WGA Posted 13May Report Share Posted 13May https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2024/products/porsche-911-hybrid-development-completed-36153.html Really looking forward to the GTS. I am aiming to add one to my garage...assuming the inevitable price rise is not too horrific. mc968cs and LeeM 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 13May Report Share Posted 13May This has been in development since Porsche fitted a hybrid system to a cup car in 2010. Great idea to appease the greenies I reckon. I have no idea why other manufacturers haven't gone down the hybrid route, especially in SUV's and the like. As much stick as they cop for the Prius, Toyota has proved its a successful variant to a sole ICE powered car, and the reason why Toyota won't build a sole EV. 80mercury 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk86 Posted 14May Report Share Posted 14May Will be interesting to see the changes. Rumour has it no manual on the GTS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted 14May Report Share Posted 14May I’m really interested to see how these kind of hybrid systems enter into the range … especially if it means getting back a few more N/A engines that use these setups to meet their emission targets, instead of everything becoming downsized and turbocharged… Hopefully they can do it in a way that isn’t too heavy, still feels very N/A to drive and can have a manual gearbox … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 14May Report Share Posted 14May On 13/05/2024 at 20:22, WGA said: https://newsroom.porsche.com/en/2024/products/porsche-911-hybrid-development-completed-36153.html Really looking forward to the GTS. I am aiming to add one to my garage...assuming the inevitable price rise is not too horrific. Supposedly it Is 8% across the board in the US. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 15May Report Share Posted 15May Controversial opinion, I think it makes a lot of sense to have this power train in new 911’s, you know they will apply it right and the performance is clearly there… add to that the car will have a full EV mode I’m sure, so you can still drive it within European cities that have strict emissions regs (I’m sure big Australian cities will follow suit). Only byproduct I can see is weight gain, but granted we are not talking about a race car/track day special, it’s a small price to pay for the upside, clearly by its freshly posted ring time. look forward to all the technical specs on the 28th LeeM and JWM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGA Posted 15May Author Report Share Posted 15May AFAIK, the 992.2 will not have a full EV mode as the battery is too small. It's designed by RIMAC as a small quick discharge battery solely to improve performance and lower emissions. It quickly recharges off the engine and under braking. P-Kay and JWM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 16May Report Share Posted 16May 8 hours ago, WGA said: AFAIK, the 992.2 will not have a full EV mode as the battery is too small. It's designed by RIMAC as a small quick discharge battery solely to improve performance and lower emissions. It quickly recharges off the engine and under braking. Interesting! So perhaps the weight gain is minimal... time will tell! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 16May Report Share Posted 16May On 13/05/2024 at 21:20, LeeM said: I have no idea why other manufacturers haven't gone down the hybrid route, especially in SUV's and the like. As much stick as they cop for the Prius, Toyota has proved its a successful variant to a sole ICE powered car, and the reason why Toyota won't build a sole EV. Up until this last week I thought that Toyota had put it's foot down and were only making hybrids and now I am seeing new ads for their first full electric SUV. I agree that at least at the moment that hybrid makes more sense here in Aus, at least for the generic monochrome bolbs that plague our roads. If it is like @WGA mentions and mainly a bit of regen, and torque fill with a small battery (probably in to front for weight balance) I don't see it as a bad thing. If they can still make some great noises, hopefully still from a flat 6 then the future is not too bleak. Either way I love my old cars so as long as I can keep getting some sort of go juice it won't be my problem LeeM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 16May Report Share Posted 16May I haven't seen that about Toyota EV's. Just goes to show they've probably realised they're going to miss out if they don't head that way. And yeah it doesn't bother me with the EV thing, yet if thats what people wanna buy, then good for them. I just know I won't be buying one MFX and kov 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 16May Report Share Posted 16May 55 minutes ago, MFX said: Either way I love my old cars so as long as I can keep getting some sort of go juice it won't be my problem I think synthetic e-fuels are the way to go - they'll just be expensive. 80mercury and MFX 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 17May Report Share Posted 17May 23 hours ago, sleazius said: I think synthetic e-fuels are the way to go - they'll just be expensive. Definitely. It will get harder to drive our cars, but I think we will still be alright for quite some time yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomo Posted 18May Report Share Posted 18May The petroleum industry boosted the global economy by 4.3 Trillion in the 2023 year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 18May Report Share Posted 18May 16 minutes ago, tomo said: The petroleum industry boosted the global economy by 4.3 Trillion in the 2023 year. And that was just at my local servo! 🙄 Harsh, tomo, P-Kay and 1 other 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VGTS20 Posted 29May Report Share Posted 29May so what are everyones thoughts following the 911 Hybrid release yesterday ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGA Posted 29May Author Report Share Posted 29May The base Carrera is just a modest update as you typically get from .1 to .2 generations. So if you liked the 992.1 Carrera I see no reason as to why you would not like the 992.2. The real interest is the t-hybrid GTS. A huge jump in HP and technology. With a set of CUP2s, there is no doubt in my mind that it will quicker than a GT3 on some tracks. I am genuinely interested in getting one and looking forward to trying one out......but....sheeez....a modestly speced GTS is now $450K on the road and a Cab is $480+K! You can get a lot of car for that kind of money. 992.1s are going to hold their value really well now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 30May Report Share Posted 30May I tell you when I drive one. In the drag race it seemed like most of the extra performance was in the launch. Didn't seem to pull away from the old GTS, even in the rolling 50 the new one seems to deploy more power more quickly, but then not pull away any further. Obviously will be a gun out of the corners and thus a lot faster on a track. Be interesting to see what the Turbo S is like as the GTS / turbo / turbo s are all using the same set-up just in different states of tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 30May Report Share Posted 30May To appease the numpties in global parliaments most likely tomk86 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 30May Report Share Posted 30May I have to say, they have definitely applied the tech in a way I did not expect, especially the turbo with assist & recovery, kudos to them! It is rather clever whilst only gaining 50kgs I would imagine this architecture carries through to the Turbo & Turbo S with some hardware & software changes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomk86 Posted 31May Report Share Posted 31May 14 hours ago, LeeM said: To appease the numpties in global parliaments most likely IMO Porsche is just ticking boxes with these models until the technology around carbon neutral fuels catches up. I’m sure they’ll be great out of the showroom…but in 10 years time when the battery is either cooked or at reduced capacity I’d much rather be driving a 992.1. Rick V 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sleazius Posted 31May Report Share Posted 31May 2 hours ago, edgy said: I have to say, they have definitely applied the tech in a way I did not expect, especially the turbo with assist & recovery, kudos to them! It is rather clever whilst only gaining 50kgs I would imagine this architecture carries through to the Turbo & Turbo S with some hardware & software changes? Yes, it is the same unit, just with more power. edgy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 31May Report Share Posted 31May 11 minutes ago, tomk86 said: IMO Porsche is just ticking boxes with these models until the technology around carbon neutral fuels catches up. I’m sure they’ll be great out of the showroom…but in 10 years time when the battery is either cooked or at reduced capacity I’d much rather be driving a 992.1. Just like most things these days mate...it'll be very costly to repair, or an expensive throw away item. Hybrids are a better idea than full EV in my opinion, and the Toyota Prius and later Rav4, Camry's etc have proved that by their longevity and popularity. With all these companies apparently producing only EV versions of certain models in their line up, I think they're just shooting themselves in the foot by not adopting hybrid technology. Yeatesy and tomk86 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeatesy Posted 31May Report Share Posted 31May 2 hours ago, LeeM said: Just like most things these days mate...it'll be very costly to repair, or an expensive throw away item. Hybrids are a better idea than full EV in my opinion, and the Toyota Prius and later Rav4, Camry's etc have proved that by their longevity and popularity. With all these companies apparently producing only EV versions of certain models in their line up, I think they're just shooting themselves in the foot by not adopting hybrid technology. Spot on Lee 👍 LeeM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JWM Posted 31May Report Share Posted 31May Going against the grain it seems, but typical hybrids (not the 911, this is something different) don't make much sense to me ... as boring (or more) to drive as an EV, with even more complexity than an ICE ... Worst of all worlds. 4 hours ago, tomk86 said: but in 10 years time when the battery is either cooked or at reduced capacity I’d much rather be driving a 992.1. Battery is tiny, I doubt it would cost much at all to replace even now let alone in ten years. My worry would be if something breaks inside the gearbox … 19 hours ago, LeeM said: To appease the numpties in global parliaments most likely I was a bit surprised but apparently it makes almost no difference to emissions so seems it was just a way to get way more power … I think probably also a good marketing exercise to slowly get people used to the idea of electricity being in the mix for 911s … The best thing is I think it makes the range much more interesting. There’s a big difference now between the Carrera and S, the GTS & Turbos and the GT3s. Something for everyone! 😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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