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15 minutes ago, Essay said:

Police SOP’s need to be amended to prevent a reoccurrence of such an incident.  Way too much to distract the ‘average’ driver, especially on a multiple lane freeway.  Escort him off freeway to the nearest off ramp.  Thoughts?

Agree, my son and i have been talking about this and we both thought that if you did a risk assessment in any other industry on pulling over a car and standing in the lane talking to the driver, it would not happen. Yet we see this constantly. Ok, we have the slow down laws and 40kmh rule on most roads for the cops which may help in suburban roads, on a freeway or 100kmh road this is too dangerous. By the time you come up on these stationary vehicles on a freeway doing 110kmh you are almost on top of them then have the presence of mind to remember the slowdown law, what is it again, 80, 90kmh on a freeway? Maybe something will change after this tragedy, i know nothing will stop a careless semi-trailer driver from plowing into someone in the breakdown lane though.

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25 minutes ago, Essay said:

Police SOP’s need to be amended to prevent a reoccurrence of such an incident.  Way too much to distract the ‘average’ driver, especially on a multiple lane freeway.  Escort him off freeway to the nearest off ramp.  Thoughts?

Yes.  Though I suppose there was a risk of doing a runner.  Maybe they need to leave one car 100m back to be hit by anyone not paying attention.   Or prioritise putting the driver in the back of a cop car and getting to a safe place before talking.  
 

TBH freeway or no freeway this type of stop on the side of the road is risky no matter where.

As for meth - for the life of me I don’t understand why people ever think giving it a try is a good idea.  Even if I was a cashed up crook I would never go there.  I see meth heads on the street - not pretty.  Surely there are better ways to spend your ill gotten cash.

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NSW has a newish rule.

Flashing emergency lights ahead, slow to 40. Which is super dangerous to attempt. It relies on the first drivers to come across them to slow gradually. 

Someone panics with the gaps typical on multiple lanes and there's more trouble. 

Advanced warnings for road works drop speed in 20k increments at set to speed distances apart. 

The first notice is 2klm from the intended safe site.

These established methods work. If the traffic comply at each new zone. Mind you these equations have been done considering vehicle's traveling at the recommended distance apart. Sooo

But you get the rat runners with attitude that break the necessary flow rate. If you get too many of them it blocks flow to a stop, which tends to happen more at peaks.

Motorway management have temporary emergency set ups to give advance warning but it's still slow to implement. Even when it is employed drivers tend to zoom by because they have no power to inforce.

If you could get motorists to follow at the recommended distance as a practice, an emergency site would be a gazillion times safer. Well, everyone would be.

In fact it's worth noting that pavement per sqm is what it is at the location you're in att. You know, can't fit beyond capacity. Dining table in the bathroom.

Even if it is safer to do traffic stops after a diversion that still doesn't answer how to safely attend any other emergency. But I rekon it'll be considered or already has likely. 

Imagine if we all traveled the correct distance, panel shops would suffer. 😂

There's a gift we could give. 

 

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 In SA, we have a 25kph limit when passing emergency vehicles parked up. Now I'm all for speed limits with such, but not the 25kph and on a bloody freeway! That us just asking for trouble and HAS happened on the freeway out of Adelaide.

 It has happened to me where I've slowed to 25 only to have someone who either hasnt seen the emergency vehicle from the opposing lane (which is well in the realms of possiblity) be locked up and nearly causing a huge accident at 100kph. I've been chastised online about it before from emergency workers (including a friend) and others when I say, especially the police just pulling someone over for a fine or anything but an accident, it is just asking for trouble. The top cops and government can say all they like that people need to be more attentive on the road, yet some AREN'T, and are oblivious to anyone else on the road except for themselves, and they're the ones who cause these types of avoidable accidents, and also those who are rubber necking. Get them off the freeway and do whatever you like in a safe environment for the protection of those who look after us in times of need

 

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I was about 1km back on the freeway from a bloke on foot who got hit by a ute going approximately 110km/hr. There were at least 3 parts of him spread over 100m. Blood everywhere. At that speed you just kind of explode. The bloke was trying to retrieve a ladder that had been dropped in the 3rd lane on Sydney's M4. No $200 ladder is worth your life.

I don't envy anyone who has to work our roads. One of the most dangerous jobs there is.

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I have always felt that a pullup  on the freeway should be if a cop comes up behind you and you are in he left lane  you pull off at the next exit, and if you don`t due to insolence or stupidity, you lose your licence for 12 months, it wouldn`t be hard to implement with advertising in multiple languages.

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If police knew who they we're pulling up?

Drugs, guns, alcohol, bank robber or soccer mum?

Imagine diverting pusshead into the burbs. He'd kill kids.

There are looooads of people on meth. I can pick em now I've seen so much of it.

It's a monster maker primarily. Removes human empathy. No biggy, just the thing that weaves the fabric of society. 

 

A system of advanced warning control measures and public compliance is the holy grail.

You can't assess all the risk out of life though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On 23/04/2020 at 16:37, nytelfer said:

Sadly, the driver of the 911 Turbo is known in the Porsche community but has been using a different name in recent years.

Name him please.

16 hours ago, Redracn said:

No doubt this guy is an Ahole scum but I think the media pile on is way over the top. As the car was being impounded and by the timeline given it was already in the possession/control of Vic Police so the serious charge of a driver leaving the scene of a fatality is probably not going to fly.  They have thrown the book at him but I expect a good lawyer will get him off on a lot of the charges even the speeding one. The situation is pretty much unprecedented so what is the correct/legal thing to do. 
This has a long way to run and the courts will sort it out as it should be and hopefully without any help/bias from the media. 

Sadly I agree.

2 hours ago, DJM said:

I had to change a right rear tyre on Eastlink, got way off onto the grass but it was alarming, felt very unsafe.  Next time I’ll get off an exit even if I ruin the rim.

Yes.  I never ever stay in the emergency lane.  I crawl up the bank.

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3 hours ago, Essay said:

Police SOP’s need to be amended to prevent a reoccurrence of such an incident.  Way too much to distract the ‘average’ driver, especially on a multiple lane freeway.  Escort him off freeway to the nearest off ramp.  Thoughts?

I agree with this. Even the distraction issue is enough, but having cars pass by you at freeway speed when parked on the shoulder or emergency lane, leaves very little margin for safety. 

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4 hours ago, Essay said:

Police SOP’s need to be amended to prevent a reoccurrence of such an incident.  Way too much to distract the ‘average’ driver, especially on a multiple lane freeway.  Escort him off freeway to the nearest off ramp.  Thoughts?

I dare say they will look at this and it makes a lot of sense to escort them to the nearest safe stopping place. They could even build them as a feature on major freeways so drivers know where to go for a chat. Then there is the issue of country roads and freeways with the installation of shredders or so called safety barriers as some are so close to the left shoulder that you can not get safety off. Then add in undulations and blind corners and you are looking for trouble just stopping wherever.

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3 hours ago, LeeM said:

 In SA, we have a 25kph limit when passing emergency vehicles parked up. Now I'm all for speed limits with such, but not the 25kph and on a bloody freeway! That us just asking for trouble and HAS happened on the freeway out of Adelaide.

 It has happened to me where I've slowed to 25 only to have someone who either hasnt seen the emergency vehicle from the opposing lane (which is well in the realms of possiblity) be locked up and nearly causing a huge accident at 100kph. I've been chastised online about it before from emergency workers (including a friend) and others when I say, especially the police just pulling someone over for a fine or anything but an accident, it is just asking for trouble. The top cops and government can say all they like that people need to be more attentive on the road, yet some AREN'T, and are oblivious to anyone else on the road except for themselves, and they're the ones who cause these types of avoidable accidents, and also those who are rubber necking. Get them off the freeway and do whatever you like in a safe environment for the protection of those who look after us in times of need

 

The 25 km/h rule is just plain dangerous. That rule puts emergency workers in the line of danger as well as the public .

iIt can work in built up areas going from 60 to 25 just but on the freeway in traffic no way 

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Definitely need cars to slow when around emergency services, but until everyone complies it creates even more danger!

When the 40km/hr rule was first introduced here in Vic I nearly got overrun by a semi! Was the Hume fwy coming back from the snow with my brother and niece in my car.

Car passed at Mach 2 shortly followed by a police car which finally stopped on the verge of the right lane. I was in the left lane, straight section of road at night with only the truck a long distance behind.

I slowed right down to 40km/hr and the truck quickly closed the gap with the 60-70km/hr differential...

I realised he wasn't slowing even with me pumping the brake to make it more visible I had slowed, so I planted the right foot. Even then he swerved and blasted past me on the right will his hand firmly on the horn for good measure.

Even will light traffic and clear sightlines there is a huge risk!

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3 hours ago, Redracn said:

I dare say they will look at this and it makes a lot of sense to escort them to the nearest safe stopping place. They could even build them as a feature on major freeways so drivers know where to go for a chat. Then there is the issue of country roads and freeways with the installation of shredders or so called safety barriers as some are so close to the left shoulder that you can not get safety off. Then add in undulations and blind corners and you are looking for trouble just stopping wherever.

not quite the same scenario but racq does this already- on toll roads like the gateway the private towing companies are instructed to take a broken down car to the nearest petrol station off an exit for racq to do the pick up/assistance from there.

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5 hours ago, StevepGT3 said:

I have always felt that a pullup  on the freeway should be if a cop comes up behind you and you are in he left lane  you pull off at the next exit, and if you don`t due to insolence or stupidity, you lose your licence for 12 months, it wouldn`t be hard to implement with advertising in multiple languages.

Steve is onto it. 12 months and $5000 fine for not complying. The message is police stop you usual way then without leaving the car police park in front,, loud speaker tells you "windows down", "follow police in emergency lane 60kph until told to park". with a visual of it all with the car following the police until they stop. In reality the cops do the pull over and loudspeaker and then drive to the next safe shoulder, parking bay, rest area, safe area they detect, or next exit ramp then side shoulder or side road or side street. 

These days most of the time they have the data of the registered owner before they pull you over. When pulled up if the idiot stays in the car and doesn't move or gets out of car etc, cop has to get out, photograph driver and liscence from the left side of car, tells the idiot the direction, then hops back in and leads the idiot along. If idiot takes off chase as usual or let them go and follow up with a visit to the registered address etc etc. 

Not foolproof of course but way better than having cars whizzing past at 40, 60, 100  all slowing down for a look or following what should be a 60 kph slow down rule on a 100 or 110kph highway while everyone is banking up around the incident.

And onto the abhorrent c#nt Richard Pussy with absolutely no morals and the brainless f#ckhead crackpiping truck driver with no common sense, can we have corporal punishment as well as custodial? 50 lashes each - with a bunch of razor wire …..  around their useless heads

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Anybody wondered why the 911 was commercial registered in Qld?

Could be because you can drive like a total dick past every speed camera and get off. When the large fine arrives you don't name the driver so no points accrued.

Probably don't pay the fine either.

Doesn't help when you actually get stopped though.

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21 minutes ago, Troubleshooter said:

Steve is onto it. 12 months and $5000 fine for not complying. The message is police stop you usual way then without leaving the car police park in front,, loud speaker tells you "windows down", "follow police in emergency lane 60kph until told to park". with a visual of it all with the car following the police until they stop. In reality the cops do the pull over and loudspeaker and then drive to the next safe shoulder, parking bay, rest area, safe area they detect, or next exit ramp then side shoulder or side road or side street. 

These days most of the time they have the data of the registered owner before they pull you over. When pulled up if the idiot stays in the car and doesn't move or gets out of car etc, cop has to get out, photograph driver and liscence from the left side of car, tells the idiot the direction, then hops back in and leads the idiot along. If idiot takes off chase as usual or let them go and follow up with a visit to the registered address etc etc. 

Not foolproof of course but way better than having cars whizzing past at 40, 60, 100  all slowing down for a look or following what should be a 60 kph slow down rule on a 100 or 110kph highway while everyone is banking up around the incident.

And onto the abhorrent c#nt Richard Pussy with absolutely no morals and the brainless f#ckhead crackpiping truck driver with no common sense, can we have corporal punishment as well as custodial? 50 lashes each - with a bunch of razor wire …..  around their useless heads

I used the freeway every day for 20 years and was always aghast at the stupidity of pulling over someone for doing a few kms over the limit, they would sit in the middle and light them up frightening the shit out of all and sundry to then put everyone in danger, including themselves by stopping in the emergency  lane, potential nose to tales everywhere 

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11 minutes ago, Troubleshooter said:

Yes I've seen stuff like that a few times and you drive past and think shit that's dangerous. It's all about to change now no doubt, pity it takes a disaster like this

Bet it doesn't, i hope it does, agree with all you said in your last post but putting all that into practice, i just can't see it happening. Can you imagine what the poor bastard that needs to write that procedure is going to say? You want me to put all that in a SOP?

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