Next generation Porsche Macan will be full EV only.

[Redracn]

21 minutes ago, Sustenpass said:

 

As to SA, well it seems like mistakes have been made. But they don’t seem related to the effectiveness of the power source. Mismanagement is mismanagement - fossil or renewable, if the company or govt fucks it up, they should pay. When the lights went out it was because the transmission lines were blown over.

Again, renewables are getting cheaper and more efficient as it scales up, so expect the situation in SA and elsewhere to improve. This is where the market will take over, RET or not.

For their entire useful life? Can I see your source on this?

DuckDuckGo is your friend but you have to look past the BS sites such as CSIRO and ABC. I worked In the research lab of a major corporation and they will write exactly what the boss wants.

Cost of a battery is it's purchase price plus installation divide by its expected life to (70% capacity) so I am sure you have got this one. 

SA failed because of a lack of inertia to blow fuses and if you mean that the overloaded VIC interconnect failed it had to use its circuit breakers to save itself. In a well engineered stable system the localised line faults in SA would have been isolated with little to no effect on the rest of the grid. The high penetration of renewables and lack of spinning reserve are clearly to blame. Hence the AEMO now requires a lot more spinning reserve and inertia to be online in SA. All this adds to the cost and is not needed with base load power generators.

You along with many others keep saying unreliables are getting cheaper but we have not seen any evidence of this in wholesale power prices anywhere so when will we see our power prices drop and how cheap will these renewables (poor name as neither the solar panels or windmills or batteries are renewable and will require frequent replacement)

if you want the views of reputable scientist, engineers etc check out sites such as 

http://joannenova.com.au/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/

plus others

 

 

 

 

[Sustenpass]

17 minutes ago, Redracn said:

 BS sites such as CSIRO and ABC.

 

if you want the views of reputable scientist, engineers etc check out sites such as 

http://joannenova.com.au/

https://wattsupwiththat.com/

 

Ok, you and I are sourcing our information in a very different way. Let’s agree to disagree on this one.

I’m done.

[tazzieman]

Filthy German EVs 

https://www.instituteforenergyresearch.org/international-issues/electric-vehicles-in-germany-emit-more-carbon-dioxide-than-diesel-vehicles/

"The above studies indicate that the terminology “zero emission” is a misnomer when referring to electric vehicles. Also, lawmakers should be cautious about subsidizing electric vehicles when their electricity is generated mainly by fossil fuels because they are not lowering the carbon dioxide emissions from automobiles by doing so. The old saying that “the road to hell is paved with good intentions” may well apply to many of the gimmicks and work-arounds advocated by whatever group is popular with a political and media elite at any given time. Germany’s lessons should be a case study for political leaders everywhere."

 

[JWM]

Jalopnik did a write up on that one: https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/jalopnik.com/enough-with-the-actually-electric-cars-pollute-more-bu-1834338565/amp

[Redracn]

1 hour ago, JWM said:

Jalopnik did a write up on that one: https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/jalopnik.com/enough-with-the-actually-electric-cars-pollute-more-bu-1834338565/amp

The author of this article is an idiot and has no idea other than to parrot the green gospel. 

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"Electrical grids powered by wind and solar do not just completely collapse as soon as the wind stops blowing or the sun stops shining. Not only are there stacks of traditional batteries to store excess energy for those low times, humanity has devised ingenious ways to store massive amounts of power in ways you might not think, just to get around this notion"

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If it was not for coal and gas a grid powered by wind and solar will collapse when the wind stops blowing etc no ifs no buts. He should advise the rest of us on how to store massive amounts of power. An example of such a massive power storage would be good. 

As far as batteries go here is the current reality.

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/29/battery-storage-an-infinitesimally-small-part-of-electrical-power/

 

[Philbee]

Here’s a bewty, I just read on EU news....

... “All new types of four-wheel electric vehicles must be fitted with the device, which sounds like a traditional engine.
A car's acoustic vehicle alert system (Avas) ....

so people, it’s not an exhaust it’s an “avas”

😁

 

[tazzieman]

5 minutes ago, Philbee said:

Here’s a bewty, I just read on EU news....

... “All new types of four-wheel electric vehicles must be fitted with the device, which sounds like a traditional engine.

 

What , a Holden 253?
You cant hear modern petrol/diesel engines!
It's hilarious. Can't wait to bag out some of these ave-asses!

[Troubleshooter]

Well I've said it before, nuclear gen 4 is a must even without EV's on their way. Without a total restructuring of all areas of Aust's power supply the EV's being aimed at us over the coming years don't have a hope of being viable or purchased in any meaningful quantity because of an extremely obvious reason, our supply just won't cope. Unless there are absolute large scale changes across the system, it's laughable to think that it will and it'll take decades before we can sustain them in any minor way for the majority of drivers. 

'Forced penetration' of renewables 'destabilising entire power system'   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUDbFmQfKNo   

Growth of renewable energy ‘collapses’ without subsidies   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HGWxtb5z2tQ

[LeeM]

On 27/06/2019 at 13:13, Nick987 said:

 

Battery tech has already been a failure in SA, in that it's made no difference to SA energy problems, and is totally incapable of providing base load power. it was more of marketing ploy for Tesla than anything else.

 Because they don't fkn use it! The idiot prior state premier was just grand standing to have Elon drop into SA (which also cost a fortune for one day). Those batteries were apparently to save SA if and when we have a blackout, yet all it can service is up to 30,000 homes for a day. What about everything else that requires power...Traffic lights etc etc? It was a $100million fkn joke and still is. Same as the desal plant here that cost millions and would end any water supply problems, yet it's never been used and probably never will be. 

 Say what you like about renewable energy and how good it is or going to be, yet technology costs and it can't possibly be any cheaper than what we pay now for fossil fuel power, not to mention its reliability. Add to that, you need fossil fuels to make the batteries and everything else associated with the renewable energy infrastructure (I don't hear of any solar or battery powered plants building wind farm generators!), so you can't possibly believe we can do without fossil fuels unless you're a complete idiot with lithium ion coloured glasses on, and/or you have a financial interest in pushing the technology to the masses. If that's the case, you may as well be a politician.

[tazzieman]

Go the TED!
https://newatlas.com/cct-silicon-energy-battery-thermal-energy-storage/59098/

 

[ANF]

Really, what's the point. We didn't start it and certainly can't stop it... or will mankind claim credit when it starts to get cold again... what then make everyone burn fossil fuels....

(core termp data taken from Antarctica)