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  On Thursday a customer emailed Sean & I a copy of 8 page list that was complied by Porsche Cars Australia in 2004 of the front engine'd Porsche cars officially imported by Porsche Cars Australia from 1976 to 1995 inclusive

It gives some interesting details on the numbers imported per year model & engine and Vin Prefix and the very interesting bit is the major changes from the previous year model , be it the 924 , 931 , 944 , 944S , 944S2 , 951 , 968 , 928 , 928S , 928S4 , GT , GTS

Note } NA = Normally Aspirated
Note } 931 = 924 Turbo
Note } 951 = 944 Turbo

For example }

924 , the 1976 year model = 1 imported
924 , the 1977 year model = 175 imported ( this is here for comparison )

931 year model 1979 = Aprox 2 imported ( it literally says "Aprox " )
931 year model 1980 ( A ) = 66 imported ( this is here for comparison )

944 , 2.5NA ( 8 valve ) , year model 1986 ( G ) = 140 imported
944 , 2.5NA ( 8 valve ) , year model 1987 ( H ) = 1 imported
944S , 2.5 NA ( 16 Valve ) , year model 1987 ( H ) = 2 imported
944S ,2.5 NA ( 16 Valve ) , year model 1988 ( J ) = 39 imported

951 , 2,5 Turbo ( 8 valve )  , year model 1986 ( G ) = 110 imported
951 , 2.5 Turbo ( 8 valve )  , year model 1987 ( H ) = 0 ( Nill imported )
951 , 2.5 Turbo ( 8 valve )  , year model 1988 ( J ) = 25 imported
951 , 2.5L Turbo ( 8 valve ) , year model 1989 ( K ) = 38 imported  ( Turbo S variant ) but no badge saying S
951 , 2.5L Turbo ( 8 valve ) , yesr model 1990 ( L ) = 15 imported

944S2 , 3.0L ( 16 Valve ) ,year model 1989 ( K ) = 51 imported
944S2 , 3.0L ( 16 Valve ) , year model 1989 ( K ) = 26 imported ( Cabriolet Version )
944S2 , 3.0L ( 16 valve ) , year model 1990 ( L )  = 71 imported
944S2 , 3.0L ( 16 valve ) , year model 1990 ( L )  = 52 imported ( Cabriolet )
944S2 , 3.0L ( 16Valve ) , year model 1991 ( M ) = 6 imported
944S2 , 3.0L ( 16 Valve ), year model 1991 ( M ) = 2 imported ( Cabriolet Version )

968 ,3.0L NA ( 16 valve ) , year model 1992 ( N ) = 35 imported ( this is the normal 968 coupe )
968 , 3.0L NA ( 16 valve , year model 1992 ( N )  =  5  ( Cabriolet )
968 ,3.0L NA ( 16valve ) , year model 1993 ( P ) = 6 imported ( this is the normal 968 coupe )
968 ,3.0L NA ( 16valve ) , year model 1993 ( P ) = 5 imported ( Cabriolet Version )
968 ,3.0L NA ( 16 valve ) , year model 1993 ( P ) = 19 imported  ( 968 CS in either Non M030 , M384 , M385  or with those M codes ) = no breakdown on the numbers
968 ,3.0L NA ( 16valve ) , year model 1994 ( R )  = 27 imported ( this is the normal 968 coupe )
968, 3.0L NA ( 16 valve ), year model 1995 ( S )  = 10 imported ( 968 CS in either Non M030 , M 384 , M 385 or with those M codes or with M 383 , M 387 )= no breakdown on the numbers

928 , 4.5 year model 1978 = 9 imported
928 , 4.5 , year model 1979 = 57 imported
928S4   5.0L ( 32valve ) 1989 = 101 imported ( this is here for comparison )
928S4   5.0L ( 32 valve ) 1991 = 7 imported
928 GT  5.0L ( 32 valve ) 1991 = 2 imported

928GTS 5.4L ( 32 valve ) 1992 year model = 7 imported
928GTS 5.4L ( 32 valve ) 1992 year model = 1 imported ( manual Trans )
928GTS 5.4L ( 32 valve) 1993 year model = 14 imported
928GTS 5.4L ( 32 valve ) 1993 year model = 1 imported ( manual trans )
928GTS 5.4L ( 32 valve ) 1994 year model =  21 imported
928GTS 5.4L ( 32 valve ) 1994 year model = 1 imported ( manual trans )
928 GTS 5.4L ( 32 valve ) 1995 year model = 14 imported
928GTS 5.4L ( 32 valve ) 1995 year model =  1 imported ( manual trans

The above is just a brief list of the one's I found interesting , mainly in relation to how rare some Porsche year models are

Now to some interesting notes printed by Porsche Cars Australia on this list in the far right hand column , concerning the differences as compared to the year model before

The following will interest quite a few people who owns a 928GTS ( 1992 - 1995 ) in relation to the Porsche Club Concourse ( different states ) held each year here in Australia concerning what RADIO / Cassette / CD player that was imported with the car & officially imported by Porsche Cars Australia

Porsche 928GTS 1992 , the notes state } Blaupunkt Symphony Radio ( that's all is says )

Porsche 928 GTS 1993 ( unchanged )

Porsche 928 GTS 1994 , the notes state } Blaupunkt London Radio / CD player

Porsche 928 GTS 1995 ( unchanged )


Regards
Bruce Buchanan
Buchanan Automotive

 

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Great info Bruce, 

Any chance of scanning the doc. I'm especially interested in the number of imports per year.

Steve

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Bruce your contributions are always valued greatly here.

You seem to be quite a gentleman, and I find that very valuable.

Cheers to you.

 

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It goes to show that rarity doesn't always dictate a high value.....the air cooled 911s are plentiful in comparison but the values are well north of some of these very rare water cooled cars.  Perhaps it's because the air cooled ones don't use water which is a limited resource and this is seen as being more environmentally conscious. 😋

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10 hours ago, jakroo said:

It goes to show that rarity doesn't always dictate a high value.....the air cooled 911s are plentiful in comparison but the values are well north of some of these very rare water cooled cars.  Perhaps it's because the air cooled ones don't use water which is a limited resource and this is seen as being more environmentally conscious. 😋

I think its more to do with the lack of knowledge on just how rare some of the Australian delivered ( new ) last century front engine d Porsche cars are , I have been working on Porsche cars for some 42 years & even I had no real idea just how rare some of these cars were , for example the one ( 1 ) 1987 ( H) year model  944 2.5 NA or even my 1993 year model 968 coupe ( 6 ) imported and sold new in Australia , I had no idea that the numbers were so low , I knew that the 1991 944S2 was rare , so much so I was surprised that there was 6 of them imported officially , I have only seen ( 1 ) and that was when it was new on the showroom floor back at SVM & never ever seen or head of another Australian delivered 1991 944S2 since

The 1991 ( M) 944S2 Cabrio , two ( 2 ) were imported officially or even the 1987 ( H ) 944S , same thing , only ( 2 ) officially imported , I knew there were some imported , we even sold a new 1987 944S  ( in 1987 ) , but I never thought there was just 2 of them for the whole of Australia

It reminds me ( in some respects ) in 1989 , we ( SVM / Porsche dealership I worked at ) sold 2 ( at least )  x 911 speedsters narrow body ( 3.2 speedster narrow body ) , at the time we just thought these must be as common as anything , but later I leaned just how rare a 1989 R/H/D 3.2 speedster was in narrow body & yes we ( SVM ) sold a few more wide body speedsters ( they were more expensive naturally )

Once more people find out the rarity ( just takes time ) I think people will realize   

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So 22 928 GTS in total, and 2 928 GTs

Rare beasts indeed.  Is there some type of registry?  I know a couple of members here have some, are they part of this original set?

 

Crazy when you think that even a highly expensive car like a gt3rs or similar probably outsells what the 928 did back in the day.  I mean a 928 GTS was a very expensive thing in the early 90s.

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1 hour ago, Coastr said:

So 22 928 GTS in total, and 2 928 GTs

Rare beasts indeed.  Is there some type of registry?  I know a couple of members here have some, are they part of this original set?

 

Crazy when you think that even a highly expensive car like a gt3rs or similar probably outsells what the 928 did back in the day.  I mean a 928 GTS was a very expensive thing in the early 90s.

Only one year of the GT is shown (were made from 89 to 91), maybe more came in?

From PCA 116 928S were sold for my model year 1983, goes to show the large drop off in sales numbers later in the 928s life. From what I see it was the same all over the world. 

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On 18/03/2019 at 15:01, Coastr said:

So 22 928 GTS in total, and 2 928 GTs

Rare beasts indeed.  Is there some type of registry?  I know a couple of members here have some, are they part of this original set?

 

Crazy when you think that even a highly expensive car like a gt3rs or similar probably outsells what the 928 did back in the day.  I mean a 928 GTS was a very expensive thing in the early 90s.

I just added the 1994 & 1995 year models 928GTS numbers imported , there seems to be interest in this section

You have to remember some very important factors , " Massive Interest Rates " was the important one from 1991 to about 1994 / 1995  interest rates on everything  , be it a mortgage ( 18.25%+ ) or worst still a lease package on a car ( 29% + ) was out of control & that's why car companies selling expensive cars in that era ( be it here or UK or Europe or USA ) the sales were getting lower and lower , there were few customers who could afford the massive interest rates on the car lease packages , with the sales slipping badly ( no fault of the car companies ) car dealerships had to change brands to stay afloat , like here in Sydney , John Newell Porsche ( Sydney )  handed back their Porsche dealership license / agreement  and went off to sell Mazda to stay afloat , I would of done the same , Porsche Cars Australia had to change owners , things were that bad 

Also fully imported European cars then ( 1970's , 1980's , 1990's ) were all way over taxed and over priced here in Australia and made worse for Porsche by the overheads of low volume manufacturing in that era & only making sports cars , When things went financially bad for Porsche in 1995 , among other restructuring  they recognized that higher volumes were the key to financial stability in the future , enter the Cayenne & the Macan for this century ,   volume / increased sales numbers is everything

As a side note ,  I just pulled out of my archive of the officail price lists ( printed by Porsche Cars Australia ) for the 1987 year model

 Price Guide is Dated  April 1987 ( 32 years ago )  , here are some prices from the price guide }

944 NA  Basic Price   = $ 100,928 as a manual and $ 104,563 for the Auto trans version
Some options }
Metallic Paint                     =   $ 1,700
Partial leather seats          =  $ 1,464
Full leather seats  F & R    =  $ 5,219
Power seat ( passenger )  = $ 1,738
Power seat ( drivers )         =$ 1,161
Cruise control                      = $ 1,087
Lumber support ( drivers ) = $1,249
Sunroof                                 =$ 2,920
LSD                                        =$ 2,039
Fuchs Forged 16" wheels  = $ 5,899
ABS                                       = $ 5,885

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944S  2.5L 16v ,  manual trans only   = $ 110,211

Option prices are the same as above

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944 Turbo ( 951 )           = $ 135,345  & remember for Australia this was the 1986 year model 951

Options prices are the same as above except for }

External Transmission oil cooler    = $ 775

Note } ABS not an option as this was the 1986 model 951 ( not a 1987 model which had ABS as standard )

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911 Carrera , Basic Price $ 134,822 ( coupe ), $ 140,848 ( Targa ) , $ 155,141 ( Cabrio )

Some Options  }

Metallic Paint                                          = $ 2,122
All leather front & rear seats                 = $ 3,150
All Leather interior ( coupe & Targa )  = $ 4,193
Turbo Look                                              = $ 40,438  ( that is not a misprint )
Electric seat ( passenger )                    = $ 1,738
Electric seat ( Drivers )                          = $ 1,161
Lumber support ( Drivers seat )           = $ 1,249
Electric Sunroof ( coupe )                     = $ 3,430
LSD                                                          = $ 2,039
15"  Fuchs forged wheels                     =$ 3,106
16" Fuchs forged wheels                      =$ 4,960


Note } Turbo Look was the factory option that meant you were buying a 911 turbo , but with the 3.2 NA engine and transmission , meaning the

turbo body / guards / suspension / brakes / wheels / spoilers / leather interior etc etc

Note 2 }  ABS was not available , had to wait until the 964 model in the 1990 year model for that

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928S4  manual or Automatic                          = $ 202,954
Metallic paint                                                     = $ 2,528
Paint colour to sample                                     = $ 4,806
Leather interior with leather belt                    = $ 3,561
Full leather interior ( including roof lining  ) = $ 8,769
Electric seats                                                     = standard
Full leather seats front & rear                         = standard
Seat & mirror position memory                     = $ 1,694
LSD                                                                     = $ 2,039
Fuchs forged wheels                                       = standard
Brembo brakes ( medium blacks on front ) = standard 
ABS                                                                      = standard
Sports seats with electric height ( fronts )    = no charge

Note } ABS was standard from the previous model ( 1986 928s )

Note 2 } ABS was available as an option from the 1984 year model 928s

The above prices are just for the 1987 model range for Australia only



 

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How many 968 manual coupes were delivered to Oz in total (non clubsport and clubsport??)

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So a 928S4 with options was $220k+ in 1987.....holy crap, what was a commodore back then, $15k?  Wow........combine that price with massive interest rates and it's no wonder sales faltered.

928 GTS manual is a rare bird, 4 in total, 1 imported each year from '92 to '95 (cf nearly 60 autos in the same period).  If you have one of those, hang onto it until this news becomes well known!  That must be one of the rarest P cars of all? Good luck finding a clutch kit at your local Repco 🤔

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On 16/03/2019 at 11:14, Buchanan Automotive said:

  On Thursday a customer emailed Sean & I a copy of 8 page list that was complied by Porsche Cars Australia in 2004 of the front engine'd Porsche cars officially imported by Porsche Cars Australia from 1976 to 1995 inclusive

It gives some interesting details on the numbers imported per year model & engine and Vin Prefix and the very interesting bit is the major changes from the previous year model , be it the 924 , 931 , 944 , 944S , 944S2 , 951 , 968 , 928 , 928S , 928S4 , GT , GTS

Note } NA = Normally Aspirated
Note } 931 = 924 Turbo
Note } 951 = 944 Turbo

For example }


944 , 2.5NA ( 8 valve ) , year model 1986 ( G ) = 140 imported
944 , 2.5NA ( 8 valve ) , year model 1987 ( H ) = 1 imported
944S , 2.5 NA ( 16 Valve ) , year model 1987 ( H ) = 2 imported
944S ,2.5 NA ( 16 Valve ) , year model 1988 ( J ) = 39 imported

 

Do you know if there is more history on this? I would be intersted in getting more info on the 87 import if there is any. 

Thanks, 

Z. 

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4 hours ago, Buchanan Automotive said:

I remember back in 1987 or 1988 at the Porsche dealership ( Sydney ) we sold a new 911 cabriolet  with Turbo Look and other options and that car was over $ 200,000 + on road costs ( then )

Our first house (Victorian heritage) in a nice suburb overlooking Hobart cbd cost $67,500 in 1986.
So the same house is now around $750k. A 944 seemed quite expensive back then and pretty cheap now!

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12 minutes ago, tazzieman said:

Our first house (Victorian heritage) in a nice suburb overlooking Hobart cbd cost $67,500 in 1986.
So the same house is now around $750k. A 944 seemed quite expensive back then and pretty cheap now!

Back then you would not have been able to buy a single Porsche for your house value, now you could buy a few.... despite how it feels, cars are way more affordable now......

But then again real-estate prices have gone mental in the last few years (decade) in Tasmania!! And still climbing!!

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1 hour ago, Zacc said:

Do you know if there is more history on this? I would be intersted in getting more info on the 87 import if there is any. 

Thanks, 

Z. 

Hi Zacc , is you're 944 a grey import , meaning was it delivered new in the UK or HK or is it an Australian delivered 944

Does you VIN look like this } WP0ZZZ94ZHN420001   to     49999        = 944

Or                                              WP0ZZZ94ZHN400001     to   1999          = 944S

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1 hour ago, ANF said:

.But then again real-estate prices have gone mental in the last few years (decade) in Tasmania!! And still climbing!!

I lived through the 18% interest rates era! Food was a luxury I tell ya.

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The real estate prices are directly related to the historically low interest rates right now.   One day it will all end in tears, but not any day soon I suspect.

Oh to be a debt free off grid hermit with a gold mine in the backyard...

As for the 944 - it's surprising they sold as many as they did given it was developed as a budget sports car for other parts of the world.  In the US during the mid 80s there were a ~$30k car.   Tough sell at over $100k for something slower than much of the competition.

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Interestingly , in Australia in 1982 ( the first model 944 ) they were around $ 42,000 or $43,000 ( with no options ) , but remember these early 944 models came with NO A/C , no power steering , no power seats , early 924 interior etc etc , very different car the 944 became from model year 1986 on wards & the price went up from 1986 because of the more standard options , even the cars frame / floor was different from 1986

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15 minutes ago, Coastr said:

The real estate prices are directly related to the historically low interest rates right now.   One day it will all end in tears, but not any day soon I suspect.

Oh to be a debt free off grid hermit with a gold mine in the backyard...

As for the 944 - it's surprising they sold as many as they did given it was developed as a budget sports car for other parts of the world.  In the US during the mid 80s there were a ~$30k car.   Tough sell at over $100k for something slower than much of the competition.

Maybe for the North Island, but Tassie never follows the "trends" when it comes to Real estate. Our prices were ridiculously low for decades and then all of a sudden caught up (about 2005 +/-) and have continued to climb ever since, it is clearly a sellers market here right now, seriously tempted to sell and build again.....

USA 718 Cayman in the $50s, in Aus over $120.... not much has changed......

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7 minutes ago, Buchanan Automotive said:

Interestingly , in Australia in 1982 ( the first model 944 ) they were around $ 42,000 or $43,000 ( with no options ) , but remember these early 944 models came with NO A/C , no power steering , no power seats , early 924 interior etc etc , very different car the 944 became from model year 1986 on wards & the price went up from 1986 because of the more standard options , even the cars frame / floor was different from 1986

On 12 December 1983, the Australian Labor government led by Prime Minister Bob Hawke and Treasurer Paul Keating floated the dollar, with the exchange rate reflecting the balance of payments and other market drivers.

It went from about $1.20 US to .77 US in the space of 2 years.

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Hmmm - I remember living in UK in early '70s when the Aussie $ was equal value to the UK Pound, briefly. I was young & stupid and actually bought money back to Australia; that money was lost when we had to pay 18% on our home loan!!!! 

It was also when my mate bought his new 911RS from Hamiltons on Tourist Delivery & picked it up from the Factory. Happy days as he charged through the low-countries like the Wehrmacht in 1940 - being chased by lesser Police vehicles as he "ran the borders" to get to safe haven in UK. Money wise, he wasnt stupid like me.

Edit: Back in Melbourne he bought a 944 to run around in (instead of the 911 RS). So now I realise that he must have been wealthier than I thought, or maybe he just  leased the 944.

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