brian in buddina Posted 30June, 2018 Report Share Posted 30June, 2018 another Pcar premium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingporsche Posted 30June, 2018 Report Share Posted 30June, 2018 Great article @brian in buddina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 Sounds very familiar....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstone Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 Think he should lay off the whisky and get a script. Feck it took him a long time to say something simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 so his mate overpaid for a car...who gives a shit? get a new shirt and talk about the third owner who will get a bargain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 1 hour ago, firstone said: Think he should lay off the whisky and get a script. Feck it took him a long time to say something simple. I deleted what I had posted earlier. Get to the point mate!! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 I gave up after 5 mins. What was his point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC9911 Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 3 minutes ago, MFX said: I gave up after 5 mins. What was his point? Some peple paid too much for their cars, speculation, like gambling. Hope thats not too brief. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 16 minutes ago, GC9911 said: Some peple paid too much for their cars, speculation, like gambling. Hope thats not too brief. Ya nailed it ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason A Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 I hung in there for 20 minutes to give him an opportunity to make a point, still waiting. wait till he tries to sell his Evora, he will loose as much as his mate did on a GT3. Nothing more to say oh nice shirt - Evora man ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 33 minutes ago, MFX said: I gave up after 5 mins. What was his point? i'm impressed you got 5 min in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 So whats new .. its always been a boys club and even worse here … rort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstone Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 Unless you're one of the boy's. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 I'm on holiday so sat through the whole thing. Long winded but his point seems to be the Porsche approach of selling GT cars to selected individuals only leads to high demand for lightly used cars artificially inflating prices but only for the "right" spec (eg. clubsport pack even if pointless for a road driven car) and only if rarely or never driven. He laments Porsche allowing this to go on, incentivising the chosen few to not drive their cars and others to jump on the band wagon hoping for a quick buck. He suggests Porsche should interrogate buyers like Ferrari does to limit the flippers. And you should buy a GT expecting it to depreciate and go drive the bloody thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 3 hours ago, DJM said: I'm on holiday so sat through the whole thing. Long winded but his point seems to be the Porsche approach of selling GT cars to selected individuals only leads to high demand for lightly used cars artificially inflating prices but only for the "right" spec (eg. clubsport pack even if pointless for a road driven car) and only if rarely or never driven. He laments Porsche allowing this to go on, incentivising the chosen few to not drive their cars and others to jump on the band wagon hoping for a quick buck. He suggests Porsche should interrogate buyers like Ferrari does to limit the flippers. And you should buy a GT expecting it to depreciate and go drive the bloody thing. if they wanted to stop the flippers they'd just sell to anyone with money, no limited run bs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 5 minutes ago, clutch-monkey said: if they wanted to stop the flippers they'd just sell to anyone with money, no limited run bs. The only way to stop the flippers is to not pay the inflated ask, flippers who don’t actually want the cars, just the profit will soon move on if they lose money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 35 minutes ago, StevepGT3 said: The only way to stop the flippers is to not pay the inflated ask, flippers who don’t actually want the cars, just the profit will soon move on if they lose money. except that is tricky if you can't obtain the car you really want anywhere else.. whereas if you can just go buy another one off porsche at normal price, the flippers will be stuffed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 2 minutes ago, clutch-monkey said: except that is tricky if you can't obtain the car you really want anywhere else.. whereas if you can just go buy another one off porsche at normal price, the flippers will be stuffed. If you really want/need the car to use no biggie if you keep it for 10 years,but if you pay 400 for a car worth 350 expecting to flip it yourself for 450 in six months without using it , you are more than likely to get your fingers burnt, SUCKED IN. I really think that if they had the capacity to just keep churning them out, they wouldn`t be a Porsche, and if you look at he numbers this is only a very big problem for a very small amount of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 23 minutes ago, StevepGT3 said: If you really want/need the car to use no biggie if you keep it for 10 years,but if you pay 400 for a car worth 350 expecting to flip it yourself for 450 in six months without using it , you are more than likely to get your fingers burnt, SUCKED IN. I really think that if they had the capacity to just keep churning them out, they wouldn`t be a Porsche, and if you look at he numbers this is only a very big problem for a very small amount of people. how is that no biggie? the first flipper gets his 50k profit regardless of whether you keep it ten years or not, and thus, the cycle continues. unless you can ignore old mate flipper and spend 350k to get one direct from porsche. then none of the flippers have a market.. easy solution. as for churning them out, that has no relevance in a world where boxsters and cayennes exist. porsche clearly isn't that worried about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 1July, 2018 Report Share Posted 1July, 2018 11 minutes ago, clutch-monkey said: how is that no biggie? the first flipper gets his 50k profit regardless of whether you keep it ten years or not, and thus, the cycle continues. unless you can ignore old mate flipper and spend 350k to get one direct from porsche. then none of the flippers have a market.. easy solution. as for churning them out, that has no relevance in a world where boxsters and cayennes exist. porsche clearly isn't that worried about it. It’s no biggie because you know what you are getting into for a car you absolutely have to have( if there is such a thing) and are prepared to pay. There is no way to stop this happening as long as it’s not illegal, and the must haves must have. if they could, and churned the GT’s out they would be far less desirable and the must haves would move onto something else that no one could get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 2July, 2018 Report Share Posted 2July, 2018 44 minutes ago, StevepGT3 said: if they could, and churned the GT’s out they would be far less desirable and the must haves would move onto something else that no one could get. nothing but positives there haha get the GT cars back into the hands of the drivers again! PCQ days used to have 60+ cars out..new GT3's, brand new GT3RS, aircooled of all sorts.. now they can't even fill a half day due to people hiding them away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozvino Posted 2July, 2018 Report Share Posted 2July, 2018 I love juicy first world problems The market dictates prices, if someone is prepared to pay stupid money for a car, who gives a shit; move to North Korea if you dont like capitalism Since when did Porsche ownership become yet another entitlement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 2July, 2018 Report Share Posted 2July, 2018 1 hour ago, clutch-monkey said: PCQ days used to have 60+ cars out..new GT3's, brand new GT3RS, aircooled of all sorts.. now they can't even fill a half day due to people hiding them away. This isn't the case in PCNSW, I would say 30-40% of the field is GT cars... from 996 to brand new stuff. It makes me very happy to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 2July, 2018 Report Share Posted 2July, 2018 Mine is hidden away, but not because I intend to flip, just because I've got a new baby in the house and not a lot of time to drive it. The last RS really did annoy me though. They brought in so many of them (probably more than the current GT3) and all these people trying to flip them $100k above list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 2July, 2018 Report Share Posted 2July, 2018 8 hours ago, Ozvino said: who gives a shit; ♌♏♈♋ ㊙️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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