Cayman GT4 RS

[Snowman]

There you go - I just re-punched in my build code and this came up.

[1q2w3e4r]

37 minutes ago, Snowman said:

There you go - I just re-punched in my build code and this came up.

How does that work?  Do you already have a sales contract?

Lot of car for ~$300k tbh.

[wilson59]

1 hour ago, sleazius said:

Very interesting. Its already a $400k proposition with the pack and a few options. 

My build came in at with Weissach pack . If i was getting one 

Drive Away Price

$349,483 *

[WGA]

Are you sure about this price? I thought a 4RS in SA with no options other than the WP was at least $370K driveaway?  My spec in Vic comes in at $399,418 due to the Dan tax.

[wilson59]

38 minutes ago, WGA said:

Are you sure about this price? I thought a 4RS in SA with no options other than the WP was at least $370K driveaway?  My spec in Vic comes in at $399,418 due to the Dan tax.

OK update . I think I added a few options which deleted the Weissach pack . It increase Drive away price just shy of $380 K 

ice

Price

 

 

 

718 Cayman GT4 RS

982851

 

 

Price for Equipment*

 

 

41,110.00 A$

Exterior Colour

 

 

 

White

0Q

 

0.00 A$

Interior Colour

 

 

 

Leather interior with Weissach Package with extensive items in leather and Race-Tex, Black and Arctic Grey

61

 

3,320.00 A$

Equipment Packages

 

 

 

Weissach Package

P74

 

29,890.00 A$

Weissach Package without roll cage

 

 

0.00 A$

Roll cage in Titanium

 

 

0.00 A$

Club Sport Package

003

 

0.00 A$

Drive train / Chassis

 

 

 

Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)

250

 

0.00 A$

Chrono Package

QR5

 

520.00 A$

Lift system on front axle

474

 

4,900.00 A$

Wheels

 

 

 

20-inch 718 Cayman GT4 RS forged Aluminum wheels

421

 

0.00 A$

Interior

 

 

 

Full bucket seats

P11

 

0.00 A$

Smoking package

583

 

100.00 A$

Seat belts in Guards Red Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur

XSX

 

520.00 A$

Instrument dials in White Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur

XFJ

 

920.00 A$

Chrono stopwatch instrument dial in White Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur

XGM

 

650.00 A$

Door pull loops in Guards Red Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur

XBB

 

290.00 A$

[Essay]

8 hours ago, Snowman said:

I know about 8 guys with 4RS orders (not all confirmed yet) - but every one of them has ticked the Weissach's pack so I find that statement questionable.

Also I heard there's a big price jump coming for any deliveries not already locked in with build slots. Be interesting to see if that gets a few people to drop off the list.

 

Hope so Snowy 😉

[Raven]

16 hours ago, wilson59 said:

OK update . I think I added a few options which deleted the Weissach pack . It increase Drive away price just shy of $380 K 

ice

Price

 

 

 

718 Cayman GT4 RS

982851

 

 

Price for Equipment*

 

 

41,110.00 A$

Exterior Colour

 

 

 

White

0Q

 

0.00 A$

Interior Colour

 

 

 

Leather interior with Weissach Package with extensive items in leather and Race-Tex, Black and Arctic Grey

61

 

3,320.00 A$

Equipment Packages

 

 

 

Weissach Package

P74

 

29,890.00 A$

Weissach Package without roll cage

 

 

0.00 A$

Roll cage in Titanium

 

 

0.00 A$

Club Sport Package

003

 

0.00 A$

Drive train / Chassis

 

 

 

Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)

250

 

0.00 A$

Chrono Package

QR5

 

520.00 A$

Lift system on front axle

474

 

4,900.00 A$

Wheels

 

 

 

20-inch 718 Cayman GT4 RS forged Aluminum wheels

421

 

0.00 A$

Interior

 

 

 

Full bucket seats

P11

 

0.00 A$

Smoking package

583

 

100.00 A$

Seat belts in Guards Red Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur

XSX

 

520.00 A$

Instrument dials in White Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur

XFJ

 

920.00 A$

Chrono stopwatch instrument dial in White Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur

XGM

 

650.00 A$

Door pull loops in Guards Red Porsche Exclusive Manufaktur

XBB

 

290.00 A$

 

Yeh the Spec I did on the online configuration was just shy of $400K with the WP and other options I wanted ..

[mc968cs]

I’ve spoken with my dealer twice and basically they are saying if you don’t have a slot already you aren’t really getting the car and don’t even bother ordering one unless you can wait 2 plus years. A mate who had a deposit down pre the specs announced but no build slot yet has also been told  this week that same wait timeframe, so he withdrew his his deposit.  In addition another mate who had a pts slot was just told that’s not going to be possible in under two years either. He’s unsure if will bother with it now. So lots of people being told it’s not coming, except for those who really have a slot confirmed in non pts.  

On a related not, I’m a little curious as to how long some buyers that get one will hold this car - I keep hearing it’s way more intense than people realise and unless they are really into track days at 10/10ths they may tire of this pretty quickly on the road unless they are hard core…..going to be fascinating to see how it goes.  I know a number of 991.2 gt3rs buyers re sold those very quickly as they came to that conclusion too….hard yards on road with noise etc ….some  moved immediately into Mclaren and Turbo S etc. 

I think it will be great. 

22 hours ago, Snowman said:

There you go - I just re-punched in my build code and this came up.

So the price has gone up $12k and you have to pay that to get the car - despite having a build slot, is that how that works? 

[Snowman]

My understanding is anyone with a June build will get the original price and any after that get the new price. 
 

But I agree with you on the concerns about the livability of these cars on the road. My 981 GT4 was horrible with catless Dundon headers. They lasted 1 week on my car before I went back to headers with sports cats due to how obnoxious it was inside the car  

So at this stage I’m also keeping the old 981 in case the RS is a bit too much. The plan is to decide which one to keep in a year or so. 

[sleazius]

I was originally told only 8 cars were coming to my dealer in the first two years, which to me seemed ridiculous. Doesn't seem so ridiculous now.

By all accounts its obnoxiously loud in the cabin, which definitely may result in some fast flips.

[WGA]

It is obnoxiously loud in the cabin...... but only above 6000rpm which is where you need to live on track.

Below that, which is still above the speeds generally allowed in this country, it is relatively dull.  

To give you an idea, this is my out lap in the 4RS at Spa. At 60kph in the pitlane you can hardly hear it. And even above that between 90-150kph (depending on what gear you are in) it is still relatively tame.

 

[wirthO]

8 hours ago, mc968cs said:

On a related not, I’m a little curious as to how long some buyers that get one will hold this car - I keep hearing it’s way more intense than people realise and unless they are really into track days at 10/10ths they may tire of this pretty quickly on the road unless they are hard core…..going to be fascinating to see how it goes.  I know a number of 991.2 gt3rs buyers re sold those very quickly as they came to that conclusion too….hard yards on road with noise etc ….some  moved immediately into Mclaren and Turbo S etc. 

I

Perfect! 😎

[cafe_racer]

5 hours ago, Snowman said:

My understanding is anyone with a June build will get the original price and any after that get the new price. 
 

But I agree with you on the concerns about the livability of these cars on the road. My 981 GT4 was horrible with catless Dundon headers. They lasted 1 week on my car before I went back to headers with sports cats due to how obnoxious it was inside the car  

So at this stage I’m also keeping the old 981 in case the RS is a bit too much. The plan is to decide which one to keep in a year or so. 

I got the same on the price rise. But also seems the 2023 model has Bose and upgraded headlights. So you are paying more but has some more thrown in. Am sure there may be some other changes to 2023 builds but I’m unsure. Someone else may know? 

[wirthO]

14 hours ago, cafe_racer said:

I got the same on the price rise. But also seems the 2023 model has Bose and upgraded headlights. So you are paying more but has some more thrown in. Am sure there may be some other changes to 2023 builds but I’m unsure. Someone else may know? 

I believe the other item is the tire repair kit 

[HWY]

18 hours ago, WGA said:

It is obnoxiously loud in the cabin...... but only above 6000rpm which is where you need to live on track.

Below that, which is still above the speeds generally allowed in this country, it is relatively dull.  

To give you an idea, this is my out lap in the 4RS at Spa. At 60kph in the pitlane you can hardly hear it. And even above that between 90-150kph (depending on what gear you are in) it is still relatively tame.

 

How about the seatbelt warning chime? Now that's loud!

One more public service- The Weekend Australian has Clarkson's review of the 4RS.

[Carrera28]

1 hour ago, HWY said:

One more public service- The Weekend Australian has Clarkson's review of the 4RS.

Meet the noisy neighbour that everyone seems to love

Review: the Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS

By Jeremy Clarkson (Sunday Times, April 24)

A colleague told me recently that he’d decided to buy a cottage in a Wiltshire village because the neighbours had two Volvos on the drive. So he figured they’d be nice people.

It’s an interesting point. People spend a great deal of time and care and attention on making their house look pretty and then they park a Nissan Juke in front of it. Or a slammed Honda Civic. I know one chap who has a beautiful house. Or it would be except for the fact that most of it’s usually hidden behind a godawful Lincoln Navigator.

If I were selling my house and a photograph of it were to appear in one of the property porn mags, I’d make sure the car in the drive was something restrained and tasteful but at the same time reasonably expensive to suggest affluence. A dark grey Range Rover perhaps. Or a 5-series BMW in navy blue. Or two Volvos.

In recent years this has been a problem for petrolheads who like driving quickly, because ordinary people tend to find flashy, growly, low and lime-green cars disgusting, and are mistrustful of the idiots who buy them. I’d love to have a Lamborghini but I wouldn’t want to live next door to someone who has one. I’d live in constant fear that he’d pop over to show me his tattoos.

So I was drawn recently to some YouTube footage of a new idea for home car storage. It’s like a shipping container with no sides and you drive in, press a button, and the whole thing slides underground, leaving no trace on the surface. I think the idea is that if you live in a city you can have secure off-street parking as well as a small garden, which is located on the roof of your “garage”. But it would be perfect for people, like me, who want to hide their guilty secret. You have mates round for a barbecue and they won’t realise, as they’re having a cold beer among your geraniums, that they’re right on top of your thousand-horsepower destroyer of worlds.

All of this came to me after a man from Porsche dropped off the new GT4 RS, which I figured would be a red rag to all of the plant-based Biden enthusiasts who live around this neck of the woods these days. It’s a car you might want, but it’s not a car you’d want to have on your drive.

I was wrong. Everyone who came to my door while it was out there swooned and cooed and wanted to sit in it. One girl, who has a shop selling linen with little flowers on it, asked whether it had Pirelli Cup tyres. Another who does nothing all day, so far as I can tell, except grow and plait her armpit hair wondered why it wasn’t four-wheel drive.

It was strange, but then it turned out that all of these people have spent the past few weeks watching Drive to Survive on Netflix and they’re all now fully paid-up petrolheads. Greta Thunberg so nearly had them but they’ve been whisked away at the last minute by a documentary about Formula One, and all of them now want a hot car that goes like a Saturn V, stops like it’s hit a wall and turns like a hunted antelope.

The GT4 RS is weird because in essence what Porsche has done is taken the naturally aspirated — I can use words like that nowadays — flat six four-litre engine from the bigger and more expensive 911 GT3 and plonked it in the smaller 718.

It wasn’t that simple, obviously. It needed a new exhaust system that would fit round the rear suspension, for example, and that’s why it’s not quite as powerful as it is in a GT3. But you end up with very nearly 500 horsepower in a car that is lighter and smaller, and therefore more nimble.

I liked the sound of this because, in recent years, the 911 has been getting a bit big. It was becoming more of a supercar really, and that’s not what it’s supposed to be. It’s supposed to be a sports car. And sports cars are little. Think MG. Think Spitfire. Think Mazda MX5. And now think Porsche GT4 RS.

Actually you can’t think GT4 RS because when you’re in it, it’s so loud you can’t hear what’s happening in your own head. You can’t hear anything at all, except the engine. It is phenomenally loud even before you push a little button on the centre console that makes it louder still.

But oh, my sweet lord, what a sound. I was told the other day by a neighbouring farmer that the best music is made by a colliery brass band. He used to be in Groove Armada, so he knows what he’s on about. And yet he’s wrong. The best music is made by this flat six. And when you take it up to 9,000rpm it’s the loudest as well. Not on the outside, mind. Only for those who are in it. Take note Jaguar, who do it, wrongly, the other way around.

It’s not what I call a “cheat” noise either. It’s not created by moving flaps around in the exhaust pipes or amplifying the noise through the stereo speakers. It’s the sound of this car breathing in through its carbon fibre ears, which are located where the rear side windows used to be. The downside is that you can’t see what’s coming at oblique junctions, but the death or serious injury that may result from this is a small price to pay.

A lot of enthusiasts will no doubt moan that it’s not available with a manual gearbox, but I didn’t mind at all. In fact I just happily tugged away at those flappy paddles as I was going along. Not because I wanted to change gear especially, I was simply using them like organ stops.

Now at this point you might imagine this car was designed mainly for track days. Not so. It’s stiff, for sure, and it has all the carbon fibre and downforce talking points that are necessary among track-day people, which, thanks to Drive to Survive, is now everyone, but it’s surprisingly compliant on the road, even in Oxfordshire, where the roads only just meet the dictionary definition these days.

It may not have the GT3’s double-wishbone front suspension, but it doesn’t really matter. You can literally fling the GT4 RS around the place and, like all good sports cars, it reacts like an excited puppy. Squealing and wagging its tail and making barky noises. In a GT3 you nod sagely when it does something well. In its baby brother you burst out laughing.

Price? It’s £23,000 less than a GT3, which means it’s £108,000. And that sounds like good value, but of course this is Porsche. So you’ll be expected to pay extra for the seats and the paint and “Oh, you want a key as well?”

Look on the bright side, though. You won’t have to worry about where you’re going to park it because you’ll never want to get out of it. I came home from the local pub in it last Saturday, via Exeter. And I deliberately left my wallet there so I’d have to go back.

The Clarksometer: Porsche 718 Cayman GT4 RS

Engine: 3996cc, naturally aspirated, flat six

Power: 493bhp @ 8400rpm

Torque: 332 lb ft @ 6750rpm

Acceleration: 0-62mph: 3.4sec

Top speed: 196mph

Fuel / CO2: 21.4 mpg / 299 g/km

Weight: 1,415kg

Price: £108,370

Release date: On sale now

Jeremy’s rating: ★★★★☆

Head to head: Porsche 718 Cayman vs. GT4 RS v Aston Martin Vantage

Price: £108,370 / £127,600

Power: 493 bhp / 503 bhp

0-62 mph: 3.4 sec / 3.6 sec

Top speed: 196mph / 195mph

[sleazius]

Is that price before VAT? Half the price of here otherwise.

[HWY]

The Australian article is so edited compared to the original The Times article. Newscorp obviously don't like having a dig at any of the other brands mentioned for fear of some legal department....   Thanks for posting the original as it is a much better read.

[WGA]

1 hour ago, sleazius said:

Is that price before VAT? Half the price of here otherwise.

That price includes VAT. So, yes, half the price compared to Aus. When I bought my aussie GT3 RS, approx $200,000 of the $480K price was tax in some form or another. Daylight robbery.

[sleazius]

1 hour ago, WGA said:

That price includes VAT. So, yes, half the price compared to Aus. When I bought my aussie GT3 RS, approx $200,000 of the $480K price was tax in some form or another. Daylight robbery.

"most competitive market in the world" - they forgot to mention it is only competitive on cars below the luxury tax.

[Coastr]

20 hours ago, WGA said:

That price includes VAT. So, yes, half the price compared to Aus. When I bought my aussie GT3 RS, approx $200,000 of the $480K price was tax in some form or another. Daylight robbery.

Good on you for paying it.  I don’t know if I could swallow that tax bill.  It all depends I guess on your budget and how you’re buying.  It’s outrageous any way you look at it.   You can buy a $1m boat and only pay half that in tax.   I could just see myself sitting down in the dealership, seeing the tax amount on the Order and just noping out of there with apologies to the sales rep.  All of it will be wasted by ‘plant based Biden enthusiasts’ as Clarkson so amusingly labels it.   All on value destroying idiotic pet projects, none on better roads. 

[HWY]

On 09/05/2022 at 16:56, Coastr said:

Good on you for paying it.  I don’t know if I could swallow that tax bill.  It all depends I guess on your budget and how you’re buying.  It’s outrageous any way you look at it.   You can buy a $1m boat and only pay half that in tax.   I could just see myself sitting down in the dealership, seeing the tax amount on the Order and just noping out of there with apologies to the sales rep.  All of it will be wasted by ‘plant based Biden enthusiasts’ as Clarkson so amusingly labels it.   All on value destroying idiotic pet projects, none on better roads. 

The sales guys always tell you to close your eyes and don't look at the stamp duty, lux car tax, or dealer delivery lines on the invoice. Just think about the car you are getting.

[HWY]

Fantastic review from Dan Neil this weekend in Wall Street Journal....

[cafe_racer]

 

Stuff like this is getting me excited.

[dragon02]

On 03/05/2022 at 16:35, cafe_racer said:

I have one on the way, hopefully here by October.  I went could be termed povo comfort spec 😂 I'm just excited to be getting one.

Has any been delivered yet?