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1 hour ago, James P said:

Not at all he is a driver... 

I actually saw it in Marysville Sunday morning enjoying an early (wet) morning run. 

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9 hours ago, symsy said:

Another one to the Hoarder.. Lets hope you sold him a trickle charger ;) 

9 hours ago, James P said:

Not at all he is a driver... 

I think you both might be right 😏

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congrats on the purchase @GUT
 

So, who’s got that table showing 996 GT3 sales in Aus? It’s well documented that there were only 308 RHD 6.1s globally. Do we have a figure for RHD 6.2? 

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10 hours ago, GUT said:

might be right

'bout time - Nice one buddy!

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9 hours ago, spiller said:

congrats on the purchase @GUT
 

So, who’s got that table showing 996 GT3 sales in Aus? It’s well documented that there were only 308 RHD 6.1s globally. Do we have a figure for RHD 6.2? 

First page of this thread, 160 pages and 6 years ago.........  Dunno about globally though....

 

yes, congrats @GUT

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Thanks @SFZOOM I wonder how accurate this is? Reason I ask is that based on this, I have one of the 4 GT3 RS built in 2003... I did not know they built so few in 03

 

 

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Here is what else I found on the internet:-

996.1 GT3 - 1868 total, of which 106 UK C16 (only 28 of which were specced as Clubsports) out of a global total of 308 RHD and of course 0 US C02.

996.2 GT3 - 2313 total with 239 UK C16 and 1017 US C02

996.2 GT3 RS - 682 total, 140 RHD (of which 113 were UK, 17 Aus, 4 NZ and the rest presumably HK, Sng, Jpn) and 0 for the Americans
 

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Should have posted ages ago, but here is the Artic Silver 2004 996.2 GT3 Touring that I purchased back in late November 2020 once the Victorian lock down ended. Now back in Sydney, was originally delivered by SVM and has only done a light 30,500 kms.  It is in such nice condition that I have to get over my anxiety to use it!  Installing the PR Technology nose lift kit so I can get it easily up and down my driveway...no small investment put should improve the useability of the car!

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1 hour ago, edgy said:

Thanks @SFZOOM I wonder how accurate this is? Reason I ask is that based on this, I have one of the 4 GT3 RS built in 2003... I did not know they built so few in 03

 

 

So I can answer my own question here after liaising with my PCA contact. 

There was indeed 4 GT3 RS built in November 2003

2 x White & Red

2 x White & Blue

all four were RHD C16 (UK) deliveries... I was curious about my own car, from the data (invoice date & VIN) what I can ascertain, it was the 3rd 996 GT3 RS ever built. 

 

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I believe a number of sources regard the oft quoted M003 numbers for the 1999/2000 cars to be optimistic

 

I’ve asked a couple of contacts for the real number ... but the true figure seems to be elusive !

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2 hours ago, edgy said:

So I can answer my own question here after liaising with my PCA contact. 

There was indeed 4 GT3 RS built in November 2003

2 x White & Red

2 x White & Blue

all four were RHD C16 (UK) deliveries... I was curious about my own car, from the data (invoice date & VIN) what I can ascertain, it was the 3rd 996 GT3 RS ever built. 

 

Mate, that is great detective work, pretty special that it was no 3.......

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@edgy that’s bloody fantastic mate. Does that mean it’s got the polished heads since it’s one of the first 200 as quoted by AP in the top gear video?

@SFZOOMlooks a beauty. Has it got the comfort seats or leather recaro buckets?

4 hours ago, SFZOOM said:

Here is what else I found on the internet:-

996.1 GT3 - 1868 total, of which 106 UK C16 (only 28 of which were specced as Clubsports) out of a global total of 308 RHD and of course 0 US C02.

996.2 GT3 - 2313 total with 239 UK C16 and 1017 US C02

996.2 GT3 RS - 682 total, 140 RHD (of which 113 were UK, 17 Aus, 4 NZ and the rest presumably HK, Sng, Jpn) and 0 for the Americans
 

So 239 UK 996.2 + the 74 Aus makes 313 RHD. I’m sure Japan, Singapore, South Africa got a few too. Maybe 350 RHD 6.2 (non RS) worldwide? 47% of Aus 6.2 were Clubsport, ive heard only 50 clubsports in the UK however.

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1 hour ago, TwoHeadsTas said:

Mate, that is great detective work, pretty special that it was no 3.......


well possibly the 2nd, depending on the significance of the “invoice date” , but working back off the VIN it is the 3rd highest VIN out of the four 2003 built cars! 

Andrew was mighty pleased with the news! 

20 minutes ago, spiller said:

@edgy that’s bloody fantastic mate. Does that mean it’s got the polished heads since it’s one of the first 200 as quoted by AP in the top gear video?

Most certainly does, but we knew that from the outset as we actually put it on a DYNO as part of the PPI, it was showing an extra 20hp at the wheels over what the average base GT3 would put down. 

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1 hour ago, spiller said:

@edgy that’s bloody fantastic mate. Does that mean it’s got the polished heads since it’s one of the first 200 as quoted by AP in the top gear video?

@SFZOOMlooks a beauty. Has it got the comfort seats or leather recaro buckets?

So 239 UK 996.2 + the 74 Aus makes 313 RHD. I’m sure Japan, Singapore, South Africa got a few too. Maybe 350 RHD 6.2 (non RS) worldwide? 47% of Aus 6.2 were Clubsport, ive heard only 50 clubsports in the UK however.

Yes, It has the leather Recaro buckets. I had my heart set on a 996 MK1/MK2 Clubsport but after 4 years of looking and being unable to find a good one, when I decided to buy a Touring it had to have the buckets!

My car seems to have most of the options that Tourings seemed to have been ordered with......just wish it had cruise control.
 
Options are::- 

C23        Australia

XSX        Red Seat Belts

288        Headlight Washers

424        CD Shelf Center Console

441        Radio Preparation  

567        Green Tinted Windscreen W. Green Top-Tint

571        Active Carbon Filter (Cabin)

573        Automatic Air Conditioning

581        Front Centre Console

601        Litronic Headlights

697       Porsche CDR 23 CD Radio WW

09991  Manufacture from the exclusive-programme

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29 minutes ago, SFZOOM said:

when I decided to buy a Touring it had to have the buckets!

It might help you sleep better at night to know you don’t actually have a touring, because there is no such thing... that didn’t come until type 991.2! You either have a 996 GT3 with 003 or without. 

By default, all C23 delivered 996 GT3’s had the fix back Recaro’s in leather (unless you added m-code 003 which gave you the same seat in Perlon fabric) you actually had to “option” the KOMFORT seats (recliners; either manual or powered, aka ‘sports seats’), this GT3 standard equipment only changed come the type 997, which came with a manual reclining spots seat by default, and powered seats as an option, and CGT type buckets in the Clubsport (003) package.... GT2’s could option a folding bucket to confuse matters. 
 

Long & Short they (Porsche) worked out how to extract more $$$ for the previously “no cost” options!  

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6 hours ago, edgy said:

So I can answer my own question here after liaising with my PCA contact. 

There was indeed 4 GT3 RS built in November 2003

2 x White & Red

2 x White & Blue

all four were RHD C16 (UK) deliveries... I was curious about my own car, from the data (invoice date & VIN) what I can ascertain, it was the 3rd 996 GT3 RS ever built. 

 

Interesting, my white/blue RS was delivered in the UK on 19/11/2003. I think it was an October 2003 build. I don’t know if its meaningful but my VIN number ends in 005.

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9 hours ago, WGA said:

Interesting, my white/blue RS was delivered in the UK on 19/11/2003. I think it was an October 2003 build. I don’t know if its meaningful but my VIN number ends in 005.

If it's an all out 03 build date race to zero, 005 is ninety two builds in front of 097.

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55 minutes ago, mrar said:

If it's an all out 03 build date race to zero, 005 is ninety two builds in front of 097.

Well that is not exactly difficult math, but that works on the assumption that @WGA vin is in the 691 sequence (it could be 690)... the earliest vin I could find is actually 690993, but here is what is interesting, the "invoice date" is noted as 14/11/2003, where as there is 691047 with an invoice date of 05/11/2003 - a later vin with a earlier invoice date... I am trying to get to the bottom of that... I think the only 4 looks to be debunked at this point, but I will continue to dig and see if that is now 5 or 50! Also, some other data points may help correlate the "invoice date" to the production date... I have most of my paperwork from new, and lots of the cars I have VIN numbers for have traded in recent years, so I should be able to pull the first registered dates as an additional data point. 

I am intrigued by the fact the first lot were RHD, but I think that would come down to nothing more than where the body shop was at, they were probably in RHD body production at that point in time. 

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14 hours ago, edgy said:

It might help you sleep better at night to know you don’t actually have a touring, because there is no such thing... that didn’t come until type 991.2! You either have a 996 GT3 with 003 or without. 

By default, all C23 delivered 996 GT3’s had the fix back Recaro’s in leather (unless you added m-code 003 which gave you the same seat in Perlon fabric) you actually had to “option” the KOMFORT seats (recliners; either manual or powered, aka ‘sports seats’), this GT3 standard equipment only changed come the type 997, which came with a manual reclining spots seat by default, and powered seats as an option, and CGT type buckets in the Clubsport (003) package.... GT2’s could option a folding bucket to confuse matters. 
 

Long & Short they (Porsche) worked out how to extract more $$$ for the previously “no cost” options!  

Edgy, I am not sure that's correct, when the previous owner purchased my car used from PCM back in 2008 on the invoice the model description was GT3 Touring and if you look at the production data for Australia above that I shared  yesterday (which I assume was from PCA records) it also mentions  GT3 Touring. So whilst the cars were never marketed to the public that way (as a Touring)  it seems at least for Australia is that is how they were referred to internally by Porsche Cars Australia (PCA)  and the dealer network. 

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10 minutes ago, SFZOOM said:

Edgy, I am not sure that's correct, when the previous owner purchased my car used from PCM back in 2008 on the invoice the model description was GT3 Touring and if you look at the production data for Australia above that I shared  yesterday (which I assume was from PCA records) it also mentions  GT3 Touring. So whilst the cars were never marketed to the public that way (as a Touring)  it seems at least for Australia is that is how they were referred to internally by Porsche Cars Australia (PCA)  and the dealer network. 

It is correct.

Indeed people (we've all done it) refer to them as a touring, but there is no such thing as a 996 GT3 touring, and just because people keep spreading misinformation doesn't make it right, that table from GT3 resource is as old as the hills and constantly regurgitated, perhaps a refresh is order. 

IF the Touring was an actual model, it would surely have a "sales type" different to the 996811 that all of them carry... rather they all carry the sales type 996811 with options attached... because at the end of the day even a CS, is just a 996811 with M-Code 003 in its additional to standard equipment list... also the same could be said about a Touring "M-code", none of which exist.

The original sales documentation from the manufacturer might help explain it further:

Page 40-41Standard Interior - Bucket Seats finished in leather with only manual fore/aft adjustment 

Page 47: Interior options - "no cost P77 option" of sports seats, also pictured at the bottom of the page with coloured backs

Therefore you optioned those reclining seats and the M-Code would display on your m-code list, you didn't option a touring package. 

 

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Hi Edgy, you need to re-read my email, 

I was never asserting that Porsche marketed a GT3 Touring to the buying public as a distinct model.....as I said in my original post it seems that at least for Australia that is how they were referred to internally by Porsche Cars Australia and the dealer network.  I would guess that was done to distinguish them from those ordered with the Club Sport M003 package. Please see below the used vehicle sales invoice for my car back in 2008, from Porsche Centre Melbourne (which is owned by Porsche Cars Australia) which clearly shows the model as GT3 Touring.

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In fairness, that’s an invoice for a secondhand car - not a new one. So open to interpretation of whoever keyed the car into stock.

May be referring back to the naming of the early RS cars.

A new car invoice will lay the myth to rest

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9 hours ago, edgy said:

Well that is not exactly difficult math, but that works on the assumption that @WGA vin is in the 691 sequence (it could be 690)... the earliest vin I could find is actually 690993, but here is what is interesting, the "invoice date" is noted as 14/11/2003, where as there is 691047 with an invoice date of 05/11/2003 - a later vin with a earlier invoice date... I am trying to get to the bottom of that... I think the only 4 looks to be debunked at this point, but I will continue to dig and see if that is now 5 or 50! Also, some other data points may help correlate the "invoice date" to the production date... I have most of my paperwork from new, and lots of the cars I have VIN numbers for have traded in recent years, so I should be able to pull the first registered dates as an additional data point. 

I am intrigued by the fact the first lot were RHD, but I think that would come down to nothing more than where the body shop was at, they were probably in RHD body production at that point in time. 

I don’t if it will help, but the last 6 digits of my Vin are 691005.

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