tazzieman Posted 25March, 2014 Report Share Posted 25March, 2014 Old article , good for those who think a 930 is overpriced (for them or whatever). http://944turbo.net/?p=612 Who's Derek Bell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myred911 Posted 25March, 2014 Report Share Posted 25March, 2014 Old article , good for those who think a 930 is overpriced (for them or whatever). http://944turbo.net/?p=612 Who's Derek Bell Great article, well spotted, Bell was here a year or so ago. Possibly at the Motorclassica. Confirmation sought from suitably knowledgeable person(s) with a motoring bent. Am sure you are joshing with us T! rEd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted 25March, 2014 Report Share Posted 25March, 2014 I've seen this one pop up heaps! All i can say is that did get some nice race cars out of the 924/944 series!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 25March, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 25March, 2014 I've seen this one pop up heaps! All i can say is that did get some nice race cars out of the 924/944 series!! I'm sure I've seen it before , like the headlights they do pop up here and there! Derek still has his 924GTR "present" doesn't he? and MYRED911 , I never josh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted 25March, 2014 Report Share Posted 25March, 2014 He has the red GTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted 25March, 2014 Report Share Posted 25March, 2014 http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/924-931-944-951-968-forum/722365-924-gt-r-derek-bell.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 7April, 2014 Report Share Posted 7April, 2014 Good article. I think this sums up my motoring bias. "An automobile that talks to you, involves you, and demands respect from you is something you can enjoy no matter what som great cosmic Average Speed Meter might be reading. In fact, you can enjoy a communicative sports car even when you’re not going fast." No doubt the 944 is a beautifully balanced, capable car. Perfect for trying to get the fastest time and cleanest lap. Just a bit too clinical for me. I'll take the 11 thanks. Always a challenge, always fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 7April, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 7April, 2014 No doubt the 944 is a beautifully balanced, capable car. Perfect for trying to get the fastest time and cleanest lap. Just a bit too clinical for me. I'll take the 11 thanks. Always a challenge, always fun. Some would say , always the widowmaker! Though my neighbour escaped that fate , to win his class in an '81 930 at targa tas a few years ago. "Some say , his nads are the size of Mt Everest..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
333pg333 Posted 30April, 2014 Report Share Posted 30April, 2014 I was at a car show a few years ago on some very nice school grounds at Manly in Sydney. I knew Derek Bell was going to be there and managed to get him to sign my helmet. "Dear Pat, thanks for all the tips". Can't say he was delighted by this. Seemed pretty grumpy in general but I did ask him about the GTS which appeared to spark him up a degree or two. Didn't get more than a few words out of him though. lol at a car with trailing arm rear suspension, optional abs, no computer nanny enhancements etc being too clinical...hahaha. While there's no doubting the involvement that early 911's give due to the inherent design deficiencies which make those cars full of character and feel faster than you're actually going, the ongoing superior or offhand attitude of many in the Porsche community towards the poor transaxle cousin leads me to shake my head at times. As I've mentioned before, had this car been released as an Audi it would have more respect than it 'enjoys' with the Porsche badge on the hood. Oh well, more fun for us. ps I happily own and drive a 911 if I had the means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberpunky Posted 1May, 2014 Report Share Posted 1May, 2014 I have never understood how having a car with great balance and handling is a negative, but I also think many who have opinions on the 944 are doing so from an armchair and not the drivers seat. I guess late model 911's suffer the same issues as much nicer balanced than the old ones but I doubt anyone would complain about great balance if they were given the latest GT3 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
333pg333 Posted 4May, 2014 Report Share Posted 4May, 2014 I have to thank the 911 community as the continued offhandedness just inspires me to beat them on the track. Of course that's a bit of a generalisation and not all 911 owners view our little cars disparagingly. I confess to really liking virtually all Porsches and the early 911's are a heap of fun to drive. If I had the time and money I'd love to own a tidy and track ready air cooled 911 to see and feel what they're best known for on a circuit. Need the Powerballs to fall in the right way before that happens. For now the old transaxle will have to suffice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foyley Posted 5May, 2014 Report Share Posted 5May, 2014 When you drive one of these cars you see the world from a whole different angle! well I did! Before I owned one I never gave them a second look I was always a 911 man and having driven many the 944 drives so much better! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted 5May, 2014 Report Share Posted 5May, 2014 Here's my P-car history - draw your own conclusions: 2002 - first Porsche 1984 944 N/A 2003 - 2007 - 1986 944 Turbo 2007 - 2012 - 1993 964 C2 2012 - present - 1994 968 Jan 2014 - present - 1990 944 Turbo Loving the front engined water cooled! Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted 5May, 2014 Report Share Posted 5May, 2014 Here's my P-car history - draw your own conclusions: 2002 - first Porsche 1984 944 N/A 2003 - 2007 - 1986 944 Turbo 2007 - 2012 - 1993 964 C2 2012 - present - 1994 968 Jan 2014 - present - 1990 944 Turbo Loving the front engined water cooled! Rob Nice!!! I still want a 911.. and my 951 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberpunky Posted 5May, 2014 Report Share Posted 5May, 2014 same Pauly would love to add a 911 but then I see a beast of a 968 or a Cayman and I think the 911 may have to wait for a very long time and it may well be after I have added a few other Porsche's first. It costs nothing to dream right lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzJustin Posted 5May, 2014 Report Share Posted 5May, 2014 Here's my P-car history - draw your own conclusions: 2002 - first Porsche 1984 944 N/A 2003 - 2007 - 1986 944 Turbo 2007 - 2012 - 1993 964 C2 2012 - present - 1994 968 Jan 2014 - present - 1990 944 Turbo Loving the front engined water cooled! Rob Nice collection there Rob. Re the 1990 944 Turbo in your current stable - did you end up purchasing it from VIC? I recall there being a nice blue one on carsales a little while back with blue leather, rebuilt engine and Fabspeed exhaust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted 5May, 2014 Report Share Posted 5May, 2014 Justin - spot on! Like lots of others, I have an email alert on CarSales for 944 Turbos (and a few others). The Melbourne car came up, a 1990 (15 of these delivered in Oz in 1990, none after that) and I jumped at it. The PO spent a shedload of money with Fitzy over the last 7 years, with the rebuild ($23K) being the biggest ticket item. Very happy with it, just put a Rogue A-tune in it. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9fan Posted 5May, 2014 Report Share Posted 5May, 2014 Rob, Feel free to call it what it is - 944 Turbo S ! Have driven 944 Turbo, 996TT (Thanks J) and on track ridden in 964RS, GT3 But most enjoyed was track (Fitz built) 968 Turbo RS - end of story ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzJustin Posted 6May, 2014 Report Share Posted 6May, 2014 Justin - spot on! Like lots of others, I have an email alert on CarSales for 944 Turbos (and a few others). The Melbourne car came up, a 1990 (15 of these delivered in Oz in 1990, none after that) and I jumped at it. The PO spent a shedload of money with Fitzy over the last 7 years, with the rebuild ($23K) being the biggest ticket item. Very happy with it, just put a Rogue A-tune in it. Rob You beat me to the punch Rob haha. I've also got the email alert on CarSales but obviously wasn't quick enough to move on it. Looked like a great car. Being local let me know if you ever want to sell it Was there a reason you went for the A-tune rather than M-tune? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted 6May, 2014 Report Share Posted 6May, 2014 Justin - the 944T is a keeper! The 968 will go in a couple of months, though. Getting tired of juggling the 3 cars in a 2 car garage! Re the A-tune - I REALLY don't like pod or cone filters that you need to use with the M-tune. If the M-tune used the stock filter and housing, I'd go for it. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted 6May, 2014 Report Share Posted 6May, 2014 Justin - the 944T is a keeper! The 968 will go in a couple of months, though. Getting tired of juggling the 3 cars in a 2 car garage! Re the A-tune - I REALLY don't like pod or cone filters that you need to use with the M-tune. If the M-tune used the stock filter and housing, I'd go for it. Rob If there was an option for the M-tune to use the factory airbox, it'll really be a waste of money because the real restriction is the airbox. the AFM is good for ~300 320 hp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted 6May, 2014 Report Share Posted 6May, 2014 Pauly Have you got any actual airflow/pressure drop comparisons between pod filters and the stock airbox? Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyberpunky Posted 6May, 2014 Report Share Posted 6May, 2014 it is not the filters as such but the AFM Vs MAF. As Pauly states the AFM can only flow enough air for a max HP of about 300 ish where as the MAF can flow enough air for up to 600 HP. The AFM is a restriction that isn't an issue for stock or slightly warmed (chip cat back etc) but if you are after a little more again, then it becomes about pushing more fuel and air in. Fuels is easy as you just fit bigger injectors etc but air requires the restriction being removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted 6May, 2014 Report Share Posted 6May, 2014 Pauly Have you got any actual airflow/pressure drop comparisons between pod filters and the stock airbox? Rob Rob, This is quoted from Josh (rogue tuning) I've had many 951 AFMs on my flowbench, and can tell you first hand that they are a major restriction above 300rwhp. Additionally, the AFM signal voltage is maxed out by then as well. So any airflow above this, the DME will not know about, and therefore tuning would be a nightmare, as the tuner has to guess what airflow the engine is ingesting at any given time... Or, I suppose, one could add more spring tension to the flapper, so it doesn't max out quite a soon. But that would add even more restriction in the mid-range, as the door would be more closed... Really a poor approach regardless.Regarding the snorkel - I think a larger one is a good idea, coupled with a MAF and enlarged air-box opening. Definitely a sneaky approach! IICR there is another post somewhere about the airbox, but cannot find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted 6May, 2014 Report Share Posted 6May, 2014 Pauly, Bruce Agree completely re the flow capabilities of MAF Vs. AFM. As I stated before, if I could have the stock air filtration system and a MAF, I would. But from all accounts, that's not possible, so I'll stick with the A-tune and AFM for a road car. For a track car, no problem with the M-tune and pod filter. Rob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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