Turra Posted 30September, 2020 Report Share Posted 30September, 2020 https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1995-porsche-911-carrera-4-993-manual-my96/SSE-AD-6721067 i went and took a look at this car yesterday. It is VERY tired. Lovely car? No, looked after by owner? No. Body and paint need complete refresh - a buff won’t do it. Front seats need to be redone but rest of interior ok. Engine $15-20k, interior $5k for front seats, body and paint $20 for a reasonable finish, suspension, transmission, rest - unsure. Risk factor ~ $10k, value on completion $130 - $140 if done well, price now 140 - 10 - 20 - 5 - 20 = $80-$85k.thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GC9911 Posted 30September, 2020 Report Share Posted 30September, 2020 8 minutes ago, Turra said: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1995-porsche-911-carrera-4-993-manual-my96/SSE-AD-6721067 i went and took a look at this car yesterday. It is VERY tired. Lovely car? No, looked after by owner? No. Body and paint need complete refresh - a buff won’t do it. Front seats need to be redone but rest of interior ok. Engine $15-20k, interior $5k for front seats, body and paint $20 for a reasonable finish, suspension, transmission, rest - unsure. Risk factor ~ $10k, value on completion $130 - $140 if done well, price now 140 - 10 - 20 - 5 - 20 = $80-$85k.thoughts? Accurate assessment IMHO, many prospective buyers hope for the best & underestimate the TRUE end cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 30September, 2020 Report Share Posted 30September, 2020 Don’t see a lot of restored 993s so hard to say if they fetch good money or not. $15-20 for motor? Not a lot of wiggle room in there for that. All you can do is make an offer. I have made realistic offers on unloved cars that have been received poorly - in that case all you do is move on. Some people think that they look after cars when in reality all they have done is fail to smash them into a post. They think small dents and scratches and missing/broken interior pieces just need ‘a little tlc’. In reality cosmetic neglect usually indicates mechanical neglect. Good luck, at least it hasn’t been in the bottom of a river. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 30September, 2020 Report Share Posted 30September, 2020 12 hours ago, Turra said: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1995-porsche-911-carrera-4-993-manual-my96/SSE-AD-6721067 i went and took a look at this car yesterday. It is VERY tired. Lovely car? No, looked after by owner? No. Body and paint need complete refresh - a buff won’t do it. Front seats need to be redone but rest of interior ok. Engine $15-20k, interior $5k for front seats, body and paint $20 for a reasonable finish, suspension, transmission, rest - unsure. Risk factor ~ $10k, value on completion $130 - $140 if done well, price now 140 - 10 - 20 - 5 - 20 = $80-$85k.thoughts? alternately go all H. Moody and at the hypothetical low, albeit reflective purchase, attend to the Necessities leave the rest as is, drive to woolies, school pickups and excepting Victorian brethren next SMT.. What was wrong with the engine ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 30September, 2020 Report Share Posted 30September, 2020 9 minutes ago, michel said: alternately go all H. Moody and at the hypothetical low, albeit reflective purchase, attend to the Necessities leave the rest as is, drive to woolies, school pickups and excepting Victorian brethren next SMT.. What was wrong with the engine ? Perfect 993 safari candidate... michel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 30September, 2020 Report Share Posted 30September, 2020 1 minute ago, OBRUT said: Perfect 993 safari candidate... Ah yes .. and trailer hitch OBRUT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turra Posted 30September, 2020 Report Share Posted 30September, 2020 32 minutes ago, michel said: alternately go all H. Moody and at the hypothetical low, albeit reflective purchase, attend to the Necessities leave the rest as is, drive to woolies, school pickups and excepting Victorian brethren next SMT.. What was wrong with the engine ? It’s aN old porsche mate. It’s going to need $20k spent on the engine. If it hasn’t been done it’s just a matter of when. My point was really the advert was just plain misleading. Lovely car - no chance, looked after by owner - give me a break. I’m with Ryan - cut it up for a safari maybe. 😬 OBRUT, michel and GC9911 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turra Posted 1October, 2020 Report Share Posted 1October, 2020 Nope just interested in whether my maths seems appropriate. First look at the car only, if it was as advertised (lovely and well cared for) I might go to that next step but wouldn't waste my time after seeing it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 1October, 2020 Report Share Posted 1October, 2020 5 hours ago, Turra said: It’s aN old porsche mate. It’s going to need $20k spent on the engine. If it hasn’t been done it’s just a matter of when. My point was really the advert was just plain misleading. Lovely car - no chance, looked after by owner - give me a break. I’m with Ryan - cut it up for a safari maybe. 😬 I'm hearing what you are saying regarding the way it's been looked after but I have to respectfully disagree with your synopsis that just because it's an old Porsche that the engine needs $15k - $20k spent. My old SC was an '81 model and the only receipt it came with was one for an air-conditioning re-gas ... now, that was a waste of money! ... not one service receipt to be seen. I sold it like that too .. Turned out to be one of the best cars I've owned and the only money I spent on it in the 6 years of ownership was for suspension and brakes ... and I don't think that if be the only one on here with a story like that. Fair enough, don't buy a car that doesn't feel right, but just don't assume the worst in every car as you might just miss out the one that turns out to be a diamond .. Good luck in your search ... 🙂 Peter M, GusTV, micknine01 and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 1October, 2020 Report Share Posted 1October, 2020 14 hours ago, Coastr said: Some people think that they look after cars when in reality all they have done is fail to smash them into a post. 😅😅 Carrera28 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 1October, 2020 Report Share Posted 1October, 2020 7 minutes ago, LeeM said: 😅😅 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Phil Posted 1October, 2020 Report Share Posted 1October, 2020 Seems a little bit expensive https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2089976191126577 DJM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turra Posted 1October, 2020 Report Share Posted 1October, 2020 Pretty rare to come to market. Don’t be surprised Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Posted 1October, 2020 Report Share Posted 1October, 2020 3 hours ago, Lucky Phil said: Seems a little bit expensive https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/2089976191126577 You could buy 2 autos with change......😬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1q2w3e4r Posted 1October, 2020 Report Share Posted 1October, 2020 absolutely dreaming. I heard it was one of Rusty French's cars but no idea on the truth of that. You'd wander down the road with your $300k and cut a deal with Dutton's on the 997 GT2 they had for that kind of money. Or buy a 997.2/991 PDK turbo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turra Posted 1October, 2020 Report Share Posted 1October, 2020 Just told by my friend that’s more than he paid for his new Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harsh Posted 2October, 2020 Report Share Posted 2October, 2020 On 30/09/2020 at 16:41, James P said: Someone ran out of talent... 991 GT3 https://www.pickles.com.au/damaged-salvage/item/-/details/CP-01-19--Porsche--911--991-MY18-GT3-PDK--Coupe--2-Seats--2-Doors/2202666742 didn't pop the airbags! tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Phil Posted 2October, 2020 Report Share Posted 2October, 2020 1 hour ago, Harsh said: didn't pop the airbags! Cannot understand why if damage occurred whilst car was in motion. The damage to the front should have popped the drivers at least. Passenger, no problem if the seat was not occupied. Maybe it fell off a transporter or was hit whilst parked. Tips 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harsh Posted 2October, 2020 Report Share Posted 2October, 2020 2 hours ago, Lucky Phil said: Cannot understand why if damage occurred whilst car was in motion. The damage to the front should have popped the drivers at least. Passenger, no problem if the seat was not occupied. Maybe it fell off a transporter or was hit whilst parked. might be worth a bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moobs Posted 3October, 2020 Report Share Posted 3October, 2020 On 30/09/2020 at 19:04, Turra said: https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1995-porsche-911-carrera-4-993-manual-my96/SSE-AD-6721067 i went and took a look at this car yesterday. It is VERY tired. Lovely car? No, looked after by owner? No. Body and paint need complete refresh - a buff won’t do it. Front seats need to be redone but rest of interior ok. Engine $15-20k, interior $5k for front seats, body and paint $20 for a reasonable finish, suspension, transmission, rest - unsure. Risk factor ~ $10k, value on completion $130 - $140 if done well, price now 140 - 10 - 20 - 5 - 20 = $80-$85k.thoughts? I followed 993 prices closely for a long time. I didn’t end up buying one because they (manual cars) were out of my price range, but if this is a genuine 160k km manual 993 c4 what do you expect for $105k? It seems like all of the down side is already priced in - in fact a lot of people would call it patina. People pay for that shit. Good luck getting it for $85k! GTP911, Peter M and michel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whateverreally Posted 3October, 2020 Report Share Posted 3October, 2020 On 02/10/2020 at 14:37, Lucky Phil said: Cannot understand why if damage occurred whilst car was in motion. The damage to the front should have popped the drivers at least. Passenger, no problem if the seat was not occupied. Maybe it fell off a transporter or was hit whilst parked. Maybe hit while parked? Do airbags go off if ignition is off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9fan Posted 3October, 2020 Report Share Posted 3October, 2020 It has side swiped something and looks like fire extinguisher used on RR wheel, probably track related ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turra Posted 3October, 2020 Report Share Posted 3October, 2020 2 hours ago, Moobs said: I followed 993 prices closely for a long time. I didn’t end up buying one because they (manual cars) were out of my price range, but if this is a genuine 160k km manual 993 c4 what do you expect for $105k? It seems like all of the down side is already priced in - in fact a lot of people would call it patina. People pay for that shit. Good luck getting it for $85k! Seriously if you believe that scratches, fades, bumps, dents and such are patina, good luck. I see patina in graceful cars that have been cared for by knowledgeable people who respect their cars. This one has a declared seal problem quoted $7k repair cost at Cavaco, some service history, and presentation was questionable. It won’t sell for $85 I agree. michel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 4October, 2020 Report Share Posted 4October, 2020 11 hours ago, Turra said: Seriously if you believe that scratches, fades, bumps, dents and such are patina, good luck. I see patina in graceful cars that have been cared for by knowledgeable people who respect their cars. This one has a declared seal problem quoted $7k repair cost at Cavaco, some service history, and presentation was questionable. It won’t sell for $85 I agree. Sounds like a few bugattis or Postwar English iron I’ve spied or, rundown American beef cake in Havana Scratches and bumps and lumps and grease on old geeza cars authentic but, on modern classics just seen as tatty and forlorn and wastrel and equally tatty forlorn owners ? Perhaps patina a purely Personal peccadillo,; and preference postulated by persons of various Socio cultural persuasions. as for the Pricing banter who knows if its on par with condition and market perhaps not ..perhaps yes . whose ready to pony up for a PPI? tomo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 4October, 2020 Report Share Posted 4October, 2020 19 hours ago, michel said: ...Perhaps patina a purely Personal peccadillo,; and preference postulated by persons of various Socio cultural persuasions. Errr...what? 🤯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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