tazzieman Posted 27December, 2018 Report Share Posted 27December, 2018 Big City people , is this true? Are building standards lax in the rush for profit? And is the tower actually leaning or is it a trick of the eye? https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw/huge-pressure-developers-cutting-costs-are-root-cause-of-defects-20181226-p50o97.html I'd be out of that building like shit through a goose. A few more wild weather events and it's toast..or perhaps muesli. IMO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstone Posted 27December, 2018 Report Share Posted 27December, 2018 Goose. Cracked me up. 😂 Seriously, what drama these people will face. Can't live in it. Can't sell it. Still have to pay for it. 😧😧😧 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 27December, 2018 Report Share Posted 27December, 2018 Mate, its rife throughout the building game. I do robe installations for big building companies, and often hear the horror stories from the owners. One very recently, the client noticed some gaps forming where the cornice meets the wall in his very high end build and had the 'well respected high end' builder repair it and repaint. No problems for a week, then heard a couple of cracks early in the morning and thought it was just the house 'settling in'. An hour later BANG CRASH SMASH.... The whole ceiling collapsed. Ofcourse the builder is absolving himself from any responsibility as usual (it was his personal crew who built the whole house) and the bloke is in for a big fight in the courts. Another recent one, 108 defects in a townhouse (there are 40 onsite) and they've banned anyone going inside that house (box) until it has passed all inspections. Clients are justifiably screaming for compensation, as its costing them rent plus the mortgage they're paying for their house. Who built it? Imports...nuff said. Now ALL 40 are being inspected This place you posted, I bet any money that the builders/developers get away with any compensation to the owners, as the law seems to protect them before the occupants/buyers. If that's what they can see now, what else has been done dodgy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 27December, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 27December, 2018 5 minutes ago, LeeM said: If that's what they can see now, what else has been done dodgy? Dirty deeds done dirt cheap. You see it all the time in hotels/holiday apartments. And I don't stay in 1* joints. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstone Posted 27December, 2018 Report Share Posted 27December, 2018 Story in the Telegraph today, a look at the private certifiers past wraps on the knuckles. It is the Telegraph though. 😉 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 27December, 2018 Report Share Posted 27December, 2018 And the builders, developers and owners will still enjoy their trust funds whilst the people they have ripped off with a shit building endure the hassles and probable financial losses of a devalued property. But that doesn't matter does it? Japanese company...what do you expect? Just surprised its not a Chinese company, though they probably have some dirty fingers in the company pies. You watch these assholes file for bankruptcy and move to Sanctuary Cove to enjoy the cash they have hidden among their families Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 28December, 2018 Report Share Posted 28December, 2018 Side note - why the hell is it so expensive in Sovereign Islands? Is that where all the development money ends up or what? Or is just where the Chinese have been buying? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstone Posted 28December, 2018 Report Share Posted 28December, 2018 53 minutes ago, LeeM said: And the builders, developers and owners will still enjoy their trust funds whilst the people they have ripped off with a shit building endure the hassles and probable financial losses of a devalued property. But that doesn't matter does it? Japanese company...what do you expect? Just surprised its not a Chinese company, though they probably have some dirty fingers in the company pies. You watch these assholes file for bankruptcy and move to Sanctuary Cove to enjoy the cash they have hidden among their families It's a haunted house now. It'd be easier to sell Ivan Mallats place. 9 minutes ago, sleazius said: Side note - why the hell is it so expensive in Sovereign Islands? Is that where all the development money ends up or what? Or is just where the Chinese have been buying? Yes Yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 28December, 2018 Report Share Posted 28December, 2018 20 minutes ago, firstone said: It's a haunted house now. It'd be easier to sell Ivan Mallats place. I was thinking the Amityville house (Google it if you don't know), though definitely tainted that's for sure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 29December, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 29December, 2018 I won't say I saw this coming years ago , but I did. Some salient points raised here. Luckily I haven't "invested" in one of these buildings. https://www.news.com.au/national/nsw-act/news/the-farreaching-consequences-of-opal-tower/news-story/2326a65696330c04ac03747b82e83187 “I’m old enough to remember working on building sites when I was a lad. And there’d be a clerk of works who oversaw the whole thing from start to finish, who kind of patrolled and policed the site … They don’t have those things any more. The best they have is a project manager who comes down every so often in a nice suit with a laptop and a spreadsheet.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 30December, 2018 Report Share Posted 30December, 2018 A mob I install for have 2 site supervisors permanently onsite that go over every job once its completed, then they sign it off the same day. Any problems, they'll tell you straight away and expect them corrected within 5 days. A great way to ensure quality workmanship I'll add that nearly every trade I deal with (usually carpenters and flushers) when walls and floors are out of level by 20-30mm etc usually say 'its within tolerance mate'. Going by Australian standards, it most definitley is NOT within building code and should be rectified, instead of me having to make it look right by installing a panel 20-30mm out of level to suit a door architrave that is visually on the piss. I'm no carpenter, but even I can see its dodgy work and usually is when I put a 2metre level on it. Lots of trades just handball problems, yet it all comes down to whoever did the framing or the floors. I see it nearly every job, and can guarantee there is no way I'd build a new house unless I supervised every facet of the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3legs Posted 30December, 2018 Report Share Posted 30December, 2018 Couldn't agree more Lee. I live in a house that was built in the early part of last century. Lets see how many houses built this century still survive to this time next century. Not many I wager. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 30December, 2018 Report Share Posted 30December, 2018 @3legs Oh I've done loads of old homes when I was doing retail installations where the walls and floors are anywhere from 20-50mm out of level which are usually in beachside areas like Semaphore/West Lakes etc (have seen 100mm there before and ALWAYS solid walls like butter so I can't get a fixing), yet I think a lot of today's trades mostly just don't give a toss, finish the job and take the cash with no responsibility, as they rarely fix anything THEY have done unless they have some morals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3legs Posted 30December, 2018 Report Share Posted 30December, 2018 Oh geez thanks Lee. Now I'm going worry about my house falling apart around me. As if these hot nights make it hard to sleep you have to go and say that 😁😁😁 Kidding🤣 BTW Boxster to Buiks around the 15th. Oh and Craig got your photo😀 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 30December, 2018 Report Share Posted 30December, 2018 25 minutes ago, 3legs said: Oh geez thanks Lee. Now I'm going worry about my house falling apart around me. As if these hot nights make it hard to sleep you have to go and say that 😁😁😁 Kidding🤣 BTW Boxster to Buiks around the 15th. Oh and Craig got your photo😀 😁 Watch out mate! Nah, your area is usually pretty solid from what I've done around there mate, as it's an old wog area, so they usually overbuild everything 😁 (no offence to the European forum members). Usually bloody high ceilings too which was always a bastard when I had to fit 3000mm x 500mm facias to the ceilings on my own! Part of the reason why I don't do retail anymore 😁 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV911 Posted 7January, 2019 Report Share Posted 7January, 2019 I call it "The Slanty Shanty", and it's the first of many such stories to come. Dodgy builders with certifiers and councils in their pockets, councils with developers on their boards, conflicts of interest aplenty. There are tens of thousands of units going up around Olympic Park (with no accompanying infrastructure), all of which will be virtually worthless one day. They are building the slums of tomorrow, and you couldn't pay me to live there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 7January, 2019 Report Share Posted 7January, 2019 They're doing a great job fixing it up 🙄 https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/finance/business/other-industries/builder-defends-action-as-residents-share-horror-investigation-pictures/news-story/9c13cc8904a72da3f6b03f4362946eae And they already knew about the problems, yet that's no surprise. As @JV911 mentioned, it's all about greasing the palms of those in charge https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news.com.au/finance/business/report-exposed-big-problems-in-building-and-construction-industry-before-opal-tower-drama/news-story/6f137590be94b9a42d59f39ea7e84eb7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstone Posted 7January, 2019 Report Share Posted 7January, 2019 I did strata title ONCE. Only 8 units. Construction issues from the 90s when local council inspectors where in control. The units where all ground floor in blocks of 4. The block I was in had a concrete slab floor and I presumed the other block was the same. No. The other block was built on stumps around 350mm off the ground at the front and 800 at the rear. The bearers where undersize and the circulation wasn't sufficient. Water had got under the building and ruined the floor. This block also only had a stud gyprock wall between them. No firewall. I sold out. Like I said ONCE. Besides, I'm way too controlling. 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 7January, 2019 Report Share Posted 7January, 2019 Hey it's not the only one https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/Why-sinking-SF-tower-is-now-a-top-tourist-13231133.php i agree anything strata titled is not an investment but an invitation to question your sanity. Doubly so for anything with a lift, gym/pool facilities and anything else flash. if you want to live in a shiny tower invest in something else and pay the apartment rent from your investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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