Cal Posted 2June, 2014 Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 I've had an intermittent starting problem with my car for a while. I suspected it might be to do with the immobiliser, so I had it removed. Thought the issue had gone away, but it has raised it's head again. More regularly this time. In fact last time I drove it, it refused to start both times. On the weekend I put it on stands and had my son hit the key while I thumped the starter solenoid with a block of wood. Starter cranked right away. So I pulled the starter motor out. I looked on Pelican and it appears they only sell the whole starter motor at $500+. Has anyone re-greased an old one before or know where I might buy a solenoid by itself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted 2June, 2014 Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 good ol' block-o-wood trick you can open them up and clean the contacts up and see how it goes. might need some grease where grease belongs. Pelican sell the Hi Torque brand stater. Do recommend! I have one on my 944 turbo after the bosch one just packed it in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 2June, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 If I end up going down that path I'd go the high torque for sure. Just rather not unless I have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pauly Posted 2June, 2014 Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 my brushes on the motor where worn out too. should check them too. they cause less instant torque. What happened was i'd turn the key and hear a click and a struggle sound (mmmmmm type sound) (not the click click click click battery dead sound) i'd have to put my car in gear, give it a push with 1 leg while on the clutch with the other. keep the ignition on 'crank' then let go of the clutch while the car is rolling to get the engine to turn over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 2June, 2014 Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 If you are buying the high torque type no need to go through PP. I actually have one under the bench alongside a new clutch for exchange when the motor comes out. Here is where I bought mine. http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/321375306995 $185 delivered delivered to Australia. Got to be worth considering doesn't it? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 2June, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 Fellow PFA guys pushed it both times Sure does Dave. Is that a direct bolt on replacement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 2June, 2014 Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 Fellow PFA guys pushed it both times Sure does Dave. Is that a direct bolt on replacement? Well that is what it states in the ad. As I say I already have one so I will make it work one way or another. Too bad you aren't in Melbourne you could have used mine and replaced it in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 2June, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 Cheers thanks. I'll pull the solenoid apart and inspect the brushes first, as Pauly suggested. Might be an easy fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 2June, 2014 Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 Well I would definitely be trying that first too if was mine but it is always nice to have options. I only have one because it was a good idea at the time sort of deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Posted 2June, 2014 Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 I had my starter on the 911 rebuilt by a local Bosch place for $180. They are a very basic thing and use no "because Porsche" parts. If you're told otherwise go to another shop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 2June, 2014 Report Share Posted 2June, 2014 Pull it apart and you will learn something. Maybe even save some $, maybe not . I saved $350 pulling my buggered Landrover series starter to bits. I did get a bit dirty though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 3June, 2014 Report Share Posted 3June, 2014 I had my starter on the 911 rebuilt by a local Bosch place for $180. They are a very basic thing and use no "because Porsche" parts. If you're told otherwise go to another shop. There's a Bosch place in Nundah that did a starter on one of my old Mercs, was a similar price and worked well until I sold the car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 3June, 2014 Report Share Posted 3June, 2014 cal i had same problem. local autoelectician cleaned the contacts and regreased it, no problems. said the grease in them dries out and they stick when hot. no need to spend money on it unless that doesn't work! he didn't charge for it. reckons you would rarely need a new starter motor for one of these, and that they are able to be rebuilt quite easily too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveT Posted 3June, 2014 Report Share Posted 3June, 2014 Bosch starter, should be a snap for an auto elec to fix. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 6June, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 6June, 2014 After I pulled it off and apart I had an engineer mate of mine look at it. Commutator needed cleaning up, brushes were hung in their holders & the solenoid was gummed up. Kind of surprised it worked at all. Will fit tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 6June, 2014 Report Share Posted 6June, 2014 After I pulled it off and apart I had an engineer mate of mine look at it. Commutator needed cleaning up, brushes were hung in their holders & the solenoid was gummed up. Kind of surprised it worked at all. Will fit tomorrow. Great, got out of that one nicely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Cal Posted 11June, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 11June, 2014 Fitted the starter, but no cigar. So I stripped the paint off the engine cover grill, instead of going for a drive. Will pull it out again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveT Posted 12June, 2014 Report Share Posted 12June, 2014 Mine is working fine as I found out the other day. I was playing with my dirty points and half jumped in the car to see if it would start. As soon as I got the ignition switch to the start position it was engine running and in gear, heading towards the pillar next to the roller door at work. Quick leg shuffle and got the clutch in just in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911oclock Posted 12June, 2014 Report Share Posted 12June, 2014 I bet you said 'goodness me that was awfully close'! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 23June, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 23June, 2014 Fitted once again and sorted this time. Brushes weren't seated. Nice to be back on the road... knowing you'll get home without a push! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merv Posted 24June, 2014 Report Share Posted 24June, 2014 I had all sorts of dramas with mine (1968) earlier this year. The starter solenoid would fire, the drive would snap out and engage with the teeth on the flywheel, but not retract. I must have had the starter out 4-5 times. In the end it knocked off two teeth on the flywheel. So new flywheel (A drama in itself as the new replacement was 1.5mm too large in diameter) and I spent a good deal of time checking the solenoid and the 'clutch' action on that, as well as the starter itself. In the end I didn't trust it and no one wanted to work on it for less than the cost of replacement (it worked on the bench but under load ???) and I bought a new standard (rebuilt) starter and solenoid for under $300 locally here. Fitted and no problems since. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 24June, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 24June, 2014 Did you ever work out what the problem was Merv? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 25June, 2014 Report Share Posted 25June, 2014 I assume they have bendix springs in there to do the return? is it loaded up with crap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merv Posted 30June, 2014 Report Share Posted 30June, 2014 Yes Cal, the solenoid is a pretty agricultural design and there is a kind of primitive clutch mechanism in there. It was sticking occasionally. The rebuilt replacement starter and solenoid did the job perfectly. No point mucking around trying to repair it yourself, even if you could find an auto elec who would do it or even could do it ... The supplier of the flywheel (Rose Passion in France) sent me a replacement flywheel as well - two actually. All good now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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