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4 hours ago, Sherpa said:

It’s funny how the overpriced ones always have a passive-aggressive final paragraph in the ad.

It’s what put me off Hamilton’s stock over the years, they have a similarly toned boilerplate on all their CS ads.

Oh man, the final paragraph in any AH ad is something else, definitely cringeworthy… you just know they had one hand on the keyboard, and their d*ck in other hand. 

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1 hour ago, TINGY said:

Haven't been around these parts for a while but WTF is going with these 996 prices, are they overpriced or have I been left behind, I know what I think but that's worth 2/5ths of FA.

I think with the price of most models going up it was always on the cards the 996 would go up too it’s been undervalued too long,but saying that some of the prices being asked aren’t achievable 

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21 hours ago, TINGY said:

Haven't been around these parts for a while but WTF is going with these 996 prices, are they overpriced or have I been left behind, I know what I think but that's worth 2/5ths of FA.

Why not both?

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What I have read on other forums the very early 996  had a dual row ims bearing, large I think. Much the same as the MY 06 997. A 1998 manual Carrera  C2 just sold on CS asking 55k. Lowish Ks. Thought it looked good value. 

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1 hour ago, sjm said:

What I have read on other forums the very early 996  had a dual row ims bearing, large I think. Much the same as the MY 06 997. A 1998 manual Carrera  C2 just sold on CS asking 55k. Lowish Ks. Thought it looked good value. 

It can still go pop! That $55k manual was in for a very long time…

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4 hours ago, tomo said:

I'm wondering, is any 911 engine at no risk of exploding. The answer is probably not.

It seems the more you look for reassurance that you've purchased the most reliable and long lasting engine up pops PDK gearbox issues ( 997.2 onwards).

 For anyone who owns these at risk cars i recommend driving them and enjoying them, service them regularly, do sympathetic warm up before the inevitable red line

and perhaps don't dig too deep into when will my 996/997 detonate.

 

4 hours ago, JLD said:

It can still go pop! That $55k manual was in for a very long time…

Does anyone know of any obvious issues with that car, WVOR, import for example because with pricing atm, it looked great value.

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26 minutes ago, sjm said:

I'm wondering, is any 911 engine at no risk of exploding. The answer is probably not.

It seems the more you look for reassurance that you've purchased the most reliable and long lasting engine up pops PDK gearbox issues ( 997.2 onwards).

 For anyone who owns these at risk cars i recommend driving them and enjoying them, service them regularly, do sympathetic warm up before the inevitable red line

and perhaps don't dig too deep into when will my 996/997 detonate.

 

Does anyone know of any obvious issues with that car, WVOR, import for example because with pricing atm, it looked great value.

I agree, but no car dealer should lie by saying the issue doesn't exist with their car for reason xyz

 

No idea re that 55k manual, it looked great! I assumed it would have sold in days so was genuinly surprised it didn't. I'm sure it was looked at so there must have been something

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Good article apart from losing his bearings here:

 

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On this forum the poor old 3.4 996 still seems to cop an unfair share of the misinformation. I’ll take my chances with a 3.4 over a 3.6 or 3.8 997.1. Hang on what am I saying, I’d happily own any of them. They’re all awesome. This merry go round of IMS this, bore score that, it’s getting booooring. I just want to drive my 911…um,  to the shops. One day I might even be allowed to drive it to a hairdresser, if I can still see by then, oh what a glorious day that will be.

Re the WA silver manual C2 coupe, I too was surprised it didn’t sell sooner. I think it likely had a lot to do with WA and lockdown.

 

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2 hours ago, DT said:

Good article apart from losing his bearings here:

 

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On this forum the poor old 3.4 996 still seems to cop an unfair share of the misinformation. I’ll take my chances with a 3.4 over a 3.6 or 3.8 997.1. Hang on what am I saying, I’d happily own any of them. They’re all awesome. This merry go round of IMS this, bore score that, it’s getting booooring. I just want to drive my 911…um,  to the shops. One day I might even be allowed to drive it to a hairdresser, if I can still see by then, oh what a glorious day that will be.

Re the WA silver manual C2 coupe, I too was surprised it didn’t sell sooner. I think it likely had a lot to do with WA and lockdown.

 

The early cars had the dual row, and during 2000 they changed to the single row, which is the bearing that is prone to failure. It is not a 3.4 thing or even a 996.1 thing. From what I have learned the factory that produced the original dual row bearings burned down and Porsche needed to find a replacement, so mid 996.1 they changed to the single row to continue production. 

I have pulled dual rows from both my '98 996 and 986, both with well over 100k kms and they were both perfect. On the other hand I did have a Cayman S with scored bores, and I have also had a mate with a 997S with scored bores as well. 

The take away for me is, if you have a dual row 996 or a 997 which had the larger single row, I would not be concerned too much about IMS issues. Bore scoring on 997 and 987 cars is definitely something to pay closer attention to. 

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9 hours ago, the_sovereign_man said:

I don't see any talk of catastrophic failures with the Mezger engined cars?

Maybe I was being over dramatic with the exploding thing. Yes the Mezger is Motorsport derived but it still has coolant pipe issues which require engine removal and are not cheap to fix. Problems nonetheless. 

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@MFX (or anyone else) do you have the bearing number (or just dimensions) of the original dual row you removed from your car?  I'm curious whether it is a 3204 or not?  There must be something funny about it that is different to a 3204 since the consensus seems to be that there is no direct replacement for it anymore.

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On ‎16‎/‎10‎/‎2021 at 18:17, the_sovereign_man said:

I don't see any talk of catastrophic failures with the Mezger engined cars?

 

On ‎16‎/‎10‎/‎2021 at 18:17, the_sovereign_man said:

I don't see any talk of catastrophic failures with the Mezger engined cars?

Hmm, tread carefully with your "time being comment"  after finding that extra sweet spot in third gear with a bit more of a bump in hp / torque in third gear and that post above.   Unlike other marks, they don't respond too well when you up the torque /boost and venture beyond factory fitting turbo's and the tune / fueling is perhaps a bit on the aggressive side.   There  was an active poster on here who appears to have gone on a sabbatical.  Could of sworn I eye balled an  expensive paper weight  or two around his home / garage that had a lean too more like a banana as opposed to being dead straight that came from a mezger (not your run of the mill 996/997 turbo/gt3 badged vin no / matching mezger engine serial numbers either).  Had to forego some decent opportunity cost bucks at the time as a result.   

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I had the IMS done at a local Porsche specialist here in Perth couple of weeks ago. I had the dual row bearing and the mechanic reckons he has never seen one that worn. Gave me a few weeks before it could have been a very different story!  He kept it at his shop as a show and tell for other customers coming in haha

its a 2000 cab, manual with 137k kms. 
the clutch started to slip couple weeks ago also so got the max mileage for clutch, flywheel and IMS. 

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On 17/10/2021 at 17:45, tomo said:

From Rennlist , I just measured my intact dual row bearing. I have the following measurements outside diameter 47mm inside diameter of opening 20mm and width of the bearing 24mm

Thanks @tomo & @MFX
It is just idle curiosity on my part.  This topic has been done to death and everyone will have their take on it.  I generally feel that Baz Hart from Hartec has some of the most sensible expert commentary on the topic, free from the alarmist rhetoric of some others.  He has commented that both dual and single row bearings have a similar load rating and similar rates of failure, only corrected by the M97 larger bearing which was finally up to the task (but still a dumb thing to put in there in the first place).

Looking at ratings of (at least generic versions of) the M96 and M97 single row (6204/6305 deep groove ball) bearings versus the nearest match dual row available now (3204 angular contact), the dual row comes up much closer to the M97 bearing.  But clearly the dual row they used was not a 3204 and in fact was some very odd kind of bearing which has subsequently not been available.  I am curious of the details of that specific bearing and why it was different to a 3204 (but as said only idle curiosity, it's a blind alley!).  There must have been a reason Porsche never used a 3204 in the later M96's, even though the dimensions and ratings seem to lend themselves to it.

Anyway, macht nichts as our German friends say - doesn't bloody matter.  Change them and enjoy the car!

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