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Well. a while ago I was interested in a new clutch kit/disk+bearing for my "project" and I realized that with everyone`s favorite Sachs it is a bit tricky.

Basically how I see this things - we have:

1. Basic Sachs clutch kit (pressure plate + disk + bearing) - 721.75 USD (at pelicanparts)

2. Sachs Power clutch (basically the same as above but aluminium pressure plate instead the cast iron one) - 898.25 USD (same source)

3. Mysterious Sachs Performance kit which consist of some kind of pressure plate and disk - 804.33 euro (from sachs performance official website minus VAT)

 

Did I miss something?

 

 

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1 hour ago, 81SC said:

No affiliation, check out Heritage Parts Centre from England. Their prices seem competitive compared to the usual USA suppliers.

I’ve been looking at their stuff since one of their guys posted on this site.

https://www.heritagepartscentre.com/au/91511691100-clutch-kit.html

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Really good price. 

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2 hours ago, Mike D'Silva said:

I know this isn't what you were asking, but I have been buying my clutch kits from James at Autohaus.. really competitive when you included overseas shipping and conversion rates. 

Yeah not really, but thank you, it`s good to know.

Apparently I have an access to a very good parts source with pretty good prices. Tried to figure things with the clutch kits to start with 

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On ‎07‎/‎06‎/‎2020 at 14:45, Cheshire Cat said:

Well. a while ago I was interested in a new clutch kit/disk+bearing for my "project" and I realized that with everyone`s favorite Sachs it is a bit tricky.

Basically how I see this things - we have:

1. Basic Sachs clutch kit (pressure plate + disk + bearing) - 721.75 USD (at pelicanparts)

2. Sachs Power clutch (basically the same as above but aluminium pressure plate instead the cast iron one) - 898.25 USD (same source)

3. Mysterious Sachs Performance kit which consist of some kind of pressure plate and disk - 804.33 euro (from sachs performance official website minus VAT)

 

Did I miss something?

 

 

A different P car (996) compared to your project, but for me, favourite Sachs depends on your" project" and primarily how much torque you expect to be  pumping out and can the clutch pressure plate hold the torque.  Below is the list of clutch parts for my project.   The clutch kit I chose was based around a Sachs pressure  plate that can hold up to 890nm of torque on paper.  All the other part numbers (second column ) are Porsche factory clutch part numbers spanning aircoooled and watercooled era's for my project.  The part numbers not in bold, were purchased as part of a clutch kit.  The rest of the parts are preventative maintenance, i.e. engine / gearbox dropped why not replace those parts getting closer to 20 years old in my case.

Re: Kit 1 vs Kit2 above, when you say basically the same, not convinced.  I would expect Kit 2 is rated to hold more torque than kit 1 as well as shedding a little bit of weight. Can't you look up the sach's part number (generally start with an 8) ,  in the kit and drill down on the specs, noting torque rating and that's probabaly driving the price differentials.

 

Clutch Master Cyclinder#1 99642317152
Circlip pressure Line#1a 99642361400
Cyclinder Bolt#1b 99642331506
Cyclinder safety clip for bolt#1c 99916602201
Hose clamp#9 99951253200
Moulded Hose#10 99742334451
Seal Ring#13 99970740340
Clutch Hose#15 99642337754
Hose clamp#17 99951255400
Hexagon Bolt #20 90037802901
Pentosin Fluid - 1000ML 00004330574
Pressure Accumulator 99731416600
Pressure Accumulator seal ring 99970722440
Sachs 764 clutch pressure plate (88.3082.999.764) 883082999764       
997GT3RS 4.0 clutch disc  99711601391
964 LWFW 96410223931
Flywheel bolts  92810215101
Pilot bearing  93110211100
Throwout bearing  94411608001
Guide tube #3 95011681330
Guide tube bolts #4  99927007001
Ring gear  96411414331
Pressure plate bolts 99951001502      
Cross shaft for release bearing fork#5 95011671004
Gasket 13,02 x 16.4  #6 99911341840
Articulated Bush #7 99920133901
Cover #8 95011672500
Articulated Bush #9 99920136501
Retaining bracket #10 95011671302
Heaxagon Head Bolt M6X16 #11 90007505703
Shaft Bush#12 95011671501
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23 minutes ago, smit2100 said:

Re: Kit 1 vs Kit2 above, when you say basically the same, not convinced.  I would expect Kit 2 is rated to hold more torque than kit 1 as well as shedding a little bit of weight. Can't you look up the sach's part number (generally start with an 😎 ,  in the kit and drill down on the specs, noting torque rating and that's probabaly driving the price differentials.

Well, that actually is the thing. When I was looking for this sort of information I stumbled pretty hard. I can`t find any torque capabilities of named kits whatsoever. The things I know for sure - the "normal" kit comes in parts, so you can order either the disk or the pp or bearing or all together, the "power clutch" kit comes only as a kit. But neither of those have any torque numbers.

On the other hand the Sachs Performance clutch kit names the torque handling - 420 Nm or so don`t remember. 

In my case I have a disk from an aftermarket clutch company named Action Clutch (6 puck sprung handling about 400+ Nm) so, we shall see...

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47 minutes ago, Cheshire Cat said:

Well, that actually is the thing. When I was looking for this sort of information I stumbled pretty hard. I can`t find any torque capabilities of named kits whatsoever. The things I know for sure - the "normal" kit comes in parts, so you can order either the disk or the pp or bearing or all together, the "power clutch" kit comes only as a kit. But neither of those have any torque numbers.

On the other hand the Sachs Performance clutch kit names the torque handling - 420 Nm or so don`t remember. 

In my case I have a disk from an aftermarket clutch company named Action Clutch (6 puck sprung handling about 400+ Nm) so, we shall see...

https://www.design911.com/Porsche/911-1965-1989/911-1974-83/Clutch-Kits--High-Performance/pt376_938_-cma81-cmo104-ct359/

Not sure what aircooled you have, but there are some tq numbers on this site with some sachs kits

 

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5 minutes ago, smit2100 said:

https://www.design911.com/Porsche/911-1965-1989/911-1974-83/Clutch-Kits--High-Performance/pt376_938_-cma81-cmo104-ct359/

Not sure what aircooled you have, but there are some tq numbers on this site with some sachs kits

 

yep, my bad, it`s 350 (and 320) Nm not 420

and it`s sachs performance, which is taken from here

https://www.sachsperformance.com/en/clutch-kit/performance-clutch-sachs/porsche-911/3-0-sc-carrera-154kw

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I am not sure which car you have with which mods but if a stock fitting, I would call James at Autohaus and give him your VIN and he will specify the exact parts you need. It can be a shot in the dark otherwise.

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2 hours ago, Merv said:

I am not sure which car you have with which mods but if a stock fitting, I would call James at Autohaus and give him your VIN and he will specify the exact parts you need. It can be a shot in the dark otherwise.

Yeah nah, I'm all sorted, as mentioned before. I was trying to figure a few detail about the kits, but seems like not so many people digging into this that deep. 

 

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