f3nr15 Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 Hi all; I'm a bit conflicted about what to do with my '76 911 (2.7L). SWMBO has asked me to consider selling it, which was my promise 18 months ago when I bought my 964. I've spent an embarrasing amount of money on the car in the six years that I have owned her including an engine and gearbox rebuild < 6K kms ago, SSIs, sports seats, brakes, new tyres etc etc. However, the paint is poor. Extensive bubbling/peeling along the drivers' side from poor prep with a previous respray, a little more along the passenger door. A dent in the rear, hidden behind the Porsche reflector (from the PO). My current wrench (Simon at Autowerks) just superglued a large flake of paint on the driver's door back in place as it was about to fall off! Actually, I am quite loathe to sell her - 1. Knowing the huge dollars spent that will never be regained 2. Knowing that I'll prob get even less than reasonable market value considering the appearance of the paint currently 3. I'm actually really attached to the car - mechanically it's perfect, and a hoot to drive, and I LOVE the sportomatic There's no way I can financially justify the full respray that the car deserves, especially if I am looking to sell. If I were to sell, I would HOPE for $30K (considering the $50K that has been sunk in to her after purchase), but think it likely that I would get offers of <$20K due to the paint appearance. Any thoughts? What would YOU do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxy Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 I'd advertise it at an inflated price if it was me just to keep the peace. Then when it doesn't sell at least you can say you tried. That's if you want to keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 It's a very hard call Peter. I am guessing you already know the answer to your question. Bodywork and the costs involved pull a lot of value out of a car. I've only seen photo's of your 2.7 but it looks good in them. Have you thought about going to a few paint shops and getting quotes on just fixing up the problem area(s)? I have much the same problem with my paintwork. Great body but poor paint on my roof and bonnet. LOL otherwise I'd be doing what Maxy said! P.S I'lll take your rear wing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasserkuhl Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 I would start at 35k. Its a sporto so this is a barrier, however it is reasonable to expect a sale price in the range of $25k - 29k. Paint, proper paint will cost $5k. and then add ons after the current paint has been removed. This is where the cash comes in because, you either do it right or bog it up. The top coat is easy. Its what is holding it up that makes the difference. You will get, people like me that offer 19k and will got to 22k, just in case your bells are in a vice that is doing your ears in. Its a car that has a finite buying audience. Start at 35k and entertain any offer that comes your way. I'll take the spoiler off your hands, if its original of course. PM me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 Well there's several ways you could do this... As Maxy said, put a nutso price on it. See how you go Tidy up the paint, put nutso price on it. See how yougo Look for the right buyer who you know will love the car and cherish it. Sometimes you spend lots of money and you never ever get it back - that's cars for you. If you don't need the cash. Just club permit reg it and keep it. You are also competing with some cars that look very good in pics that are under $30k. But obviously without knowing what they've done mechanically.. the may not be competing with your car at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Man Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 I'm with Maxy.............."The market is really difficult honey. I did try". Seriously though, you need to take the emotional attachment out of it. The car will not really appreciate unless you spend some coin working the body and duco. Full respray with some body work at a reputable shop will set you back 12-15K minimum, unless you get it done by a "back yard" operator and then would you be truly happy anyway? Advertise and hope for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 SWMBO - said consider selling it. You made this post, there's the consideration! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Man Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 SWMBO - said consider selling it. You made this post, there's the consideration! And that advice is coming from a woman, so there!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC9911 Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 Just needs a small adjustment from SWMBO to SWMBI where I stands for ignored! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 And that advice is coming from a woman, so there!!!!!! I don't count tho - I'm a petrol head! I was once on a 'break' in a relationship and used that opportunity to buy myself a car I was told I couldn't have 2 weeks earlier when I was not on a 'break' . That was a fun convo when we got back together! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasserkuhl Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 25-29k. thats it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vas Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 Divorce, simple. Never sell an air cooled unless its a last resort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airhead Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 I sold a 2.2 911 way back when just before I got a divorce. Geez I miss her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vas Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 I sold a 2.2 911 way back when just before I got a divorce. Geez I miss her. hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Man Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 I sold a 2.2 911 way back when just before I got a divorce. Geez I miss her. The car, yeah!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC9911 Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 f3nr15, Tell SWMBI that you will sell it to her for $50K & then she can sell it for whatever she can get for it & realise the loss with her money, won't seem like such a great idea then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie944S Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 Got this sorted.... keep it at my place.... out of sight out of mind, she will forget you had it within a month... we can set up a Skype account so you can video chat with her on the sly... hahaha. Seriously though this is hard one, a lot of people see only the book for its cover and even if you have got the paper to back your story some will still be stand offish with it. I think I would list it for in between crazy and slightly reasonable and screen every buyer that way you have tryd if it doesn't go within a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 This might get me barred from PFA: With all the upgrades etc, what's it worth broken up for parts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 sell it to amanda? keep it and get a new wife, nice porsches are hard to come by Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niko Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 Shame to have to let it go, promise or no promise to SWMBO. Time for negotiations and flowers. Do you have the room to keep it? If so not sure how it works up there in N.S.W. but what Amanda suggested re club rego would be the go. I'm guessing the Volks tow rag. Is the family truckster.... get SWMBO involved in this love triangle and give the misses the sporto , you have the 964..smiles all round. (Just keep it in your name though) Good luck with your projects, Dorothy "niko" Dix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3nr15 Posted 4February, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 Wow, thanks all for the fantastic replies! To round out the story, "SWMBO" is probably unfair/unflattering - she really is my dear lady She works harder and smarter than I, earns double what I do, and while she isn't a car fan, she loves that I am passionate about the P-cars. When I say that she's requested I consider selling the old gal, what I really mean is that she'd like me to sell it, but would never force my hand - although she'll continue to bring it up as ammo in arguments, but that's normal with the ladies (every promise you've ever broken in is fodder for the rest of your life ) I guess the conflict about selling the car isn't so much to do with her as it is to do with me - not being the primary breadwinner, there's definitely some guilt there about having TWO P-car toys that are hardly driven. I'd advertise it at an inflated price if it was me just to keep the peace. Then when it doesn't sell at least you can say you tried. That's if you want to keep it. This. I guess putting it up for sale online would be a start - might gauge the potential interest, and also soothe my guilt! It's a very hard call Peter. I am guessing you already know the answer to your question. Bodywork and the costs involved pull a lot of value out of a car. I've only seen photo's of your 2.7 but it looks good in them. Have you thought about going to a few paint shops and getting quotes on just fixing up the problem area(s)? I have much the same problem with my paintwork. Great body but poor paint on my roof and bonnet. LOL otherwise I'd be doing what Maxy said! P.S I'lll take your rear wing Thanks Uncle - the pictures really don't tell the story of the cosmetics. Yours is also a sensible approach - I might take her to a few of the shops around town and ask about the price to get her to a presentable level. Although I know that if I get her looking nicer, it'll be even harder for me to part with her! Apologies, but the spoiler is already spoken for by someone else on these forums, a couple of days ago! I would start at 35k. Its a sporto so this is a barrier, however it is reasonable to expect a sale price in the range of $25k - 29k. Paint, proper paint will cost $5k. and then add ons after the current paint has been removed. This is where the cash comes in because, you either do it right or bog it up. The top coat is easy. Its what is holding it up that makes the difference. You will get, people like me that offer 19k and will got to 22k, just in case your bells are in a vice that is doing your ears in. Its a car that has a finite buying audience. Start at 35k and entertain any offer that comes your way. I'll take the spoiler off your hands, if its original of course. PM me. If I could get the paint tidied up for $5K, I would definitely think about it. Might do some asking around as Uncle has suggested. See above comment abou the wing, sorry! Well there's several ways you could do this... As Maxy said, put a nutso price on it. See how you go Tidy up the paint, put nutso price on it. See how yougo Look for the right buyer who you know will love the car and cherish it. Sometimes you spend lots of money and you never ever get it back - that's cars for you. If you don't need the cash. Just club permit reg it and keep it. You are also competing with some cars that look very good in pics that are under $30k. But obviously without knowing what they've done mechanically.. the may not be competing with your car at all. Thanks Amanda - if you think you might be interested, I might scan the receipts for all the work through to you. This way you could get an idea of what all has been done. No pressure, of course, I haven't even definitely committed to selling yet! But if I do, I'd really want her to go to a good home. I'm with Maxy.............."The market is really difficult honey. I did try". Seriously though, you need to take the emotional attachment out of it. The car will not really appreciate unless you spend some coin working the body and duco. Full respray with some body work at a reputable shop will set you back 12-15K minimum, unless you get it done by a "back yard" operator and then would you be truly happy anyway? Advertise and hope for the best. Good points. If I could get a "passable" job done for $5K, I would think about it. If I could get a "good" job done for $10K, I would start saving my pennies. Bt the reality is that a proper glass-out respray on these cars is $20-30K any day of the week at a specialist shop, and probably closer to $40K at Zags! Got this sorted.... keep it at my place.... out of sight out of mind, she will forget you had it within a month... we can set up a Skype account so you can video chat with her on the sly... hahaha. Seriously though this is hard one, a lot of people see only the book for its cover and even if you have got the paper to back your story some will still be stand offish with it. I think I would list it for in between crazy and slightly reasonable and screen every buyer that way you have tryd if it doesn't go within a few months. This course of action seems to be the consensus. I can see the ad now - "Despite a shedload of restoration work, the paint on this car is terrible, and I'm not that keen to sell her really anyway, so don't bother calling" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 4February, 2013 Report Share Posted 4February, 2013 "Thanks Amanda - if you think you might be interested, I might scan the receipts for all the work through to you. This way you could get an idea of what all has been done. No pressure, of course, I haven't even definitely committed to selling yet! But if I do, I'd really want her to go to a good home. Good points. If I could get a "passable" job done for $5K, I would think about it. If I could get a "good" job done for $10K, I would start saving my pennies. Bt the reality is that a proper glass-out respray on these cars is $20-30K any day of the week at a specialist shop, and probably closer to $40K at Zags!" How bad is it really? If you do decide to sell I could be interested in it. Does sound like a good first P. At least I wouldn't have to worry about the paint and stone chips visiting the parents in the country If you don't mind going through the receipts I would love to hear what you've done to the car. I'll PM you my email. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 5February, 2013 Report Share Posted 5February, 2013 you really shouldn't worry about the paint that much Amanda, buy it and drive it mine has stonechips all over the front, and the paint reacting to the galvanising around the engine bay and i don't have any medium term plans to fix either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 5February, 2013 Report Share Posted 5February, 2013 you really shouldn't worry about the paint that much Amanda, buy it and drive it mine has stonechips all over the front, and the paint reacting to the galvanising around the engine bay and i don't have any medium term plans to fix either There's two sides to this argument. First is "it's got a few battle scars and I don't stress over it and just enjoy driving it" Secondly "pride and joy of a pristine example" unfortunately this is accompanied by dread and angst over any blemish. I think most of us fall into the second camp, though there is something to be said for the more relaxed first one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Posted 5February, 2013 Report Share Posted 5February, 2013 I am so far into the first it's hilarious.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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