911Gbanger Posted 22October, 2020 Report Share Posted 22October, 2020 Hi guys, Thinking of purchasing this for my 964 C2 I’m wanting to slowly replace the tired old steering components. Thinking this would be a good upgrade. https://www.elephantracing.com/porsche/964/tie-rods-for-964/ What do you guys think of it ? 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 22October, 2020 Report Share Posted 22October, 2020 A thought To ponder sir, if the components are tired Old and worn... (sounds like you describing a best mate of mine) , then don’t dally dilly, get stuck in like @tk111 and replace all with alacrity yet calm process driven demeanour. one of the best solutions aside from losing gut weight to improve porsche driving characteristics, fresh steering and suspension. is your 964 slammed and scraping ? Bump steer kit can be worthwhile either with the tweaked tie rods or the rack spacer. that aside it’s always good at beginning, mid and end of a PFA brethren, run to skite about ones underpinnings.. ER make pretty stuff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911Gbanger Posted 23October, 2020 Author Report Share Posted 23October, 2020 2 hours ago, michel said: A thought To ponder sir, if the components are tired Old and worn... (sounds like you describing a best mate of mine) , then don’t dally dilly, get stuck in like @tk111 and replace all with alacrity yet calm process driven demeanour. one of the best solutions aside from losing gut weight to improve porsche driving characteristics, fresh steering and suspension. is your 964 slammed and scraping ? Bump steer kit can be worthwhile either with the tweaked tie rods or the rack spacer. that aside it’s always good at beginning, mid and end of a PFA brethren, run to skite about ones underpinnings.. ER make pretty stuff michel, Mike D'Silva and LeeM 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 23October, 2020 Report Share Posted 23October, 2020 1 hour ago, 911Gbanger said: Why do you want to install this kit ? you have unwanted bump steer in your lowered stanced, slammed 964? my other thoughts are its all tired , as you mentioned then Replace refresh everything that’s shagged as a component group . ER , rebel others make great gear . But STD/oem equivalents can also be just as great , just not as brag worthy . simple rack spacer works also. What’s your purpose ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 23October, 2020 Report Share Posted 23October, 2020 6 hours ago, michel said: ...and replace all with alacrity yet calm process driven demeanour. Alacrity???? 🤔🤯 I swear I have to Google some of the words you come up with mate. 😅👍 3 hours ago, 911Gbanger said: Yyyyep! 😂😂 Mike D'Silva and michel 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pembo Posted 23October, 2020 Report Share Posted 23October, 2020 10 hours ago, michel said: A thought To ponder sir, if the components are tired Old and worn... (sounds like you describing a best mate of mine) , then don’t dally dilly, get stuck in like @tk111 and replace all with alacrity yet calm process driven demeanour. one of the best solutions aside from losing gut weight to improve porsche driving characteristics, fresh steering and suspension. is your 964 slammed and scraping ? Bump steer kit can be worthwhile either with the tweaked tie rods or the rack spacer. that aside it’s always good at beginning, mid and end of a PFA brethren, run to skite about ones underpinnings.. ER make pretty stuff Agree with the bold underlined, and the rest. Do one thing at a time to find the major culprits. My lovely little 73 has gotten better and better with every new piece of underwear. Surprised by the improvement gained with some part renewals. Like any car some worn parts can transmit their problems, especially to the steering. michel and tk111 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911Gbanger Posted 23October, 2020 Author Report Share Posted 23October, 2020 19 hours ago, michel said: Why do you want to install this kit ? you have unwanted bump steer in your lowered stanced, slammed 964? my other thoughts are its all tired , as you mentioned then Replace refresh everything that’s shagged as a component group . ER , rebel others make great gear . But STD/oem equivalents can also be just as great , just not as brag worthy . simple rack spacer works also. What’s your purpose ? Purpose is to replace the tie rods. Rather than just replace it with standard parts. I thought this would be an ‘upgrade’. They don’t cost much more than just replacing them part for part so I thought why not? lol I’m not one for bragging . Not sure if that’s a Porsche guy thing. I’m wanting to improve the car for my own selfish reasons certainly not to impress anyone else. You can’t even see this part once it’s in the car 🤦♂️ Let me make the question even clearer lol. Would this replacement part improve the car or not ? Even a slight improvement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk111 Posted 23October, 2020 Report Share Posted 23October, 2020 54 minutes ago, 911Gbanger said: Let me make the question even clearer lol. Would this replacement part improve the car or not ? Even a slight improvement? I think they look like a clever solution And incorporates two “improvements” in one. The question is really, is your car lowered and consequently the changed geometry is causing bump steer? @mfx did a great video on bump steer that demonstrates what a kit like this helps correct. If you have standard geometry, you may not benefit from this bump steer assistance. I suppose if it can be used with standard geometry (ride height) it gives you options if you do lower the stance in the future. A word of caution, it is a slippery slope.. 911Gbanger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 23October, 2020 Report Share Posted 23October, 2020 45 minutes ago, 911Gbanger said: Purpose is to replace the tie rods. Rather than just replace it with standard parts. I thought this would be an ‘upgrade’. They don’t cost much more than just replacing them part for part so I thought why not? lol I’m not one for bragging . Not sure if that’s a Porsche guy thing. I’m wanting to improve the car for my own selfish reasons certainly not to impress anyone else. You can’t even see this part once it’s in the car 🤦♂️ Let me make the question even clearer lol. Would this replacement part improve the car or not ? Even a slight improvement? Yes. It can be an improvement or imprudent you decide but let me make it clear . is your car lowered stanced slammed? if it isn’t or not to be in the future just by STD . Little benefit Aside from previously mentioned ... mid coffee skiting, not mid corner late braking . the Q.. Is all your suspension-steering, old shagged, sloppy, worn ? If so, quantify what needs to be replaced and do it as a whole component group . Piecemeal replacement IMO , if you know what needs replacement is not worthwhile. If tie rods ball joints and all other bushes etc are past use by dates ... pull em all out @tk111 is currently refreshing all his underneath bits and at first, a deeply recalcitrant parts shopper, but thx to @Gus and yours truly, he’s now on the right path to a holus bolus Steering suspension refresh . Best thing by far he’s done to his long suffering car in a long time ..now to get him to drop a few kilos and will get his Wakefield lap times down firstone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911Gbanger Posted 24October, 2020 Author Report Share Posted 24October, 2020 2 hours ago, michel said: Yes. It can be an improvement or imprudent you decide but let me make it clear . is your car lowered stanced slammed? if it isn’t or not to be in the future just by STD . Little benefit Aside from previously mentioned ... mid coffee skiting, not mid corner late braking . the Q.. Is all your suspension-steering, old shagged, sloppy, worn ? If so, quantify what needs to be replaced and do it as a whole component group . Piecemeal replacement IMO , if you know what needs replacement is not worthwhile. If tie rods ball joints and all other bushes etc are past use by dates ... pull em all out @tk111 is currently refreshing all his underneath bits and at first, a deeply recalcitrant parts shopper, but thx to @Gus and yours truly, he’s now on the right path to a holus bolus Steering suspension refresh . Best thing by far he’s done to his long suffering car in a long time ..now to get him to drop a few kilos and will get his Wakefield lap times down Answers to your questions is your car lowered stanced slammed? if it isn’t or not to be in the future just by STD . Little benefit Aside from previously mentioned ... mid coffee skiting, not mid corner late braking . yes it’s lowered - no it’s not slammed I’m not a by (buy) STD Kinda guy. Piecemeal replacement IMO , if you know what needs replacement is not worthwhile. If tie rods ball joints and all other bushes etc are past use by dates ... pull em all out Honestly I do appreciate your replies but is the above even English? Anyway this particular part is amongst many other steering components I’m replacing. From all accounts it sounds like it’ll do more good than bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 24October, 2020 Report Share Posted 24October, 2020 7 minutes ago, 911Gbanger said: Answers to your questions is your car lowered stanced slammed? if it isn’t or not to be in the future just by STD . Little benefit Aside from previously mentioned ... mid coffee skiting, not mid corner late braking . yes it’s lowered - no it’s not slammed I’m not a by (buy) STD Kinda guy. Piecemeal replacement IMO , if you know what needs replacement is not worthwhile. If tie rods ball joints and all other bushes etc are past use by dates ... pull em all out Honestly I do appreciate your replies but is the above even English? Anyway this particular part is amongst many other steering components I’m replacing. From all accounts it sounds like it’ll do more good than bad. Excellent ! Full disclosure buy (bi, by) the tie rods And enjoy p.s I enjoy Ulysses yet still have no idea what J.J is on , or on about 911Gbanger 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911Gbanger Posted 24October, 2020 Author Report Share Posted 24October, 2020 24 minutes ago, michel said: Excellent ! Full disclosure buy (bi, by) the tie rods And enjoy p.s I enjoy Ulysses yet still have no idea what J.J is on , or on about Lol thank you 🙂 3 hours ago, tk111 said: I think they look like a clever solution And incorporates two “improvements” in one. The question is really, is your car lowered and consequently the changed geometry is causing bump steer? @mfx did a great video on bump steer that demonstrates what a kit like this helps correct. If you have standard geometry, you may not benefit from this bump steer assistance. I suppose if it can be used with standard geometry (ride height) it gives you options if you do lower the stance in the future. A word of caution, it is a slippery slope.. Thanks for your reply 🙂 A word of caution, it is a slippery slope.. I see what you mean lol. michel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TINGY Posted 24October, 2020 Report Share Posted 24October, 2020 2 hours ago, 911Gbanger said: Piecemeal replacement IMO , if you know what needs replacement is not worthwhile. If tie rods ball joints and all other bushes etc are past use by dates ... pull em all out Honestly I do appreciate your replies but is the above even English? Anyway this particular part is amongst many other steering components I’m replacing. From all accounts it sounds like it’ll do more good than bad. Looks good, sounds good, just do it No it's not just you mate, he's got everyone looking through the Thesaurus. 2 hours ago, michel said: p.s I enjoy Ulysses yet still have no idea what Michel is on , or on about Fixed. 911Gbanger, michel and tk111 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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