Tit Posted 15November, 2013 Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 Hey All. I've been in the market for about 18 months now, looking mainly for a good quality 911 SC. I've drifted over to 3.2s and 964s as well since my search began. I've been ready to buy on three cars, only to be 'pipped at the post' by another buyer or the PPI coming back with bad news. So, what I'm after: Coupe (no targas or soft-tops please!) Rebuilt engine Original RHD (no conversions). AUS delivered would be great, but will consider on condition Solid service history Manual Solid body (no dodgy accident repairs) Unmolested and original - No dodgy mods - evidence of poor taste tends to point to shortcuts taken with the car's maintenance... Budget - trying to stay under $50k. I've been looking mainly in Sydney and Canberra because, with a full time job, jetting around the country-side starts to wear a bit thin with the boss. Also, Would some of you with a bit of knowledge in the other states be willing to help out with verifying for me if a car is worth getting on a plane for and spending money on a PPI? I would be willing to compensate you with booze and gratitude... Finally, I can see carsales, my105, Gumtree and eBay and the state Porsche clubs websites. But it seems to me that there's a bunch of cars that aren't seen in the open market? BTW...I know I'm not Robinson Crusoe in this quest! Thanks in advance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 15November, 2013 Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 how have you found meeting those criteria - finding something with a rebuilt engine that is for sale seems like it'd be a weird thing (you'd think people would want to enjoy what they just did) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tony Posted 15November, 2013 Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 how have you found meeting those criteria - finding something with a rebuilt engine that is for sale seems like it'd be a weird thing (you'd think people would want to enjoy what they just did) Yeah, given the $$$$ one would spend, would be odd unless they were desperate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 15November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 Two of the three that I was ready to move on had bottom-end rebuilds. All three at least had the cylinder heads off for whatever reason. Though they were several years before - between 20,000 and 60,000km prior to the sale. So I'm not likely to find one that 'just had it done'. They're out there - I guess patience is part of 'the hunt'... (I can see three 3.2's in Melbourne that might be worth a plane ride...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tony Posted 15November, 2013 Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 (I can see three 3.2's in Melbourne that might be worth a plane ride...) Which ones are you keen on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlitzKonig Posted 15November, 2013 Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 Seems were after very similar cars. Best of luck to us both. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 15November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 Seems were after very similar cars. Best of luck to us both. Ha - everywhere I've been, there was some guy from SA that had been there just before me. Like I said. I'm not Robinson Crusoe! Which ones are you keen on? Not all have had rebuilds... And there aren't many SC's that are unmolested... Victoria: http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=SSE-AD-1093729 http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=SSE-AD-2445156 http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=SSE-AD-2252540 http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=SSE-AD-2364594 http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=AGC-AD-14821874 SA & WA: http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=SSE-AD-2083358 http://www.carsales.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?Cr=0&R=AGC-AD-14709896 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 15November, 2013 Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 That blue 86 Carrera is pretty. Pity it would probably have the 930.21 152kW motor tuned for 91RON which was the only unleaded available at the time compared to the earlier 170kW ones and later 160'sHaving just gone through the purchase phase I suggest you relax the engine rebuild requirement because in the price range you are looking there are often cars that are a long way off needing engine work. Also given the miles most of these do nowadays since are not used as daily drivers, even a high kilometre example may be still a decade or more off needing a rebuilt.(My 85 has only averaged 2000km/yr for the last decade.)Be guided by your PPI is probably a better approach I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 15November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 That blue 86 Carrera is pretty. Pity it would probably have the 930.21 152kW motor tuned for 91RON which was the only unleaded available at the time compared to the earlier 170kW ones and later 160's Having just gone through the purchase phase I suggest you relax the engine rebuild requirement because in the price range you are looking there are often cars that are a long way off needing engine work. Also given the miles most of these do nowadays since are not used as daily drivers, even a high kilometre example may be still a decade or more off needing a rebuilt. Be guided by your PPI is probably a better approach I think. re: engine rebuilds. I suspect you're right! I'm sure I'll feel more objective tomorrow. I started this thread out of frustration a few hours after a bad PPI!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Tony Posted 15November, 2013 Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 I really like the paint on that blue one too.. As Peter mentioned, one of the things to consider is the power output between the 3.2's. I havent driven a lower spec car, but others have mentioned the difference is quite noticeable The one in SA, for a second i thought my car was up for sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 15November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 haha.. yeah - there's a few white 3.2's out there at the moment. A mate of mine was in Adelaide at the start of the week, and he ran out of time to check that one out for me. I really like the paint on that blue one too.. As Peter mentioned, one of the things to consider is the power output between the 3.2's. I havent driven a lower spec car, but others have mentioned the difference is quite noticeable The one in SA, for a second i thought my car was up for sale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasserkuhl Posted 15November, 2013 Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 If you're doing a bottom end rebuild, you may as well do the top end whilst you are there. Thats when you're invoice will total 20k+ most mezger flat sixes will not need a bottom end rebuild until at least 250k km's, unless the following has occured : Wrong oil has been used Long or no service intervals have been observed Extreme heat as a result of the above. Top end rebuilds are purely to refresh the heads, Barrells, pistons and rings if they are outside wear tolerances and excessive oil consumption and or low compression is present. Head studs can break and pull which can trigger a top end refresh. On the odd occasion intermediate shaft bearings and oil pumps can fail as well. A Proper PPI can and would reveal the need for any of the above. I'd strongly recommend that you target cars that have been cherished and buy on condition. for your budget, you may well find a 964 that has had a top end rebuild and may have covered 150 - 200k km's. Don't be put off by km's, just view each car on its condition, history and most of all, the way it makes you smile like a Tit when at the wheel. No Smile= No Purchase. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 15November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 Thanks Wasser. Even the shitty ones make me smile!!! As for PPI - Hamiltons saved me considerale hassle today...but I'm sure the owner had no idea before that. He didn't seem to know much about cars. He was just going on what his small independant mechanic of six years had been telling him. Poor guy was shocked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TE911 Posted 15November, 2013 Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 I know one in Sydney you might like, but it is a UK import http://www.claytonbespoke.com.au/car-gallery/porsche/299/1988-porsche-911-carrera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 15November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 Yeah. Saw that one (http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=AGC-AD-14158369&Cr=8) . Wonder what makes seller think it's worth 5-10k above current market? Does anyone else wonder about English cars and rust? I know one in Sydney you might like, but it is a UK import http://www.claytonbespoke.com.au/car-gallery/porsche/299/1988-porsche-911-carrera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 15November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 15November, 2013 Can anyone reccomend a reliable place in Melbourne to do a PPI? BTW - thanks for everyone's help so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlitzKonig Posted 16November, 2013 Report Share Posted 16November, 2013 Weltmeister seem to be the most favorable. Very friendly and knowledgeable when I was on the phone to them regarding a PPI interstate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
84911C Posted 17November, 2013 Report Share Posted 17November, 2013 Yeah. Saw that one (http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/dealer/details.aspx?R=AGC-AD-14158369&Cr=8) . Wonder what makes seller think it's worth 5-10k above current market? Does anyone else wonder about English cars and rust? Yep seems a lot for an import too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamWolf Posted 17November, 2013 Report Share Posted 17November, 2013 Does anyone else wonder about English cars and rust? If it's been here for less than two years, then yes. If it's been here for longer than 5 and there's no rust or rust repairs thaen it probably won't ever have a problem. They break out in rust pretty quick, so once they are here for a while if there's no signs of it then you shouldn't need to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 17November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 17November, 2013 Yep. That's who I was looking at. Mainly due to their location and rep. I saw a bunch of discussion in PFA about the other states, but I missed the one about Vic. I found these two pages from the 928 and PP forums, though: http://forums.pelicanparts.com/new-zealand-australia/206860-ppis-melbourne-whats-going.html http://www.landsharkoz.com/tt/ttrepairs.htm Weltmeister seem to be the most favorable. Very friendly and knowledgeable when I was on the phone to them regarding a PPI interstate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 28November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 28November, 2013 Seach over. "Phase 2" begins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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