Pokiou Posted 24January, 2018 Report Share Posted 24January, 2018 Hey Guys, Need to get some advice from my fellow 996 - 997 owners. My lovely 1998 996 Carrera 2 is starting... well its not starting once the engine gets hot and i've let it sit for about 2-5 minutes. The starter doesn't tick.. after a few minutes it does a single crank and a few minutes later it starts up really slowly. Battery is fine and showing good charge even when cranking. Just wondering, has anyone had their one recondition (if so where?)or is it better to directly replace them (bosch, dansk brand) also is their any solutions for the heat soaked starter? Does anyone have one that they would like to sell ? Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 24January, 2018 Report Share Posted 24January, 2018 By a Dansk and a new starter alternator cable ............there is a tread in water cooled second page full details Fraz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D2000 Posted 24January, 2018 Report Share Posted 24January, 2018 I had my 996 starter reconditioned when I bought the car. Cost about $250 from memory (auto electrician cost, not including whatever the mechanic charged to remove and refit). I wasn’t having hot start issues, though - after doing the IMS solution and replacing all plugs and coils the starter was struggling on cold start. Reconditioning solved the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_189 Posted 24January, 2018 Report Share Posted 24January, 2018 It may be the alternator to starter cable too. A simple voltage test of alternator output vs voltage at the jump terminal posts will determine if the cable is getting heat soaked. I had the dealership replace mine, in hindsight I could have done it myself. Id replace both the starter and the cable then you should be all good. EBay have Bosch units brand new for around $300-350 from memory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francois Posted 4March, 2018 Report Share Posted 4March, 2018 On 1/24/2018 at 6:43 PM, Pokiou said: Hey Guys, Need to get some advice from my fellow 996 - 997 owners. My lovely 1998 996 Carrera 2 is starting... well its not starting once the engine gets hot and i've let it sit for about 2-5 minutes. The starter doesn't tick.. after a few minutes it does a single crank and a few minutes later it starts up really slowly. Battery is fine and showing good charge even when cranking. Just wondering, has anyone had their one recondition (if so where?)or is it better to directly replace them (bosch, dansk brand) also is their any solutions for the heat soaked starter? Does anyone have one that they would like to sell ? Cheers, Hi Pokiou, Had the same problem with very difficult (or at the end no) starts on hot starts on my 2008 Carrera S. Did the full replacement myself of Starter Motor and A/S B+ Cable. Was hard and tedious but worked awesome in the end and saved me giving 2.5+ kAUD to dealer/indy. See my before/after videos: I got a brand new Dansk Starter and an OEM harness under revision 4. Happy to help, still fresh in my head! Looking to DIY? Fraz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokiou Posted 4March, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 4March, 2018 how are you finding the Dansk starter... im tossing up between bosch or dansk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francois Posted 5March, 2018 Report Share Posted 5March, 2018 20 hours ago, Pokiou said: how are you finding the Dansk starter... im tossing up between bosch or dansk. I also had some doubts before ordering as I generally prefer to take OEM parts. In that case with such a price difference, I decided to not go OEM. I'd definitely rather go non-OEM and brand new rather than reconditioned - no idea how long a reconditionned part will last. It's great overall; it may sound a little different - maybe a bit higher pitched (The 2nd video might reflect this), although my old started was low pitched because it was dead, so might not be that much different. No idea how it'll last over time either. So far so good, I'd say it's excellent for the time being. Happy to meet up if you want to hear it or wanna have a chat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quasio Posted 7March, 2018 Report Share Posted 7March, 2018 For the record, i bought this DB Electrical SBO0162 starter motor, and it fit and works fine. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H3R9DTM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This was for a 996.2, but double check it fits for 996.1 About 200AUD all up for a new starter delivered. Hasn't missed a beat. I didn't change my y cable since i didn't have the hot soak issue. Installing myself took some interesting arm twisting and long sockets adapters.. but doable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 7March, 2018 Report Share Posted 7March, 2018 33 minutes ago, quasio said: For the record, i bought this DB Electrical SBO0162 starter motor, and it fit and works fine. https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00H3R9DTM/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1 This was for a 996.2, but double check it fits for 996.1 About 200AUD all up for a new starter delivered. Hasn't missed a beat. I didn't change my y cable since i didn't have the hot soak issue. Installing myself took some interesting arm twisting and long sockets adapters.. but doable. Nice price Q, how long was delivery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quasio Posted 8March, 2018 Report Share Posted 8March, 2018 i remember pretty dam quick, around 1 week.. fulfilled by amazon, so it's normally pretty quick. but things from the US/UK has been coming quicker than things from the eastern states to perth.. Troubleshooter and Pokiou 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokiou Posted 15March, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 15March, 2018 Hi Guys/Gals, Quick update, i ordered DB Electrical SBO0162 as it was the cheaper option. How different can a starter motor be from another one? Has anyone wrapped there starter motor in those heat wraps to keep the heat off of the motor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francois Posted 15March, 2018 Report Share Posted 15March, 2018 7 hours ago, Pokiou said: Hi Guys/Gals, Quick update, i ordered DB Electrical SBO0162 as it was the cheaper option. How different can a starter motor be from another one? Has anyone wrapped there starter motor in those heat wraps to keep the heat off of the motor? Doesn't seem like a good idea. 1. It's buried far deep, you won't be able to check if your shield is degrading. If it does, you'll need to remove plenty of parts to repair. 2. An engine stays hot during hours after use. There's no way a shield will keep that heat away. it might keep it in :-) 3. I'd rather change my starter every 5 years than to risk compromising the engine/accessories. Just my view, but it's your car :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_189 Posted 15March, 2018 Report Share Posted 15March, 2018 Your decklid fan should also be extracting heat from the engine bay when it gets too hot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokiou Posted 15March, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 15March, 2018 ive never had mine ever come on. I know it works as with the Controller, Chris from Weissach can turn it on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francois Posted 15March, 2018 Report Share Posted 15March, 2018 34 minutes ago, Pokiou said: ive never had mine ever come on. I know it works as with the Controller, Chris from Weissach can turn it on. I think turning on the A/C should switch the fan on speed 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokiou Posted 15March, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 15March, 2018 that only turns the front fans on and only at stage 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_189 Posted 15March, 2018 Report Share Posted 15March, 2018 Rear compartment fan will turn on if the engine compartment temp is >80 degrees C or coolant temp is >102 degrees C It can be tested using a PIWIS or another Porsche specific computer. I believe Weissach have an Autologic tester. You can also disconnect it and give it 12v to see it working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quasio Posted 16March, 2018 Report Share Posted 16March, 2018 yeah i wouldn't bother wrapping it. Although it's a bit of an arm twist the job wasn't too hard. and the part is cheap (compared to others). Also i assume it needs to let heat out, wrapping plus heat soak may make it worse. our cars are ~15 -16 yrs old now, so once every 15-16 yrs isn't too much. And once you install it, you'll find it's plenty strong for any condition. (unless u got a cable problem too) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokiou Posted 20March, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 20March, 2018 Well, talk about quick. My starter motor is sitting on my desk at work. I also took all of April off so looks like i got some work cut out for me and @Francois I might have a look at it myself first. I'll keep you all posted. I also removed my aftermarket headunit and all its crap. 14kg.... Clarion VZ709a + All cables + Navigation system + Media extender + more cables lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_189 Posted 20March, 2018 Report Share Posted 20March, 2018 4 minutes ago, Pokiou said: Well, talk about quick. My starter motor is sitting on my desk at work. I also took all of April off so looks like i got some work cut out for me and @Francois I might have a look at it myself first. I'll keep you all posted. I also removed my aftermarket headunit and all its crap. 14kg.... Clarion VZ709a + All cables + Navigation system + Media extender + more cables lol... I'd do the starter cable seeming you'll be in there already, it's not that expensive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokiou Posted 20March, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 20March, 2018 i didnt buy it . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_189 Posted 20March, 2018 Report Share Posted 20March, 2018 1 minute ago, Pokiou said: i didnt buy it . PCM can get it for you within a day (generally speaking) they keep them in stock in the warehouse from what I understand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokiou Posted 20March, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 20March, 2018 What is the cable called or Part number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_189 Posted 20March, 2018 Report Share Posted 20March, 2018 2 minutes ago, Pokiou said: What is the cable called or Part number. Either: 99660701901 or 99660701903 Quote your VIN to PCM or PCB and they can confirm which part you require, requires removal of the alternator and either removing the plastic jump start box temporarily from the cable or moving the AC compressor to fit it through. Cable is: starter motor cable (number 21): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francois Posted 20March, 2018 Report Share Posted 20March, 2018 7 hours ago, dan_189 said: I'd do the starter cable seeming you'll be in there already, it's not that expensive Yeah - good idea, would recommend too. Hey Dan, how far does this cable run on a 996? If i remember our conversation a few months ago, it seems to be more accessible than on the 997. For mine, I had to go unbolt it underneath the car, where it ran to (almost) the center of the car, or at least far in front of the rear wheels. Raising the car was really inevitable. How far is the last bolt holding that infamous cable on the 996? Accessible from the engine bay? Air/Oil Separator (AOS) can also be a wise replacement while in there if you have any signs of weakness. Wouldn't do it preventively though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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