LeeM Posted 25January, 2021 Report Share Posted 25January, 2021 6 minutes ago, spiller said: Is that even close to what they are worth? My old man has a set of these in wide body fitment that he is considering selling. The word you're looking for is 'optimism' or "I know what I have" Like some clown trying to sell one 6" Fuchs for $3000 coupla weeks ago 😅 spiller, Fishcop and luzzo 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tips Posted 25January, 2021 Report Share Posted 25January, 2021 Speaking of optimism looking to set the high bar for 3.2 pricing https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1988-porsche-911-carrera-manual/SSE-AD-6982124 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishcop Posted 25January, 2021 Report Share Posted 25January, 2021 On 25/01/2021 at 09:00, luzzo said: Groovy wheels i noticed for sale: Gumtree: Porsche 911 964 RUF SPEEDLINE RIMS Please view this ad: Porsche 911 964 RUF SPEEDLINE RIMS,https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/blackmans-bay/wheels-tyres-rims/porsche-911-964-ruf-speedline-rims/1250725481? Price: $6,500 They've been on and off for 6 months now. They are lovely, but that's an ambitious price... 4 minutes ago, Tips said: Speaking of optimism looking to set the high bar for 3.2 pricing https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1988-porsche-911-carrera-manual/SSE-AD-6982124 Damn! And I remember when the same year Turbos hadn't cracked $100k on their recent decennial ascent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 25January, 2021 Report Share Posted 25January, 2021 1 hour ago, LeeM said: The word you're looking for is 'optimism' or "I know what I have" Like some clown trying to sell one 6" Fuchs for $3000 coupla weeks ago 😅 https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/knoxfield/wheels-tyres-rims/wtb-porsche-17-speedline-ruf-wheels-17x9-17x10/1263679132. This guy will pay 9k .. maybe someone should hook em up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 25January, 2021 Report Share Posted 25January, 2021 4 minutes ago, symsy said: https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/knoxfield/wheels-tyres-rims/wtb-porsche-17-speedline-ruf-wheels-17x9-17x10/1263679132. This guy will pay 9k .. maybe someone should hook em up Could be the same person? Bondiscwb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 25January, 2021 Report Share Posted 25January, 2021 1 hour ago, Tips said: Speaking of optimism looking to set the high bar for 3.2 pricing https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1988-porsche-911-carrera-manual/SSE-AD-6982124 Stephen for that amount I'd expect to see a bit more effort on presentation - at least the armrests straightened and the plastic cover on the alternator nut. There was an almost identical one on CS for the same amount last month but with about 100k less kilometres. It's disappeared so maybe this was the inspiration for the pricing? Still rather have a drive of Gus's: 1984 Porsche 911 Carrera Manual-SSE-AD-7011681 - carsales.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911 Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 48 minutes ago, Peter M said: Stephen for that amount I'd expect to see a bit more effort on presentation - at least the armrests straightened and the plastic cover on the alternator nut. There was an almost identical one on CS for the same amount last month but with about 100k less kilometres. It's disappeared so maybe this was the inspiration for the pricing? Still rather have a drive of Gus's: 1984 Porsche 911 Carrera Manual-SSE-AD-7011681 - carsales.com.au I've noticed the bonnet and engine lid don't sit right on the white car above. Bonnet has a bigger gap on the right side and the engine lid leans more to the right side. Quite a few cars are like this. Does it mean anything like crash history, or are they just really hard to align properly? Here is the red one above also for reference. https://ibb.co/s5W3J6M You can see the bonnet sits lower on the left side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 @wangan I haven't seen one Porsche that has perfect decklid/hood gaps. Unless a particular car has had HOURS spent with a gap gauge and being that anal about panel gaps, you'll see it on nearly every car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911 Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 5 minutes ago, LeeM said: @wangan I haven't seen one Porsche that has perfect decklid/hood gaps. Unless a particular car has had HOURS spent with a gap gauge and being that anal about panel gaps, you'll see it on nearly every car Thanks for the reply Lee. Mine are the same too. Just trying to figure out how they get like that. Is it simply from removing them? Or over time? Or accident? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishcop Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 3 minutes ago, wangan said: Thanks for the reply Lee. Mine are the same too. Just trying to figure out how they get like that. Is it simply from removing them? Or over time? Or accident? From 50 year old tooling and production... The older cars were effectively hand built. Your car could vary depending on whether Hans did the work on a Wednesday or Fritz on a Friday. I lost hours and hours getting gaps right during a rebuild, and it was apparent certain panels were 'off' from factory,. If you're after perfection you need to add metal and grind, use lots of wooden dowels and big hammers LeeM and luzzo 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epilot Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 6 minutes ago, Fishcop said: From 50 year old tooling and production... The older cars were effectively hand built. Your car could vary depending on whether Hans did the work on a Wednesday or Fritz on a Friday. I lost hours and hours getting gaps right during a rebuild, and it was apparent certain panels were 'off' from factory,. If you're after perfection you need to add metal and grind, use lots of wooden dowels and big hammers If you've recently re charged or changed your hood shocks, and they are 'over' charged, these can twist the lid, particularly the engine lid. Fishcop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911 Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 Thanks guys. I'd always assumed it was accident history. Good to have the clarification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luzzo Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 1 hour ago, symsy said: https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/knoxfield/wheels-tyres-rims/wtb-porsche-17-speedline-ruf-wheels-17x9-17x10/1263679132. This guy will pay 9k .. maybe someone should hook em up Nice find @symsy Although, this ad is after widebody version rims (and also different style wheel in his pic) 2 hours ago, spiller said: Is that even close to what they are worth? My old man has a set of these in wide body fitment that he is considering selling. Dimitri on Gumtree could be perfect for your dad @spiller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 12 minutes ago, wangan said: Thanks for the reply Lee. Mine are the same too. Just trying to figure out how they get like that. Is it simply from removing them? Or over time? Or accident? What @Fishcop said 😁 It's like people having a sook about the lack of paint in the hood/engine compartment or behind the wiper motor cover not being thick enough (not joking either!), or how much glue was used to fit the plastic behind a door trim. The builders of these old things just aimed a paint/glue gun in the general direction and pulled the trigger. We did it at Mitsubishi when I was there, and to adjust doors, hood and bootlid, we just jammed a bit of wood in there and pulled/pushed on it. The only time you'll see utter perfection is when it's done by perfectionists for perfectionists. Like when they paint the inside of a floor pan and spend months prepping, sanding and painting then sanding again. What's the point when thats nowhere near original? The guys, sorry, artisans that repaired my car here in Adelaide (Classic Porsche specialists) told me they once took 40 hours just to get one door right, which included adjusting the front guard and door up, down, in, out, twist, shout, curse, repeat 😁 Should see the De Tomaso they've been building for a client. Thats had months of bodywork, or the first year 911 Targa they have there. That's had around $200k spent JUST on bodywork! Be stuffed if I'd get that anal about it, but you get my point GusTV and 911 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 52 minutes ago, wangan said: I've noticed the bonnet and engine lid don't sit right on the white car above. Bonnet has a bigger gap on the right side and the engine lid leans more to the right side. Quite a few cars are like this. Does it mean anything like crash history, or are they just really hard to align properly? Here is the red one above also for reference. https://ibb.co/s5W3J6M You can see the bonnet sits lower on the left side. Wangan, Getting them to sit evenly is generally a matter of adjusting the rubber bump stops. They're the two knobby round things at each end of the smile that can be adjusted up or down by turning. Sometimes you have to cut the "thread" in the rubber stop a little longer with an angle grinder to get them to adjust down lower enough to get everything perfectly level when closed. Similarly with the engine lid but their stops are mounted in the lid itself. Lik Like other have said already the bonnet in particularly isn't very stiff so relies on the stops being properly adjusted to get the right "sit" One thing I love about these cars is the panel gaps. It is also the thing that strikes me about similar era 928's, how huge the bonnet gaps are, just like my '82 Holden ute, you can see the mudguard mounting bolts! Nowadays, all cars have perfect gaps due to better manufacturing tolerances. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911 Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 35 minutes ago, Peter M said: One thing I love about these cars is the panel gaps. What do you mean by that? The fact that they're not aligned properly? The rubber adjusters you've mentioned are only for height as far as I'm aware. I've tried to adjust my bonnet with them and it only really raises and lowers the panel. In some cases the panel needs to literally be pulled to the left or right (the white one in the carsales link has a larger gap on one side). Are you saying that even when new, these cars weren't aligned straight to begin with? I honestly would never have known. I have been using panel gaps for years to get an idea of accident history and from there have decided whether to look into it further I.e. PPI. Just trying to learn for myself I guess. I've seen alot of people on the forums focus on poor door gaps etc and it's kind of been pushed as a deterant. I guess that's made me more focused on panel gaps when looking to buy these early cars. I've even not bothered to look at a few, because the gaps have been pretty bad. Does anyone in what year tolerances were actually improved to the point that P cars did have perfect gaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
epilot Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 1 hour ago, wangan said: What do you mean by that? The fact that they're not aligned properly? The rubber adjusters you've mentioned are only for height as far as I'm aware. I've tried to adjust my bonnet with them and it only really raises and lowers the panel. In some cases the panel needs to literally be pulled to the left or right (the white one in the carsales link has a larger gap on one side). Are you saying that even when new, these cars weren't aligned straight to begin with? I honestly would never have known. I have been using panel gaps for years to get an idea of accident history and from there have decided whether to look into it further I.e. PPI. Just trying to learn for myself I guess. I've seen alot of people on the forums focus on poor door gaps etc and it's kind of been pushed as a deterant. I guess that's made me more focused on panel gaps when looking to buy these early cars. I've even not bothered to look at a few, because the gaps have been pretty bad. Does anyone in what year tolerances were actually improved to the point that P cars did have perfect gaps? Going back to what John said earlier, it's easy to forget just how hand built these cars were well in to the '80's. Whilst this whole vid is worth watching if you scroll through to about 12:30 it's pretty scary ... Factory tolerance is 3.5-4.0mm for gaps pre '73 not sure after that, HTH. t888, Fishcop, Dalai and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 2 hours ago, wangan said: What do you mean by that? The fact that they're not aligned properly? LOL! No, because they are so good compared to the other cars of that era that I grew up with! Sorry I wasn't clearer. I would expect they left the factory pretty perfect and as John has suggested, probably due to a lot of grunt, lead and hand file work The fact that even the cheapest cars nowadays seem to have perfect panel joints diminishes that this was not always the way. I didn't really comment on panel gaps in my earlier post as I thought the boys covered that pretty well and focused on getting the frunk and engine lids level as I didn't think that had been covered adequately. However using panel gaps as the only indicator of crash damage is a bit of a long bow as uneven gaps could be the result of a number of other more innocent things too like door sag or simply the lid isn't centred in it's opening requiring the bolts to be loosened and reset or the hinge itself "tweaked" left or right. Since these cars are all 30+ years old some "redistribution" of panel gaps is probably to be expected through normal use and I would not use this as the only reason to dismiss a car. GusTV, Rob and michel 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 24 minutes ago, Peter M said: Since these cars are all 30+ years old some "redistribution" of panel gaps is probably to be expected through normal use and I would not use this as the only reason to dismiss a car. nice summary we Would call this characterful or charming firstone, Peter M and GusTV 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
symsy Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 1 hour ago, michel said: nice summary we Would call this characterful or charming I get that angle too.. Must be only on Euro cars .. not aussie delivered ones michel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZ930 Posted 26January, 2021 Report Share Posted 26January, 2021 Like the shot of the instrument wiring....it didn’t improve and ”sports car drivers like to shift gears themselves” 🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luzzo Posted 27January, 2021 Report Share Posted 27January, 2021 New Listing - 996.2 Manual Coupe It's almost 'rare' to see one of these on the market at the moment. Reasonable kms - 131,000 and reasonable price $63,000 2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 6 Sp Manual 2d Coupe,https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/valentine/cars-vans-utes/2004-porsche-911-carrera-6-sp-manual-2d-coupe/1266887802?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=android_VIP_sticky Fishcop, TINGY and Tips 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 27January, 2021 Report Share Posted 27January, 2021 47 minutes ago, luzzo said: New Listing - 996.2 Manual Coupe It's almost 'rare' to see one of these on the market at the moment. Reasonable kms - 131,000 and reasonable price $63,000 2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 6 Sp Manual 2d Coupe,https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/valentine/cars-vans-utes/2004-porsche-911-carrera-6-sp-manual-2d-coupe/1266887802?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=android_VIP_sticky Belongs to a member on here. Have had many an SMT with both him and the car .. Fishcop 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tips Posted 27January, 2021 Report Share Posted 27January, 2021 1 hour ago, Dreamr said: Belongs to a member on here. Have had many an SMT with both him and the car .. yes thought so. Have seen that car pointed at by a constable in an unmarked 5 series who going the other way on the Putty road one Sunday, lucky he had backed off for traffic at that point 😂.. Has me thinking what's next, has he caught the C4S bug or maybe air cooled (finally) 😀 Dreamr and TINGY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fishcop Posted 27January, 2021 Report Share Posted 27January, 2021 2 hours ago, luzzo said: New Listing - 996.2 Manual Coupe It's almost 'rare' to see one of these on the market at the moment. Reasonable kms - 131,000 and reasonable price $63,000 2004 Porsche 911 Carrera 6 Sp Manual 2d Coupe,https://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/valentine/cars-vans-utes/2004-porsche-911-carrera-6-sp-manual-2d-coupe/1266887802?utm_source=gmail&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=socialbuttons&utm_content=android_VIP_sticky Honest car this one... Dreamr and TINGY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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