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Hi everyone,

 

This is my first day as a forum member but my second post. The first post was to congratulate another forum member for buying the same red 964 'RS' i was looking at for myself. His purchase has left me with a bit of an issue - I have been looking for the last 2-3 months for a decent 964 C2 with a manual box, but haven't found one I'd be happy buying - or that doesn't need a bucket load of work to be daily-drivable.

 

I've spent a long time dreaming, researching, understanding the car and why I'd prefer a 964 over an SC or a post '95 993, and I think it just comes down to the fact that they're a demonstration of what Porsche was, and where it is now - the 964 really marked the change and I think its a great model to own, plus I've driven a few and they're great fun. But I've only just got in to a position where I can actually buy one with the confidence I can ride the ups (more) and downs (less) of owership - and have the time to put into the car and make it my own. 

 

So if any of you have any advice, feedback, knowledge of a good car or your own experience of owning a 964 it would be great to hear from you.

 

Cheers,

AL911

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Hi AL911, welcome and good luck with your car search. A lot of knowledgeable people here to help.

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Welcome to the forum and good luck with the hunt.

You've only been looking for 2-3 months which is not a very long period, nice Carrera 2s are quite rare as you have discovered.

964 is a perfect 911 IMHO, I would have one over a 993 any day.

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Welcome to the forum.

 

Best of luck on the search. You might have to look far and wide for a car but it will turn up.

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Buy this -

 

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And this -

 

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Read this - it may even change your mind on C4s!

 

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This is fun reading -

 

http://www.early911sregistry.org/forums/showthread.php?60034-90s-R-Gruppe-911

 

And finally, as has been said already, enjoy the hunt.

 

It took me three years and several PPIs to find mine, but I was very picky.

 

However, I would not have minded a C4 over a C2, I was just after one in good nick!

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You have to be searching all the time via Carsales, Gumtree, ebay, Porsche Club Classifieds, local specialists to find these cars.

 

A 964 or 993 C2 Manual are highly coveted and there are many new enthusiasts enetring the market looking for the right 964/993 C2 Manual.

 

So,

 

1) You need to be ready with your cash to go.Seek approval in full from any joint financial decision makers 

2) You need to engage with a specialist that you can get to know and trust to do your PPI at the drop of a Hat and make offers based on the results of the PPI, should there be any items that need attention.(Noting you are in Sydney and there are many good specialists there, Autohaus Hamilton come with great recommendations)

3) Buy on condition, condition and condition. Not 'import status' or lower Km's. Condition = well cared for, Condition = no financial shortcuts in maintenance, Condition= Good car. (obviously bad condition = higher propensity to empty your wallet)

4) Don't be too fickle about Colour, wheels, Odd steering wheels, strange stereo;s, worn seats and minor body dings. These can all be put right easily and at relative reasonable cost as opposed to another 6 months of painful searching

5) Do not agree on a price before driving the car or having it inspected. Or if you have to, agree on a price subject to full inspection and adjustment relative to cost to rectify items. ie: Major driveline or engine problems.

6) Do not let anyone bully or force you into buying a car. You are the buyer, you do it on your 'reasonable' terms.

 

Item # 3 generally negates all of the above as if the car has been clearly cared for, lavished and comes with a stack of history and Invoices a PPI is just good insurance to confirm your gut instinct.

 

Oh and dont be afraid to travel and have a car shipped to you, its easy and cheaper than you may expect. Just ensure that the seller can give you first refusal if you jump on a plane in a mutually agreed timeframe(and locate a decent specialist near the car to do the PPI)

 

Remember, its not the kill, its the thrill of the chase.

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1) You need to be ready with your cash to go.Seek approval in full from any joint financial decision makers 

5) Do not agree on a price before driving the car or having it inspected. Or if you have to, agree on a price subject to full inspection and adjustment relative to cost to rectify items. ie: Major driveline or engine problems.

 

Oh and dont be afraid to travel and have a car shipped to you, its easy and cheaper than you may expect. Just ensure that the seller can give you first refusal if you jump on a plane in a mutually agreed timeframe(and locate a decent specialist near the car to do the PPI)

 

Agree to everything Wasserkuhl said.  a couple of comments i would add:

 

1) sounds like Al would have bought my 964 had i not jumped on it as soon as i saw it.  i had cash ready to go so i could negotiate with confidence that i was a genuine buyer, ready to go.  Owner quickly got the message i was serious and keen and so was happy to take off market in good faith with no deposit (even though i offered)

5) i negotiated price over the phone sight unseen to take it off the market, sent an email confirming the deal, subject to the PPI and listing what he had told me (so if anything was not as he told me, i could walk away) then had PPI done which came up trumps then flew over to finalise the deal.  The risk was a $380 PPI then a $450 flight but with a verbal description, photos and a detailed PPI, it was a fair gamble.

 

Interstate is no issue - cost me $450 to get to Perth and back and $650 to ship the car to my door in Vic.  Sure it added a grand to the deal but it was still worth it IMO and i'll keep it for a long while.  i wasnt in it to recover my investment at the other end, that will be a bonus if it happens.

 

By the way Al, i bought mine as a weekender but having driven it around Perth for several hours the day i bought it, i was blown away by how tight the thing is and (other than pox A/C) i realistically could drive the thing every day.  I reckon the Golf will become my weekender!

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Welcome Al and good luck with your search. A 964 would be my choice if I had the budget. For all the reasons you state and it's the most refined of the 'classic' shape.

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I am flying to Sydney on Monday morning, will be there for a week.

 

Staying at the Rocks.

 

Promised my wife I wouldn't look at cars.

 

I will.

You could take a morning walk across the bridge to the Throttle Shop!

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Wow guys - thanks for the feedback and the help - the hunt is on, the wallet primed and the specialists at the ready - I have been in contact with the guys at PR technology, but will reach out to Autohaus as they have a good reputation.

 

I went to the Porsche Club NSW Concourse on Sunday. Was a good day and there were some great examples there - though my highlight a navy 964 RS which is one of nine in the country. Originally I'm from Melbourne and I went to the VIC concourse a couple of year back - I think sydney could do with a better showing and an earlier date ion the year (was 32deg).

 

Again, thanks for the info and if you see a manual C2 pop up please do let me know.

 

Cheers,

Al.

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Al,

This one might be worth checking out if you want a manual C2 given they are frankly rare: http://www.pcv.com.au/PorscheClubs/pc_victoria/pc_main.nsf/web/B88867B527091D58C1257B5600312F57#pagetop

 

Been for sale for a while, needs to have the clutch replaced and has over 250,000km .  I posted details of my discussion with the owner somewhere on this forum and can find it if you're keen.

 

However if you want a 964, don't dismiss a C4 or a Tip because it adds to your potential pool of choice and its condition, condition, condition in the end that counts - and really if you wanted the fastest thing on the block, you wouldn't be looking at twenty something year old cars......

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Thanks Peter, I have tried this guy four times and can't get to call me back. I suspect everyone has peppered him with questions and he's tired of trying to sell it...

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Hi - just a reminder/check-in on this thread to see if any vehicles have poppoed up in conversation or online (none so far from what I can see)

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There certainly seems to be a dearth of them at the moment. On carsales I count 17 964s; out of which 10 are manuals; out of which 5 are coupes; out of which none are C2s. There's a red C2 widebody cab that piques my interest, mainly because the price jumped from $47900 to $65K last week. An Aussie delivered widebody manual C2 cab is a rare Beastie, and at the original price it would have been an absolute steal.

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Thats right! and plenty of C4's. There's heaps of cab's none of which interest me - or perhaps i should consider putting a roof on one of them? Sacrilegious but just a thought..!

 

I think there's a churning, volatile price on these cars at the moment, when one goes up online a few more follow. I don't actually think the prices on SC's and 3.2's are sustainable in the $55-$65k mark - especially as many of them are simple polished and not maintained.

 

Would jump at a C2 manual - 'Chris' and his white C2 still hasn't called me back - my 6th attempt..

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I don't want to stir up a hornets nest here, but if it wasn't for Australia's import laws/rules/taxes there would probably be a lot more private imports of the 964 variety.  There are certainly some nice examples in New Zealand.

 

Again mostly tiptronic

 

http://www.trademe.co.nz/motors/used-cars/porsche/911/auction-582728868.htm

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..... I don't actually think the prices on SC's and 3.2's are sustainable in the $55-$65k mark - especially as many of them are simple polished and not maintained.....

 

Al,

Wouldn't hold your breath!  Sure, the mutton dressed as lamb ones will linger in the market place but the finite supply of really good Australia delivered ones will command these prices and I can't see how these can become cheaper.  The last contraction of the economy didn't seem to cause much of a hiccup.     

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It might be worth chatting to a few independent specialists to introduce yourself and let them know what you're looking for. Many an elusive Porsche purchase has been made by the workshops putting the word out to their customers...

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Fair enough.

My point was that the 'mutton' has unrealistice prices attached, probably because there's few quality cars on the market. Either way I'm still keen to pick up a decent 964 if there's one lurking around. I found out one was sold by a fellow PF member only a couple of weeks back so hopefully luck and some sniffing will steer one my way at some point.

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Hey AL911. I've recently been on the phone with the owner of this car:

 

http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-1133088&Cr=8

 

I also spoke with Matt at Weltmeister who's been servicing it since the current owner has had it (7 years??).  Matt said it was a straight, solid and well maintained car (ie. owner did all the recommended repairs & maintenance), though it hasn't been driven much for some time (12-18 months?) so would need a full service to refresh things.  The owner is planning to move overseas and seems fairly reasonable over the phone, so there might be room for negotiation.  It's not the owners first P-Car, and it sounds like he knows his stuff.

 

If you can get past the colour combo and the C4 (which I think isn't as bad as everyone says), initial talks with the owner and Matt suggest it might be worth further investigation.

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Hi mate - thanks very much for coming forward with that. There's a couple of guards red ones in NSW and QLD which have a good history, both C4's.

 

So I'm very keen to lock in a great car for my first P experience and am looking forward to the ownership ride, and to working on the car. And I would look at a owning a great SC or a 3.2, and I've even considered going down the path of a 930 because I think they're so iconic and a classic '80's' icon - all for the classic driving experience before tip and 4WD came to pass. But the key thing for me is that I want to buy a car of someone that's really been enthused by owning that car and wants to pass it on to someone that's just as keen to both drive it and keep in great order

 

But at the moment the 964 C2 Man. stands out from my perspective and the rest are secondary considerations because I think it will be the most enjoyable car for me. I've thought about going through the process of bringing a car back to scratch but almost everyone suggests its a slide best avoided.

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