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Didn’t realise a 992 was so quick.  A 992 C2S is faster round the ring than a 997 GT2, 991 GT3 and 991 Turbo S..............Is the 992 an all rounder suitable for comfortable daily driver and weekend track warrior?  Is lapping one a 992 as much fun as a GT3?  And what does this mean for 992 GT3 - Porsche will need to step it up to maintain relevance?  And how fast is “fast enough”.

amazing.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Nürburgring_Nordschleife_lap_times

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Have you driven a 992 Doug? I have, beautiful car but not in the same league as a GT3 in the "fun factor"

GT3, even a GT4 is way more fun.

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No I haven’t, I imagine a bit sterile, quiet and comfortable by comparison.  Like booting a Tesla off the line.  Fast but yawn.

Don’t worry I’m not about to buy a 992.  I was just astonished that a Carrera is now faster than a GT2 , GT3 and Turbo S.....😲. I get it for 0-100 with PDK and electronic trickery but around a track, wow.

Presumably the 992 GT3 will be a beast to maintain the pecking order.  Hopefully all those with 991.2 GT3 manuals trade up concurrently and prices plummet.....for a short time until I buy in 😂

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Looks to me that the 992 is considerably slower than a 991.2 GT3 or 991.2 Turbo S so I doubt the 992 versions will be threatened by the C2S even if the advancement over 991.2 is only small. 

 

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8 hours ago, Redracn said:

Looks to me that the 992 is considerably slower than a 991.2 GT3 or 991.2 Turbo S so I doubt the 992 versions will be threatened by the C2S even if the advancement over 991.2 is only small. 

 

Fair point, these 3 are 13s a lap faster than a 992.  And it’s clear each generation goes faster so 992 GT3 will be no exception I’m sure.

Having said that it’s all pretty academic, 13s is only a 2.8% difference in times.  I’d struggle to string 2 laps together within 3% anyway.  So it comes down to seat of the pants feel as opposed to outright times so GT3 for the win 👌🏻

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:17 Porsche 911Turbo S (991.2) Christian Gebhardt 2018 Sport Auto (3/2018), Pirelli P Zero Corsa 'N0', OEM 'Aerokit'.[92][93]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997.2) Timo Kluck 2010 Porsche conducted test, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 'N2'.[94][95]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18 Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2) Christian Gebhardt June 2017 Sport Auto (7/2017), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'N1', PDK, bucket seat and harness.[96][97]

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3 hours ago, DJM said:

Fair point, these 3 are 13s a lap faster than a 992.  And it’s clear each generation goes faster so 992 GT3 will be no exception I’m sure.

Having said that it’s all pretty academic, 13s is only a 2.8% difference in times.  I’d struggle to string 2 laps together within 3% anyway.  So it comes down to seat of the pants feel as opposed to outright times so GT3 for the win 👌🏻

20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:17 Porsche 911Turbo S (991.2) Christian Gebhardt 2018 Sport Auto (3/2018), Pirelli P Zero Corsa 'N0', OEM 'Aerokit'.[92][93]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18 Porsche 911 GT2 RS (997.2) Timo Kluck 2010 Porsche conducted test, Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 'N2'.[94][95]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:18 Porsche 911 GT3 (991.2) Christian Gebhardt June 2017 Sport Auto (7/2017), Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 'N1', PDK, bucket seat and harness.[96][97]

Probably best to only compare times from the same organisations. In this case Porsche has the 991.2 GT3 at 7:12.7 and the 992C2S at 7:25  

You will notice that independent tests are always slower than Factory ones for various reasons like the factory driver having way way more seat time and the car being set up to their liking so they have more confidence in it.  Also the Factory test drivers are very good as are al lot of the very top race drivers at doing times that are almost identical. In this case I would expect driver contribution to variance to be less than second/lap.

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So far I have spent two days in a 992 with Porsche at the Nordschleife and two days at the Porsche factory track at Leipzig and I can tell you it is a very, very competent car on track. Certainly not as quick as a GT3, but not that far away. Indeed, in a straight line and out of some corners, it’s quicker but does not brake as well or carry the same amount of corner speed as a GT3. As an all rounder, IMO, it’s unmatched. I am very much looking forward to the 992 GT3 and the GTS. Especially the latter which promises to be a weapon if the C2s is anything to go by.

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On 07/02/2020 at 10:20, WGA said:

As an all rounder, IMO, it’s unmatched

Sure the 992 Carrera S is not a GT car, but as you say, what a great all round road car

Disappointing to hear the recent decision to not offer it to Aus in Manual.

Interesting to see the results of the Motor Trend 2019 Best Drivers car:

 

 

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I assumed the answer, spared the time and went to 26:00 and yes, it's what it should be of course.

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56 minutes ago, Troubleshooter said:

I assumed the answer, spared the time and went to 26:00 and yes, it's what it should be of course.

It's not about the destination, it's all about the drive :P

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10 hours ago, luzzo said:

Sure the 992 Carrera S is not a GT car, but as you say, what a great all round road car

Disappointing to hear the recent decision to not offer it to Aus in Manual.

Interesting to see the results of the Motor Trend 2019 Best Drivers car:

 

 

That Hellcat is mental 

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7 hours ago, wilson59 said:

That Hellcat is mental 

Yep! I think I need to own one one day ..

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They look menacing those Hellcats.  Shared a hack day at Phillip Island last summer with one.  Very quick in a straight line.  Almost off the track at every corner!!!   New corvette might also be shaping up as an interesting proposition.  

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