Whats for sale (in Australia ) and interesting Thread

[luzzo]

11 minutes ago, wegentop said:

did anyone here see a 997.2 GT3RS that was post on the carsales yesterday ?

The Ad is currently "on hold". 

 

I found something strange on the car, feel free to message me if you are the buyer.

 

Yes, It's been discussed on the 997GT3 Market watch thread:

 

 

[JLD]

7 hours ago, wegentop said:

did anyone here see a 997.2 GT3RS that was post on the carsales yesterday ?

The Ad is currently "on hold". 

 

I found something strange on the car, feel free to message me if you are the buyer.

Is it the odometer going backwards?

[wegentop]

11 hours ago, JLD said:

Is it the odometer going backwards?

Yes 🥶

[cs124]

Anyone know anything about this car?
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1969-porsche-912-manual/SSE-AD-7120287

A mate is interested but the car’s in Perth and he’s in Melbourne so he wouldn’t mind some insight before he tries to organise a PPI.

Cheers.

[9er]

12 hours ago, cs124 said:

Anyone know anything about this car?
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1969-porsche-912-manual/SSE-AD-7120287

A mate is interested but the car’s in Perth and he’s in Melbourne so he wouldn’t mind some insight before he tries to organise a PPI.

Cheers.

I can't see anything that scares me in the pictures (except that its a Targa😉)

Super cheap.

[rafikdous]

18 hours ago, cs124 said:

Anyone know anything about this car?
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1969-porsche-912-manual/SSE-AD-7120287

A mate is interested but the car’s in Perth and he’s in Melbourne so he wouldn’t mind some insight before he tries to organise a PPI.

Cheers.

Nothing too major wrong with it from the photos. What I noticed:

- bumper guards should have the rubber pads on them

- missing the sill decos

- cheap 009 dizzy. Definitely not suitable for a 912 engine

- cheap air cleaners

- i am pretty certain a '69 should have Solex not Zenith carbies

- plastic fuel filter in the engine bay and so damn close to the exhaust and case. Disaster waiting to happen

- no heater

- left door bottom is not aligned with the sill. One or the either could be bogged

The cheap dizzy, wrong carbies, fuel filter location and cheap air cleaners could be telling this car is/was maintained on the cheap

But then again, the guy is not asking $80k+

[LeeM]

12 minutes ago, rafikdous said:

 

- bumper guards should have the rubber pads on them

- missing the sill decos

But then again, the guy is not asking $80k+

 To be picky.  Rear bumper deco trim is the wider S, and the front is a standard one, but as you say, its priced accordingly

[MichaelF]

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1984-porsche-911-junior

To keep the kids happy...

[JLD]

8 minutes ago, MichaelF said:

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1984-porsche-911-junior

To keep the kids happy...

20% discount, it's left hand drive

[jakroo]

31 minutes ago, MichaelF said:

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1984-porsche-911-junior

To keep the kids happy...

@Dreamr please don't include a photo of a kid sitting in it.  You've seen the hyperbole about having a child sitting on the fender of a different vehicle, imagine the outrage if they were actually in the car.... I'd hate to see this happen to your sale.

[TwoHeadsTas]

1 hour ago, MichaelF said:

https://collectingcars.com/for-sale/1984-porsche-911-junior

To keep the kids happy...

This almost fits in with the current discussion on the F1 thread about Porsche and Honda......

[Dreamr]

2 hours ago, jakroo said:

@Dreamr please don't include a photo of a kid sitting in it.  You've seen the hyperbole about having a child sitting on the fender of a different vehicle, imagine the outrage if they were actually in the car.... I'd hate to see this happen to your sale.

Is this your way of having my back?? ..

If putting a kid in it, on it or even under it opens your wallet, just say the word! .. 😅

[JV911]

https://tradinggarage.com/product/2018-porsche-917k-replica/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=facebook-paid&utm_campaign=Conversions+-+Registered+Bidders&utm_content=Carousel+-+2018+Porsche+917K+Replica+-+Copy

 

[Bandyboy33]

On 10/05/2021 at 12:42, wegentop said:

did anyone here see a 997.2 GT3RS that was post on the carsales yesterday ?

The Ad is currently "on hold". 

 

I found something strange on the car, feel free to message me if you are the buyer.

Did you see what price it was advertised? 

[James P]

^$428k

[LeeM]

1 hour ago, JV911 said:

https://tradinggarage.com/product/2018-porsche-917k-replica/?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=facebook-paid&utm_campaign=Conversions+-+Registered+Bidders&utm_content=Carousel+-+2018+Porsche+917K+Replica+-+Copy

 

 I dream of owning that very car every day ☹

[Thommo66]

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1995-porsche-911-carrera-993-manual/SSE-AD-7200266/?Cr=0

My intent is not to offend any forum members if this is your P but I feel like the market has gone nuts when I see this 993 Ad.   It's got >260k on the clock and it's an earlier '95 993 - not the more appealing '96/97 models with the variocam.   No doubt it's a lovely 993 specimen and well looked after/serviced but ! ....  you would expect to see this for ~ 90-100k only 2yrs ago with this sort of mileage.   For 190k you would expect to be able to buy the top of the range 993 CS4 manual with <100k's.   I guess we are all in the same boat now if flipping but we are all paying more $$ sure ! 

[Turra]

Engine rebuild might justify a premium but as per the famous line in that Australian icon, The Castle, “tell him he’s dreaming”

[SS 3]

16 hours ago, Thommo66 said:

https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/details/1995-porsche-911-carrera-993-manual/SSE-AD-7200266/?Cr=0

My intent is not to offend any forum members if this is your P but I feel like the market has gone nuts when I see this 993 Ad.   It's got >260k on the clock and it's an earlier '95 993 - not the more appealing '96/97 models with the variocam.   No doubt it's a lovely 993 specimen and well looked after/serviced but ! ....  you would expect to see this for ~ 90-100k only 2yrs ago with this sort of mileage.   For 190k you would expect to be able to buy the top of the range 993 CS4 manual with <100k's.   I guess we are all in the same boat now if flipping but we are all paying more $$ sure ! 

Its just the start with the 993 the thing is they are that good. Quote from Geoff Dutton this week when i called past  “Porsche or any other manufacturer will never make a car that well ever again. it was the high watermark of quality builds and these cars will do any amount of kms. If the servicing is kept up they are the sort of car that will feel as good as new regardless of kms when kept this way… I cant say that about another car”   not my words!!

Time will tell i guess 

note Duttons sold a C2s auto for circa 300k in the last few weeks 

 

[911]

Has anyone looked at the red 3.2 G50 in QLD? 

Been up for a while now. Market has gone crazy. Thought it would have sold by now. 

[SS 3]

3 hours ago, mrar said:

Reading this above reminded me of an article i read in classic porsche #71 recently.

Had a great write up on porsche specialist in uk, Russell Lewis.

Started his porsche career back in 74, anyway the article has great info on 915 gearbox. 

But this stuck in my head regarding the build change on the 993 model and that if I remember correctly there was an issue with the frt/rear screens.

Here is a quote from the actricle about the body.

"Russell is not much involved with the (post-1997) water cooled engines. Its a question of price,he says,adding that the early evidence of cost reducing design was first apparent on the 993:Porsche had the Japanese time and motion people in and they recommended 10-spot instead of 12-spot welding on the body. Thats why the body flexes: it breaks the glue bonding the windscreens which is why the winscreen creaks. That was the start of it. On the air-cooled cars I could put my hand up inside the door - no sharp edges,but with the 996, I always managed to cut myself. That said,things did improve:the 997 is better made than 996."

 

 

Brave man to discredit the build quality of the 993. 

[Peter M]

6 hours ago, mrar said:

"Russell is not much involved with the (post-1997) water cooled engines. Its a question of price,he says,adding that the early evidence of cost reducing design was first apparent on the 993:Porsche had the Japanese time and motion people in and they recommended 10-spot instead of 12-spot welding on the body. Thats why the body flexes: it breaks the glue bonding the windscreens which is why the winscreen creaks. That was the start of it......"

What bullshit.  A reduction of 2 spot welds causes the body to flex!  Bullshit.

Breaks the windscreen bond? Bullshit.  Never seen nor read of any reports of windscreen bond issues.  Everything I've seen points to what a pain it is to remove the screens because of the good bond and seal.

All car bodies flex to some degree, its not a binary thing.  993 windscreens creak because of their inner sealing filler strip can be particularly vocal if it cold and they're not given the odd squirt of silicon spray. 

If 993 bodies are so flexy, why don't they crack from fatigue like 260Z's and other Japanese cars of the 70's? 

One of the many things I like about 911's is how solid and long lasting their body shells are.

The other comment that the number of cuts to your hand is an indicator of declining quality is also a long bow.

Soon as I saw the statement "Japanese time and motion people" I could see the steaming pile of BS forming and no understanding of quality.  The introduction of Lean thinking not only saved the company but resulted in the first defect free 911 to roll off the production line on 27 July 1994. 

However I think Geoff Dutton's stretching things a bit to far the other way with 993's and is obviously forgetting some of their foibles like oil leaks, lazy cam chain tensioners, corroding evaporators and weak door stay mounts for example but I agree they are wonderful to own, long lasting and I'd have another tomorrow!   

   

[symsy]

Look 993s are simply the best lets stop this debate ...... I would have thought the biggest factor was the trendy outlook to have sunroofs in that era -  when it comes to flex...

The internet is king and google is the new advisor , what does that say , it has replaced these personal opinions guys .. come on lets get up to date here 

Well OKAY unless your ELON an we can follow him on BITCOIN and crapy EV cars to name but a few things or a if you have a really super cute gorgeous instagram influencer body which he dont and I dont suppose the people being quoted here do either??

I also really dont know Mr Dutton at any level or the people being quoted but really

Car salesmen as quality assurance advocates ..? Well its like getting an engineering review done by a lego builder.

Or 

Taking advice from the uni student on a best bottle of red in the bottle shop, the fundamentals are generally the same .. price 

GURUS and CAR GURUS  - Gotta love them Greatly Understood Relatively Useless

Im glad that Im not active in the market, you gotta question the true value of these cars..when you justify them against your previously paid emotional purchase scale, we will all want to uphold them.. but really the various G bodies , 964 and now 993 all have a lot of hot air flat six flatulence in their value bench mark.

Ohh I better go dashing off to view some real estate in another fairy dust economy that we live with, no doubt the real estate check in dude , will shower me with the best of architectural and building renovations advice, doubtful interior design tips and will be quoting the council building codes with eloquence.  

Hands up who bought the underbody paint protection from the dealer in the 70s, 80 or 90s when ordering their new car .. gotta have a laugh how we get advice from these folk with motivation for their commission or bottom line ? 

PS As a very astute buyer I have no sunroof in my 993 but I can tell ya something at the backend flexes cos the fricken boot hoses pop off on 993s

@Scott SS964 Im an Ex GT car owner whos a member of the  993 love community too mate .. 

 

 

 

[LeeM]

 "Well it's like getting an engineer review done by a Lego builder" 

😂😂😂 That's gold right there @symsy 😂

[Peter M]

7 hours ago, mrar said:

Give him a ring and ask him about it.

Here's some detail from the story.

Russell Lewis

RSR Engineering 

Tel: 07836 573573

Ask him about being technician of the year 1988 to 1990.

And when he was admitted to compete in Porsche worldwide technician of the year.

Sat in zuffenhausen where he came out classed as one of porsches top five technicians worldwide.

The info in the article regarding the 915 was spot on once I tried what he suggested.

Hi mrar,

I apologise for my snarky response.  I should have been respectfully skeptical.

Reading the actual article itself still doesn't fill me with confidence.  I did check it wasn't dated 1 April.

PressReader.com - Your favorite newspapers and magazines.

Did you think it was odd that he states RSR is never about bodywork and then spends 1/2 the article talking about body matters?

His advice on 915's is contrary to any I've heard and my own experience.  There are good reasons Porsche dumped this gearbox and their propriety synchroniser design.  However I am pleased his advice has worked for you.

I'm sure Russell would be great to have a beer with and has obviously been a very successful mechanic but some of his technical reasoning leaves me cold.

I apologise again for my snarkiness but was just responding to assertions that I believe to be misleading.