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So if this ever eventuates what's the view on  years / model P cars that will see  bit of a hockey stick accelarated depreciation downshift blip.  

 

https://www.whichcar.com.au/news/porsche-australia-warns-government-against-overnight-removal-of-luxury-car-tax

I'll start with 991.1 gt3's with the engine hiccups will sit under 997 gt3s unless someone comes up with a 30k aud engine kit fix that is guaranteed to address the issue for 50k km.  Also thinking pre 2010 911's likely to see a  flat hockey stick and sub 50k macans for the price of  new fully loaded Kia  suv.

 

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What the f%ck are they talking about??

Stepping it down over time so the loss is incrementally absorbed each time a 2nd hand car changes hands?

What if it only changes hands once - bought before and sold after the phase out?

And how is that fair to new car buyers? Who gets the extra money that is no longer a legitimate tax?

Self serving BS cloaked in concern for their customers - Porsche simply trying to mitigate loses on their trade ins and 2nd hand car sales whilst bleeding their customers.

Unless I'm missing something?

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Interesting one... but if history is anything to go on, it'll be implemented in the most convoluted way. 

A retrospective scheme would be an accountants worse nightmare, and an immediate removal would pose all those ramifications listed in the article. However with the seemingly increasing socialists attitude amongst Australian's I'd imagine the general consensus is going to be "fuck em they can afford it". :lol:

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  I'm not real smart, especially talking about things like this, yet would new car buyers (who don't have to pay LCT) really give a shit about anyone else having their car depreciate? 

 Thought not

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12 hours ago, LeeM said:

  I'm not real smart, especially talking about things like this, yet would new car buyers (who don't have to pay LCT) really give a shit about anyone else having their car depreciate? 

 Thought not

Yes because the majority of new car buyers are trading an old one.  People behave in funny ways, even though they’ll be better off in the long run.   I would expect the used market to crater and for new car sales to dry up until it comes in.

Any stupid tax should just be yanked and let the chips fall where they may.  They didn’t care about the impact when they brought it in.  And it bit hard on Porsche and others at the time.  Just drop it instantly and let the market react and adjust.

greedy socialists are going to socialist - news at 11

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Question. Is stamp duty calculated after Lct? I'm guessing yes, so stamp duty revenue will be reduced?

The problem with removing one income stream is they have to find another one to replace it. 

I'm LCT exempt anyway. 😆

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The biggest problem will be if you have financed the whole thing, the sudden drop in value compared to payout figures will be distressing. I wonder how the insurance gods will react once they clue in that the gap insurance they have out there just got more likely to be claimed against?

A lot of finance deals and leases will be upside down if the bandaid just gets ripped off. No doubt there will be lots of unintended consequences 

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Get rid on LC tax and every other bloody tax and tariff ,,we rightly get screwed .....Have they dropped the Tariff on imported cars that was in place to protect the domestic  car manufacturers  eg Ford and Holden .................Who dont produce cars here any longer :wacko:

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1 hour ago, thumperson said:

The biggest problem will be if you have financed the whole thing, the sudden drop in value compared to payout figures will be distressing. I wonder how the insurance gods will react once they clue in that the gap insurance they have out there just got more likely to be claimed against?

A lot of finance deals and leases will be upside down if the bandaid just gets ripped off. No doubt there will be lots of unintended consequences 

So, what happened when they just introduced the LCT ?  Did all the "older" so called luxury cars suddenly increase in value ?  Was anyone compensated ?

Isn't this called a market adjustment ?

Why is PCA complaining ?  It's not as if they were getting the tax anyway.  It doesn't make them look good in the eyes of the consumer...

or do they have a lot invested in luxury car leases rather than sales and have the most to lose ?

Maybe, there is a bit of "snobbery" in this issue as well.  Wouldn't be the first time.

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2 hours ago, OZ930 said:

So, what happened when they just introduced the LCT ?  Did all the "older" so called luxury cars suddenly increase in value ?  Was anyone compensated ?

Isn't this called a market adjustment ?

Why is PCA complaining ?  It's not as if they were getting the tax anyway.  It doesn't make them look good in the eyes of the consumer...

or do they have a lot invested in luxury car leases rather than sales and have the most to lose ?

Maybe, there is a bit of "snobbery" in this issue as well.  Wouldn't be the first time.

I don’t know. It was just a ponder. Maybe Porsche finance is leading the charge about not ripping it off too fast. I am with you on just getting it done and I buy new cars so I will be one of the ones taking it in the butt re current value. 

I don’t think it is snobbery and maybe they will option up new cars that come to Australia to maintain a price point. 

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If (or is it when?) the LCT is removed and the price of a new Porsche is still very high (compared to ALL other countries) who will Porsche et al blame for our over inflated prices.... Porsche wanting to step the removal over time as it "adjusts" it's prices so there is less sticker shock, so to speak.....

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Porsche is trying to protect its golden goose. Profit on cars sold in Australia is higher than in other countries apparently, so they don’t want to kill the golden goose

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15 hours ago, Dave986 said:

This is about resale protection and losses in the value of the financed fleet.

I'd imagine this is largely valid... it would potentially be a substantial write down to their asset balance, yet the liability will remain the same, that is a potential big shift in the debt/equity position for Porsche financial services. 

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Stuff happens- take the write down - it won’t be material in the WW financials for VAG.  Move to a lower tax environment and start selling more cars as a result.  Again the govt didn’t give a Mack truck when they brought this crap in, so why dance around it.   Talk about forgetting who the customer really is here.   Porsche could easily eat some losses and keep its customer base by adding 10% bonus to tradeins for 6 months.  They’d make it back from increased sales and actually show some customer service.

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Coastr said:

Stuff happens- take the write down - it won’t be material in the WW financials for VAG.  Move to a lower tax environment and start selling more cars as a result.  Again the govt didn’t give a Mack truck when they brought this crap in, so why dance around it.   Talk about forgetting who the customer really is here.   Porsche could easily eat some losses and keep its customer base by adding 10% bonus to tradeins for 6 months.  They’d make it back from increased sales and actually show some customer service.

Oh I hear you, my comments are purely are from an observatory perspective, I couldn't give 2 shits what they do to implement it, it doesn't affect me. :lol: 

And we know VAG are no stranger to being creative with numeracy.... #dieselgate 

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