D-banger Posted 2August, 2018 Report Share Posted 2August, 2018 Has anyone seen these solid material, flare type fire extinguishers for sale in Australia? They seem to have a lot going for them. The claims I like are, - lightweight - maintenance free - longer discharge time - and they look easy to use I have no affiliation. https://elementfire.com/ YellowDieselGolf, Raven, StevepGT3 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 2August, 2018 Report Share Posted 2August, 2018 interesting product I can see huge pros to having a few of those ,,,my only concern would be if there are any health risks from the chemicals that make up the extinguisher gas ... Most of the 1kg size units many fit in their cars are unless ,,seen it many times at the track , competitor has engine fire ,,stops car in safe place ,,this take a minute ,,gets out of Harness as quickly as possible another 30 seconds ,,screws around trying to pull pin and use extinguisher ,,, by this time things are really ablaze ,cracks open the 1 kg extinguisher empties it in around 10 seconds and then stands horrified waiting for the fire marshals because the 1kg couldnt do the job and his pride and joy is still burning ... 3 or 4 of those on hand would be a better thing to have easy to store due to size and pack a decent punch give you better chance while the safety safari deploy ... tazzieman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 2August, 2018 Report Share Posted 2August, 2018 This is very interesting. Particularly as I have been reading a Pistonheads thread a couple of days ago following a pommy guys build of a 986 with an Audi turbo V6 conversion. He had 2 small extinguishers in the car, and he used both of them to no use and watched his car go up in flames. Maybe a couple of these could have helped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 2August, 2018 Report Share Posted 2August, 2018 17 minutes ago, Raven said: interesting product I can see huge pros to having a few of those ,,,my only concern would be if there are any health risks from the chemicals that make up the extinguisher gas ... Most of the 1kg size units many fit in their cars are unless ,,seen it many times at the track , competitor has engine fire ,,stops car in safe place ,,this take a minute ,,gets out of Harness as quickly as possible another 30 seconds ,,screws around trying to pull pin and use extinguisher ,,, by this time things are really ablaze ,cracks open the 1 kg extinguisher empties it in around 10 seconds and then stands horrified waiting for the fire marshals because the 1kg couldnt do the job and his pride and joy is still burning ... 3 or 4 of those on hand would be a better thing to have easy to store due to size and pack a decent punch give you better chance while the safety safari deploy ... Exactly. Hands up if anyone who is not a properly equipped trained fireman has successfully put out a sudden large fire. Fire is big , scary and it hurts. Learn to run is the best advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 2August, 2018 Report Share Posted 2August, 2018 11 minutes ago, MFX said: This is very interesting. Particularly as I have been reading a Pistonheads thread a couple of days ago following a pommy guys build of a 986 with an Audi turbo V6 conversion. He had 2 small extinguishers in the car, and he used both of them to no use and watched his car go up in flames. Maybe a couple of these could have helped. it is pretty common in weekend motor sport ,,, CAMS only require a 1kg on track days and limited speed events ,,,its just not enough when oil and fuel are in the mix ...........The 4kg electric bombs are the way to go ,,plumb them into engine bay with lines ,,,,,hit the button on the move and generally have it out before you stop .. But some of those strapped on the cage or drivers door card as extra,s would be good ... MFX and Gavn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam Arnott Posted 2August, 2018 Report Share Posted 2August, 2018 Not sure if the Porsche cognoscenti are into these, but the Kombi guys are - http://blazecut.com/small-enclosures/description/ A good first line of defence that might buy a bit of time before you can get out the 1kg extinguisher........ 9fan, D-banger and Raven 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 2August, 2018 Report Share Posted 2August, 2018 Never seen those blaze cuts before that,s another good idea ,,I can see the pro,s for having one or two in an engine ... Just checked out the Element web site and you can buy the extinguisher sticks online ,,,,pretty reasonable priced ,,,,just not sure if they mail to Aus ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D-banger Posted 2August, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 2August, 2018 There is a similar device called extinguish stick. https://extinguishstick.com Have not found much on getting them in Oz ☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timm Posted 2August, 2018 Report Share Posted 2August, 2018 I wonder if they would do a group buy? I have sent them a message, will see what they respond. Edit: Here's their reply...seems I wasn't the only one who messaged them Timm, Please excuse the generic reply but our offices have been swamped with recent enquiries from Australia for some reason and we cannot answer all of them individually. Our extinguishers are not certified for and consequently cannot be sold in the Australian or New Zealand markets, nor can they be shipped via air service. Please note that if you attempt to have these ordered and shipped to a North American address and then forwarded to Australia they will be seized by Australian authorities and you may face serious penalties under IATA regulations. Best Regards, Paul Calisi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavn Posted 3August, 2018 Report Share Posted 3August, 2018 I wonder if it is the chemicals in them that is causing the lack of certification. You can do quite a lot with the full sized extinguishers that you see on the wall of office blocks, apartments etc but those little ones (and I am guilty of having one of those in the car as well) are pretty useless in an engine bay fire situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 3August, 2018 Report Share Posted 3August, 2018 I am interested in an a couple extinguisher stick just need to find out if they ship to Oz,,,,,, one for P car in glove box or Door pocket just in case and one for the race car close at hand ,,for added safety and extra peace of mind they only weight 230 grams mount it in the cockpit ,,,,why not can not hurt ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZ930 Posted 3August, 2018 Report Share Posted 3August, 2018 Even your normal extinguisher is considered "Dangerous Goods" under ICAO and IATA regulations and must be transported as such. The only reason that you see them on aircraft is that they are considered "Exempt Dangerous Goods" when they are required equipment. The problem I see is that the mini extinguisher produces heat and smoke and it needs to be tested for certification for these reasons as well as it's compatibility with other goods, including your pets, whether DG or not, any secondary hazards, packing requirements, quantities that can be carried and can it transported safely as well as, emergency procedures should one self activate or if damaged. Are the chemicals involved toxic, corrosive, etc. After all it is basically a flare. Peter M and Raven 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 4August, 2018 Report Share Posted 4August, 2018 That,s a good point raised by Oz930 and I could see how it would be considered DG ...Out of interest has any one every purchase an extinguisher from over sea,s for there car eg a rennline or some thing similar ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevepGT3 Posted 4August, 2018 Report Share Posted 4August, 2018 40 minutes ago, Raven said: That,s a good point raised by Oz930 and I could see how it would be considered DG ...Out of interest has any one every purchase an extinguisher from over sea,s for there car eg a rennline or some thing similar ... I tried to import one to fit this Brey Krause mount that I stupidly got without taking into consideration that local ones wouldn`t fit. Couldn`t import one but ended up sourcing one locally at great cost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex69T Posted 18November, 2018 Report Share Posted 18November, 2018 Looks like these are now available in Australia: https://firestryker.com.au/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3legs Posted 18November, 2018 Report Share Posted 18November, 2018 The Fire Stryker looks pretty impressive although you would want to make sure of the wind direction. Fairly expensive especially if you want 3 or 4 but certainly a lot cheaper than with no extinguisher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstone Posted 18November, 2018 Report Share Posted 18November, 2018 The video gives me very little confidence in it's ability to put out a fire. It seems it would only work where you can get close, and how often is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 19November, 2018 Report Share Posted 19November, 2018 IATA = air regulations. Sounds like a shipping issue not a ‘puttin out fire issue’. If shipped by sea I’m sure no problems. Note that the same issue face a lot of things like drones that have big batteries. while on the topic careful where you park your car. there was a Boxster parked about 15m away with a melted front, but otherwise ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex69T Posted 4December, 2018 Report Share Posted 4December, 2018 I thought I'd give one a try (well, hopefully not!). It easily fits in the '69 map pocket. I still have the old one mounted between the rear seats. You never can be too sure (just like wearing two condoms 😄) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 4December, 2018 Report Share Posted 4December, 2018 30 minutes ago, Alex69T said: I thought I'd give one a try (well, hopefully not!). It easily fits in the '69 map pocket. I still have the old one mounted between the rear seats. You never can be too sure (just like wearing two condoms 😄) I am also interested in one of these ,,,how much did one cost ...?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex69T Posted 4December, 2018 Report Share Posted 4December, 2018 They're $165 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzJustin Posted 31January, 2020 Report Share Posted 31January, 2020 Digging up this thread. Has anyone had to use one of these extinguishers yet? ARB still seems to be the only AU distributer at $165 each? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted 1February, 2020 Report Share Posted 1February, 2020 No but for $165 they are a good thing to have I have one in my open wheeler race car close at hand ,,, down side of the seat ,,just as a back up for the fire bomb system and it also gives me the option if its a small fire rather than letting the bomb off ,,would be good in any Road car stored in a door pocket of glovebox ,plenty of online video of different brands showing their effectiveness .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzJustin Posted 1February, 2020 Report Share Posted 1February, 2020 Yes I decided to grab one from ARB today to replace my current extinguisher. No need for a seat mount now as it fits perfectly in the map pocket of my door. 👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavn Posted 1February, 2020 Report Share Posted 1February, 2020 I'm going to try & test a couple at work & have it recorded - would be great to see how effective it is in a real world engine bay fire. MFX and Uncle 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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