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Hello everyone, I am a new member here, even though I am not living in Aus, not yet at least. I am Danish and living in Denmark with my Aussie wife, but we are looking into relocating to Melbourne sometime in 2018. We currently own two Porsche cars, a 968 from 1992 with some nice options and done just over 100k km, and the other one a 964 Turbo from 1991 with some tasty engine and suspension upgrades. We love both cars dearly and would love to bring them with us when we move to Aus.

But is this even possible, both legally and financially, and if so what is involved and how much are we possibly looking at in terms of import duties, VAT etc.? If anyone has any experience or knowledge about bringing older cars into Aus, I would love to hear about it..?

Here is a couple of pics of the cars in question.. Matching colour, both wearing midnight blue.. 

 

 

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Welcome to the forum ....

Legally .... yes, as long as you have owned them for at least 12 months.

Cost wise .... you would have to get some quotes for shipping. I'm not sure too many folks here have imported a car from Denmark .... 

As for import duties, there will be others along soon who can help you in that department ... a number of members have bought cars in from the US, UK and Europe so will have a better idea on customs costs  ..

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5 hours ago, Motosport said:

Hello everyone, I am a new member here, even though I am not living in Aus, not yet at least. I am Danish and living in Denmark with my Aussie wife, but we are looking into relocating to Melbourne sometime in 2018. We currently own two Porsche cars, a 968 from 1992 with some nice options and done just over 100k km, and the other one a 964 Turbo from 1991 with some tasty engine and suspension upgrades. We love both cars dearly and would love to bring them with us when we move to Aus.

But is this even possible, both legally and financially, and if so what is involved and how much are we possibly looking at in terms of import duties, VAT etc.? If anyone has any experience or knowledge about bringing older cars into Aus, I would love to hear about it..?

Here is a couple of pics of the cars in question.. Matching colour, both wearing midnight blue.. 

 

 

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as long as you can prove ownership over 12 months and you have lived in the same country as the cars have been, you should be all good to import. I have imported cars under the pre 1989 rule which attract no duty - not sure where yours will sit. Under the pre 89 rule you have to pay 10% GST and also Luxury car tax (30%) on any value over about $65k. Not sure what other taxes you will attract to be honest (others will know). Get a good shipping agent and they should look after most things has been my experience. Shipping costs from the US are about $5k, so I assume Europe would be similar. The trick is to get as low a valuation as you can to avoid tax sting. This can be very subjective but rightly or wrongly your cars will be forever 'dodgy imports' which will work in your favor when coming up with an incredibly low valuation ;) 

my latest dodgy import recently spotted off the coast of Sydney

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If they’re both LHD and post 89, you may struggle as I believe for registration in VIC they need to be RHD. It varies from state to state (which is ridiculous) but I’d check that before commiting to importing.

The actual import process is relatively simple, I brought our 2 cars out from the U.K. 6 years ago. Lots of paperwork, but actually quite simple.

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Thanks for all the informative replies.. So it seems like it might be doable..

I will for sure use a shipping agent in Aus who has experience in importing cars to ensure all the paperwork gets done right, and the shipping costs I am also aware of. 

I read in another thread somewhere, that there seems to be a 30 year rule for VIC in order to get a LHD car registered, it is however possible to get some kind of car club registration which allows LHD cars under the age of 30 to be imported and registered.?

So does anyone knows how it works for importing cars that are post-´89 and LHD.?

If its not possible in VIC, would it be possible to register the car in another state instead.?

Regarding the luxury car tax bracket, I am guessing the 964 Turbo might fall into that, but as TurboT mentioned, its about getting as low a valuation as possible.. Who makes the valuation and can anyone give me an idea about how much my LHD import 964 Turbo is worth in Aus.?  Or more accurately, how much luxury car tax  will my "dodgy import Porsche" end up costing me.?   I am full aware its impossible to give an exact figure, but just some kind of ball park numbers would be great..

Thanks for the warm welcome.. I am holidaying right now here in Melbourne with Mrs D, and I must say the thought of taking either of our Porsche girls out for a drive around the Vic country side in this fantastic summer weather is a very attractive proposition and motivation.. So I think its worth all the trouble when the time comes to relocate..

Regards - Alex.

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I think if you are content with club registration (its limited in how much you can drive the car) you can get a left hand drive car on the road in Victoria that is > 25 years old, so next year that’s a 1993 car. You won’t however be able to get the same car on full registration.

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Thanks again for your very helpful replies.. So if I understand it correctly, I can bring the car into Aus, register it here in VIC on a club registration with limited driving until 2021 when the car is 30 years old, and then get a full registration on it..

So now I just need an idea about who is doing the evaluation and how much I can expect my LHD 964 Turbo will be valued at.. Any estimates on that.?

Regards and merry christmas..

Alex

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 I may be missing something but do  those earlier comments about paying taxes, getting a valuation, paying GST, apply here??.... These are not overseas purchases by an Aussie returning home, who has avoided duty & gst in Australia, they are personal possessions being brought over by someone immigrating. So I don't see why any cost other than shipping and registration applies... 

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"Thanks for the warm welcome.. I am holidaying right now here in Melbourne with Mrs D, and I must say the thought of taking either of our Porsche girls out for a drive around the Vic country side in this fantastic summer weather is a very attractive proposition and motivation.. So I think its worth all the trouble when the time comes to relocate..

Regards - Alex".

If you can get them up early for a day out in the Yarra Valley get down 6am to the SMT this Wednesday. Say a quick hello and watch the pack pull out for the drive.

Love the 968, nice choice of wheels on both cars.

Cheers, Mark

Go to Forum - SMT's - [VIC] 2017 End of Year SMT, Wednesday 27th December'

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3 hours ago, Philbee said:

 I may be missing something but do  those earlier comments about paying taxes, getting a valuation, paying GST, apply here??.... These are not overseas purchases by an Aussie returning home, who has avoided duty & gst in Australia, they are personal possessions being brought over by someone immigrating. So I don't see why any cost other than shipping and registration applies... 

Well, that would be fantastic its that's the case.. I know I would still have to comply with the LHD/30 year regulations for VIC, but knowing we can bring our P-cars (or at least one of them) to Aus without risking some hefty luxury car taxes would certainly make the decision easier.. 

Can anyone shed any more lights on this.?

Best regards - Alex.

2 hours ago, 9fan said:

"Thanks for the warm welcome.. I am holidaying right now here in Melbourne with Mrs D, and I must say the thought of taking either of our Porsche girls out for a drive around the Vic country side in this fantastic summer weather is a very attractive proposition and motivation.. So I think its worth all the trouble when the time comes to relocate..

Regards - Alex".

If you can get them up early for a day out in the Yarra Valley get down 6am to the SMT this Wednesday. Say a quick hello and watch the pack pull out for the drive.

Love the 968, nice choice of wheels on both cars.

Cheers, Mark

Go to Forum - SMT's - [VIC] 2017 End of Year SMT, Wednesday 27th December'

Hello Mark, 

Thanks for the invitation, even though it just makes me wish I had our Porsches here even more so I can attend in my own car.. But an option to meet a bunch of local Porsches and their owners would certainly be great too. I am not sure if I can convince Mrs D to get up that early for a Porsche meet, but I might just come on my own. I am located in Ashburton so it shouldn't take more than half an hour or so to get there I think..

In our local "Urban Porsche Club" Copenhagen, I am also the one organizing SMT's (even though its on a Saturday) in the country side outside Cph, going through some of the most winding and scenic roads there is. Usually for a 4 hour drive including lunch somewhere in the middle. Its a great way to get excercise the cars and to socialise at the same time.. 

Best regards - Alex.

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Just to clarify, this is more of a spirited drive but we do have other days for family get-together's.

Will PM my contact for a chat, messages at top RH of page.

Mark

 

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Thanks for posting up that link, and as you point out it seems that GST and luxury car tax still aplies. So I guess the big question is, what value will they put on my 964 Turbo and how is it done.?

Best regards - Alex.

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On 26/12/2017 at 11:13 AM, Motosport said:

Thanks for posting up that link, and as you point out it seems that GST and luxury car tax still aplies. So I guess the big question is, what value will they put on my 964 Turbo and how is it done.?

Best regards - Alex.

I’m trying to find the docs from when I brought my cars over, the guy I used was recommended by the shipping company in the U.K. who handled the cars. All I can recall is his name was / is Gerry, by a quick process of google elimination I think it was this guy

http://motorvaluers.com.au/

The valuation on our cars was essentially bottom trade book in the U.K. Gerry’s accredited by customs and talking to him was very reassuring, he’s very practical. Essentially sat on the dockside the car is worth bugger all, it’s not legal until it’s registered so can’t be taken at the same value. The valuation given on it if accepted by customs can then also be used when registering it with VicRoads, which is another significant bonus. While the VicRoads counter service bloke knew an equivalent Aus car was worth $70k, I had a customs stamped valuation of $19k and that was all he could charge me stamp duty on. ?

Seeing as how you’re here in Melbourne anyway, give him a call.

Cheers

Mike

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Thanks Mike, that is very helpful post and a great place to start.. I will for sure give Gerry a call after NY to hear how its all done and how much its gonna cost. 

The dealbreaker I guess is how much he will value my 964 Turbo at, so the combined GST, duty and LCT doesn't get to crazy..

How much is a LHD import Porsche worth compared to a similar Australian car.?

Regards,

Alex.

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2 hours ago, Motosport said:

Thanks Mike, that is very helpful post and a great place to start.. I will for sure give Gerry a call after NY to hear how its all done and how much its gonna cost. 

The dealbreaker I guess is how much he will value my 964 Turbo at, so the combined GST, duty and LCT doesn't get to crazy..

How much is a LHD import Porsche worth compared to a similar Australian car.?

Regards,

Alex.

What’s it worth in your home country, if you had to sell it quickly to the trade? Knock a bit off that, convert the figure into Aussie dollars at today’s exchange rate and you’ll not be far off.

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Thanks again Mike,  that's nice and simple, and will give me a much better idea of the value.. After some quick math in my head (well, not so quick then) it seems like it could be worth the effort bringing at least the 964 Turbo with us, and perhaps even the 968 as well, even though it means driving the car/s on club permit only for the first couple of years..

Regards - Alex.

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No problem. I’d still have a chat to Gerry, the LHD configuration may mean it’s worth considerably less (normally does, despite it not being an issue to most of us) and therefore reduce the costs more. 

Also, if it can only be on club reg then there’s no stamp duty payable. Once / if it can be put on full reg the stamp duty becomes payable if you go down that route. Best of luck with it all, there’s nothing better than bringing over the devil you know B)

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