CapnHyaku Posted 30December, 2020 Report Share Posted 30December, 2020 1 hour ago, Fishcop said: Can someone help me out with the game theory of increasing your price by $10k on CS? https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/porsche-911-2004/sse-ad-6388998/?utm_campaign=price-alert&utm_source=notification-centre&utm_medium=browser-push-notification&csn_atid=45cef97d-12d1-4a99-8ddc-ae120964608a 1 hour ago, Fishcop said: Can someone help me out with the game theory of increasing your price by $10k on CS? https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/porsche-911-2004/sse-ad-6388998/?utm_campaign=price-alert&utm_source=notification-centre&utm_medium=browser-push-notification&csn_atid=45cef97d-12d1-4a99-8ddc-ae120964608a I saw this behaviour regularly while I was watching for a few years. I think they are sliding down to tickle interest and then failing that returning to the previous point to get any new "players" in the game. Anyone like myself and yourself that has saved it and watched it but not bought it when they dropped the price are no longer marks for a sale. The seller doesn't care that we know how low the price could be, as we obviously are not going to buy it and outside of the this forum have no means to convey that pricing information to any new players. Shedpest, firstone and Fishcop 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 1 hour ago, Fishcop said: Can someone help me out with the game theory of increasing your price by $10k on CS? https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/porsche-911-2004/sse-ad-6388998/?utm_campaign=price-alert&utm_source=notification-centre&utm_medium=browser-push-notification&csn_atid=45cef97d-12d1-4a99-8ddc-ae120964608a I still don't understand the crazy C4S pricing. Why pay Turbo money for a Carrera just because it looks a bit like a Turbo? The Turbo is a better car in every measure without IMS issues or any of that. Just buy a Turbo? Fishcop, Shedpest and MARTY 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedpest Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 ^^^^^ Agree, completely overated, at least the Turbo's have a Mezger. This may be a Tip, but better bang-for-buck IMOHO, plus it's been for sale for 2 years and must be ready to just quit it. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2002-porsche-911-turbo-996-auto-awd-my03/SSE-AD-2128856/?Cr=0 MFX and Fishcop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishcop Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 Glad it's not just me confused... I've just started thinking about a 996 and have been drawn to the C4S only because I love the wide body and unique red reflector across the rear lid - I'm conscious it's likely no better a driver than a C2 (and likely slightly more expensive to maintain) but have accepted it's a 'premium' over the standard model. For the first time ever I'm contemplating a tip trans (or even a rag-top) if the car is an overall better prospect than an equivalent manual. But the difference in the jump from a C2S to a Turbo is minimal, making me think I should just keep saving... 48 minutes ago, CapnHyaku said: I saw this behaviour regularly while I was watching for a few years. I think they are sliding down to tickle interest and then failing that returning to the previous point to get any new "players" in the game. Anyone like myself and yourself that has saved it and watched it but not bought it when they dropped the price are no longer marks for a sale. The seller doesn't care that we know how low the price could be, as we obviously are not going to buy it and outside of the this forum have no means to convey that pricing information to any new players. That makes a lot of sense - I've seen dealers swap stock with each other for similar reasons (and I guess I've done it once or twice with houses when the market has been odd). Just seems a strange game when trying to sell a car privately. Shedpest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 1 hour ago, MFX said: I still don't understand the crazy C4S pricing. Why pay Turbo money for a Carrera just because it looks a bit like a Turbo? The Turbo is a better car in every measure without IMS issues or any of that. Just buy a Turbo? Factory turbo look 3.2’s command a premium ... so the man logic goes... KGB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedpest Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 I remember when this Turbo was for sale in Adelaide for 130K and nearly convinced myself that I needed it, than it disappeared and ended up in NSW with another 30K on it, go figure?? And 2 years down track it still hasn't sold. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2003-porsche-911-turbo-996-manual-awd-my04/SSE-AD-6136688/?Cr=10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim45 Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 1 hour ago, Shedpest said: ^^^^^ Agree, completely overated, at least the Turbo's have a Mezger. This may be a Tip, but better bang-for-buck IMOHO, plus it's been for sale for 2 years and must be ready to just quit it. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2002-porsche-911-turbo-996-auto-awd-my03/SSE-AD-2128856/?Cr=0 Agree @ 90k how could you go wrong ? If all checks out - Tune + exhaust = monster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINGY Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 2 hours ago, MFX said: I still don't understand the crazy C4S pricing. Why pay Turbo money for a Carrera just because it looks a bit like a Turbo? The Turbo is a better car in every measure without IMS issues or any of that. Just buy a Turbo? I think the same as you mate. I went through this process when I was buying my 996.2, ok you get a fat arse which looks great and I get that. I don't understand why the 996 4S didn't get a power upgrade. Paying $20-$30k more for a fat arse, bigger brakes and a stiffer chassis, why not do a power upgrade. If you want a big bag of fruit, buy a 997 4S, if you want a Mango and a Peach, buy a 996 4S. Now before all the 996 4S owners howl me down, this is just my opinion, sorry. 1 hour ago, michel said: Factory turbo look 3.2’s HUH? MFX 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 2 hours ago, MFX said: I still don't understand the crazy C4S pricing. Why pay Turbo money for a Carrera just because it looks a bit like a Turbo? The Turbo is a better car in every measure without IMS issues or any of that. Just buy a Turbo? You aren't comparing apples with apples .. An auto anything is always cheaper than it's manual equivalent. A manual C4S is in the vicinity of $85k - $90k where a manual Turbo is $120k +. That's a $30k + difference in cars .. Fishcop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 25 minutes ago, TINGY996 said: I think the same as you mate. I went through this process when I was buying my 996.2, ok you get a fat arse which looks great and I get that. I don't understand why the 996 4S didn't get a power upgrade. Paying $20-$30k more for a fat arse, bigger brakes and a stiffer chassis, why not do a power upgrade. If you want a big bag of fruit, buy a 997 4S, if you want a Mango and a Peach, buy a 996 4S. Now before all the 996 4S owners howl me down, this is just my opinion, sorry. HUH? You’re lucky it’s a free country. TINGY 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 27 minutes ago, TINGY996 said: HUH? The 3.2 came with a option of the Turbo look ... M491 option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 2 minutes ago, Dreamr said: The 3.2 came with a option of the Turbo look ... M491 option. Don’t pick on him, he’s a transaxle guy. michel, Fishcop and Dreamr 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 29 minutes ago, TINGY996 said: I think the same as you mate. I went through this process when I was buying my 996.2, ok you get a fat arse which looks great and I get that. I don't understand why the 996 4S didn't get a power upgrade. Paying $20-$30k more for a fat arse, bigger brakes and a stiffer chassis, why not do a power upgrade. If you want a big bag of fruit, buy a 997 4S, if you want a Mango and a Peach, buy a 996 4S. Now before all the 996 4S owners howl me down, this is just my opinion, sorry. That's like asking .. why pay more for a '73 model RS when the '74 had the exact same engine .. was an impact bumper but so what .. why pay more for a Carrera 3.0 when the SC had a bigger motor. Limited sale models will always command a premium .. regardless what that happens to be. Fishcop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shedpest Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 Better turn the drag up, we gotta big butted one on @MFX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naldz88 Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 3 hours ago, MFX said: I still don't understand the crazy C4S pricing. Why pay Turbo money for a Carrera just because it looks a bit like a Turbo? The Turbo is a better car in every measure without IMS issues or any of that. Just buy a Turbo? Don’t disagree however an Aus delivered 996 turbo is another 60-70k! May as well step into a 997.1 for a smidge more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINGY Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 16 minutes ago, Dreamr said: The 3.2 came with a option of the Turbo look ... M491 option. We are talking about the 996.2 which is a 3.6.......... 19 minutes ago, KGB said: You’re lucky it’s a free country. Yes I know right. Well I knew a certain someone would bite, he actually hates me. Going to get my popcorn and a beer, it's going to be a long arvo me thinks Shedpest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 2 minutes ago, TINGY996 said: We are talking about the 996.2 which is a 3.6.......... Yes I know right. Well I knew a certain someone would bite, he actually hates me. Going to get my popcorn and a beer, it's going to be a long arvo me thinks Dont know what you’re talking about, but Michel was quoting the 3.2 with the turbo look .. And just for the sake of the C4S premium .. the air-cooled 3.2 with the turbo option commands a $40k + premium over the standard one ... for only the wider guards, brakes and suspension .. who woulda guessed! michel and Fishcop 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINGY Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 1 minute ago, Dreamr said: Dont know what you’re talking about, but Michel was quoting the 3.2 with the turbo look .. And just for the sake of the C4S premium .. the air-cooled 3.2 with the turbo option commands a $40k + premium over the standard one ... for only the wider guards, brakes and suspension .. who woulda guessed! Don't care. Fishcop and michel 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 Just now, TINGY996 said: Don't care. I know ... michel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishcop Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 3 hours ago, Shedpest said: ^^^^^ Agree, completely overated, at least the Turbo's have a Mezger. This may be a Tip, but better bang-for-buck IMOHO, plus it's been for sale for 2 years and must be ready to just quit it. https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2002-porsche-911-turbo-996-auto-awd-my03/SSE-AD-2128856/?Cr=0 That's the one I was using as a litmus for entry to "Turbo" ownership vs NA 996s. Shedpest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINGY Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 Like I said, it's just my opinion and we have discussed this many times, I am only talking about 996, I am not comparing it to any other car except 997. Fishcop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishcop Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 And decades later the most expensive new 911 Turbo is still the 'automatic cabriolet' - despite everyone knowing that the manual coupe will always be the better long-term buy... https://www.news.com.au/technology/motoring/luxury/porsche-911-cabriolet-turbo-s-review-top-shelf-supercar-is-something-special/news-story/73cf0e04441a7c4d8fa637ac94c08ebe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 12 minutes ago, TINGY996 said: Like I said, it's just my opinion and we have discussed this many times, I am only talking about 996, I am not comparing it to any other car except 997. Sorry I thought we were discussing 1st gen Boxsters https://www.turbo-look.com/facts/911-carrera-3-2/ Shedpest 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Comяad1991 Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2001-porsche-911-carrera-cabriolet-996-auto/SSE-AD-4630521/?Cr=1 Ah yes... nothing like a $50K 996 Cabriolet, I swear I saw 996 cabbies going for $32K minimum on CS just 7 months ago and this is supposed to the cheapest cab for sale right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingporsche Posted 31December, 2020 Report Share Posted 31December, 2020 4 minutes ago, Comяad1991 said: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/2001-porsche-911-carrera-cabriolet-996-auto/SSE-AD-4630521/?Cr=1 Ah yes... nothing like a $50K 996 Cabriolet, I swear I saw 996 cabbies going for $32K minimum on CS just 7 months ago and this is supposed to the cheapest cab for sale right now. Gotta be quick in the dips hey! It's an asking price - offer $33k and see how you go... What's the worst that could happen? Seller says "no". What if he says "yes"? It's had the IMS Solution fitted, so you could say a non-IMS'd 996 tip cab is $45k (asking price). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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