd. It's history has holes in it I bought it in May and since then, I have had 6 people make serious unsolicited offers for the car for more than I paid, and I consider both what i paid and the offers fair. I wonder how many people have bought Oz delivered cars this year who can say the same.Plus we hate those import Porsches here as they take our jobs and our womenHowever.......this is one of the funniest things I have seen on the forum. Well played! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plugger2 Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 It's very simple. Imports sell at a significant discount to Aus delivered P-cars, usually somewhere between 33-50%. So you buy cheaper getting in, but you will also be selling with the discount when you get out.Whether this discount is reasonable or fair etc. is completely beside the point. That's simply the market reality, and no amount of debate changes that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoSo Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 It's very simple. Imports sell at a significant discount to Aus delivered P-cars, usually somewhere between 33-50%. So you buy cheaper getting in, but you will also be selling with the discount when you get out.Whether this discount is reasonable or fair etc. is completely beside the point. That's simply the market reality, and no amount of debate changes that.Which imports are sitting at a 50% discount? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plugger2 Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 There are two 944 Turbos on carsales at the moment. The US LHD import is < 50% the asking price of the Aus delivered. And it has been advertised for some time, so arguably it's overpriced. (Having said that, the Aus delivered one is probably overpriced as well, but still...)I mentioned 33-50% as a general range. If you get a 50% discount, you *may* be looking at a good deal. OTOH, if you pay more than a 33% discount, you are likely paying over the odds.But anyone who believes that import P-cars don't sell at a _significant_ discount to Aus delivered just isn't paying attention. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brian in buddina Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 auction closing today in NZ of UK import 944 turbohttp://www.trademe.co.nz/a.asp?id=1214100763&cc=61&pid=535836280&hbc=12&member_hash=&ct=title-link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 10December, 2016 Report Share Posted 10December, 2016 It's very simple. Imports sell at a significant discount to Aus delivered P-cars, usually somewhere between 33-50%. So you buy cheaper getting in, but you will also be selling with the discount when you get out.Whether this discount is reasonable or fair etc. is completely beside the point. That's simply the market reality, and no amount of debate changes that.While it is obviously correct that imports sell at a discount, you cannot make such a sweeping statement about how much that discount is. It varies greatly, depending on the desirability of the model. Take a 3.2 carrera. Like for like, you are looking at more like 25% discount. Go for something rare and you see that discount get lower again. And imports with good providence, history etc sell easily at that level, maybe easier than their more expensive Oz delivered identical twins. When paying the bigger money, people are actually significantly more fussy.As for your example of the 944 turbo, I don't think it is a good example because it's a leftie with significantly more K's on the clock than the Oz car. The market for 944 Turbo's is limited enough anyway, but i would imagine the market for lhd is almost non existent. Funny thing is, for all the bluster of the lhd lovers, converted cars still sell for more than lhd ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plugger2 Posted 11December, 2016 Report Share Posted 11December, 2016 While it is obviously correct that imports sell at a discount, you cannot make such a sweeping statement about how much that discount is. It varies greatly, depending on the desirability of the model. Take a 3.2 carrera. Like for like, you are looking at more like 25% discount. Go for something rare and you see that discount get lower again. And imports with good providence, history etc sell easily at that level, maybe easier than their more expensive Oz delivered identical twins. When paying the bigger money, people are actually significantly more fussy.As for your example of the 944 turbo, I don't think it is a good example because it's a leftie with significantly more K's on the clock than the Oz car. The market for 944 Turbo's is limited enough anyway, but i would imagine the market for lhd is almost non existent. Funny thing is, for all the bluster of the lhd lovers, converted cars still sell for more than lhd ones.Agreed, not a perfect example (as I said, I think they are probably both overpriced), but just one I knew off the top of my head, because I've been following the 944 market in the last few weeks. But given what I have observed in the past, I expect that LHD will eventually sell for a price between a 33-50% discount compared to what a similar condition Aus delivered example would.But your observation is right: there is a hierarchy in the market: Aus imported > RHD imported > LHD converted > LHD unconverted. And that hierarchy, whether it is reasonable or unfair (many argue that an unmolested LHD *should* be more desirable than a RHD conversion), the hierarchy is there as the market reality. Further, even if I passionately believed that an unconverted LHD was far more desirable than a RHD conversion (to me), that doesn't mean I'm willing to pay more for than one. I would be paying what the market dictates is the going price, no more, no less. That distinction is the crux of it; it is essentially the "is/ought" distinction in philosophy between what is, and what should be.As for your 25% vs my rule of thumb of 33%, I won't be dogmatic, I agree there are submarkets where the degree of the discount may well vary -- only studying the markets carefully for a while can give you a feel for where the numbers are. But 33-50% is the broad range I use a starting point in my mind, based on my following prices for different models on and off over the years. And not just P-cars, either. I was looking at a nice import Lotus the other day that had the usual "import discount" applied. Quite tempting, really! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC9911 Posted 11December, 2016 Report Share Posted 11December, 2016 Nicco, nothing wrong with the 997 3.6ltr Carrera, I had one, bloody brilliant car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicco Posted 11December, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 11December, 2016 Potential rust issues from salt on the roads, possibly insurance cover can be harder to obtain and depending on model of car could have a lower market value due to being an import though it seems good classic cars will always bring good money. I'm sure there are just as many pros as there are cons but having the car inspected by someone reputable would be well advised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted 11December, 2016 Report Share Posted 11December, 2016 There was an Australian delivered manual 997S in Sydney advertised for $84k last week. 25% discount on that prices the import above is worth $63k. 33% = $56k ... I'd take it if it gets into that range! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicco Posted 11December, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 11December, 2016 Were the k's high? The one in Melb with 57ks sold in 3 days for $83k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC9911 Posted 12December, 2016 Report Share Posted 12December, 2016 Nicco, might be worth a look?https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-2008/OAG-AD-13867132 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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