ByronBayChris Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 A friend of mine had the engine rebuilt a while ago, but it is leaking like a seive through the bolts that hold the two sides of case together. The company who did the rebuild has been sold to a new owner. Who should my friend be chasing.....the previous owner or the new owner of the shop who was an employee at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 oh dear is it a completely new company behind the business - im no lawyer, but I expect the current business, if it is a new holding structure is at some arms length from any liability warranty issues resulting from prior work. Though you'd think the new owner would go out of their way to assist where they can, it been the same business name? and given you live or die on the quality of your work and reputation for good service in this small pond of ours. Consumer affairs ...then A Current Affair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 I'm no legal eagle, but I would think the business is responsible.When a business is sold, all past, present, and future business passes to the new owner.This includes stock, customers and debts.e.g ..... If I bought some parts and a service from the previous owner but hadn't paid for it yet, I know I would receive a phone call from the new owner saying " In March you had this work done ...."The sale / purchase price of a business takes into account monies owing, monies owed, stock on hand, etc .....Any legal dudes on here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 if a business is liquidated and you buy a business name I do not think all liability for past transactions is transferred - again it comes down to how the employee took over the business and their structuring of the ownership. I'm also no legal eagle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 The statement that the engine had been "rebuild a while ago" would suggest that it's out of any warranty period and unless it is easily demonstrated that the shop performed clearly faulty work, I don't think it is worth pursuing, even if legally possible to seek reimbursement or damages through a small claims tribunalI suggest the engine is degreased, run just long enough the source of the leaks can be identified and no longer, photographed and the photographs posted so the resident experts can make suggestions of fixes.Some bolts are easy fixes and may take 10 minutes and a 20 buck tube of thread sealant, the others may need new seals and an engine drop. He may be lucky, he may be not.From what it sounds a legal remedy may not be available and pragmatically it better just to get on to fixing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 is the warranty transferable would be the other question, you might find the warranty is invalid once the car is sold (even if it was under warranty) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 30April, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 oh dear is it a completely new company behind the business - im no lawyer, but I expect the current business, if it is a new holding structure is at some arms length from any liability warranty issues resulting from prior work. Though you'd think the new owner would go out of their way to assist where they can, it been the same business name? and given you live or die on the quality of your work and reputation for good service in this small pond of ours. Consumer affairs ...then A Current Affair? The new owner, who was a worker who did the job, is willing to warranty general jobs but not an engine rebuild. Basically he will help out people with little problems for goodwill, but cannot afford to do larger stuff. is the warranty transferable would be the other question, you might find the warranty is invalid once the car is sold (even if it was under warranty) All liability for work prior to the sale stays with the original owner, who is no longer in the game, has no workshop and is selling retail stuff. An engine rebuild is 3 months or 5,000kms, whichever is earlier. So as it has been 12 months, legally it sounds poor. My friend is not happy, especially since it was a well known Indie who did the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vas Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 Hang on a minute guys ! Sheesh, its an oil leak ! How about explaining the situation to the new owner first. I doubt he is legally responsible, but not sure. Try the softy softly approach first, he may help you out with a view to some on going work. If not and its a big dollar fix then start with the hard line attack. 9 times out of ten you will get a better and faster resolution. And please can we not use this forum for naming and shaming companies when we have not heard both sides of the story. Last time it happened was a shame and was not a good look. IMO Hope you get it sorted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 Good words Vas though no companies name has been mentioned and certainly at least from my end no intent to shame BBC 's Q was to do with liability and warranty associated with business ownership change. I do think softly is the way to tread , though should also go collect the legal opinion on the warranty liability issues that both supplier and customer are bound by. Consumer law can often provide far more protection than what a manufacturer supplier in this case a mechanical workshop state. Get the facts first - go softly but firmly...knowing where you stand. If this new owner/ mechanic wants his business's to succeed id also be looking to (up to a point) review and work with customers who have had major work done and issues resulting But agree it could also be a simple matter to resolve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 30April, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 Yes, no shaming here (no names mentioned even if it is a happy outcome, as I would not want to infer anything). Having said that, the car will go up the hoist at the old owner's mates place next week. Then we will see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 30April, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 Where is the "NOT LIKE" button for Michel's new avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 Where is the "NOT LIKE" button for Michel's new avatar It's a passing fancy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airhead Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 "A friend of mine" Is that like when you are at a party talking to a doctor and you say - 'a friend of mine has a nasty rash on his groin. What do you think it is?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 30April, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 not wanting to pinpoint any Indies here, but if it relates to mine, then someone has spray painted it white and cut the roof off. So no, not mine. A non-pfa member. Apparently some exist. And no rash either Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 30April, 2015 Report Share Posted 30April, 2015 "A friend of mine" Is that like when you are at a party talking to a doctor and you say - 'a friend of mine has a nasty rash on his groin. What do you think it is?' Like ....not wanting to pinpoint any Indies here, but if it relates to mine, then someone has spray painted it white and cut the roof off. So no, not mine. A non-pfa member. Apparently some exist. And no rash either Like .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
09ELF Posted 1May, 2015 Report Share Posted 1May, 2015 TBH... if the guy who built my motor is now the owner and is reluctant to warrant the full job, I would never ever use him again. Understandably it is a new business and he needs cash as priority. He can at the very least do it in good faith as a side job and not charge labour. I am sure the vehicle owner wouldn’t mind leaving the car there slightly longer than usual. Same applies to a full rebuild. If he has the skills to rebuild the motor, he is only investing time into his business to build good will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poetry911 Posted 2May, 2015 Report Share Posted 2May, 2015 Check to see if the correct oil is being used as I learned. Don't use Castro 0-40w or anything with 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGeoff Posted 6May, 2015 Report Share Posted 6May, 2015 Sounds easier than mine. had engine top end done because of broken head studs. Had oil leaks straight after the job, got the big fob off by the mechanic basically. Then 30k kms down the track I have knackered valve guide and find a cracked cam box, obviously due to work that was done in the original rebuild. My original $5.5K top end rebuild is now a $15K do-it-properly job, and the original mech doesn't want to know because it is a garage queen and it was 4 years ago. An oil leak straight after a rebuild should be inestigated straight away. If it wasn't there before, don't accept it now as a result of a rebuild. That only means someone hasn't done the job properly. I have found out the expensive way and I can say I am not real happy about it. That little broken head stud has now cost me $20K. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 6May, 2015 Report Share Posted 6May, 2015 Byron Bay Chris likes your post. He is a sick puppy! Sorry to hear about your bad experience DrGeoff. There are some cowboys out there. btw I have a rash... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 6May, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 6May, 2015 Byron Bay Chris likes your post. He is a sick puppy! Sorry to hear about your bad experience DrGeoff. There are some cowboys out there. btw I have a rash... I do feel weird liking those things... Same when someone announces a death via Facebook - to like or not to like. Like = sympathise and feel for guy in situation. Does not mean laughing under desk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 6May, 2015 Report Share Posted 6May, 2015 Like = sympathise and feel for guy in situation. Does not mean laughing under desk Chris , I have this rash Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrGeoff Posted 6May, 2015 Report Share Posted 6May, 2015 Cowboys??? This was done by one of the shops that is normally highly recommended on these forums. It appears that one of the rocker shafts was pressed out or punched out, leaving a huge scratch and I am assuming also cracking the cam housing. It looks like it was welded and ground.......yes, welded and ground........... I feel I have a case, as I took the car back twice about the oil leaks which (in hindsight) come from the crack and the scratch in the rocker shaft housing. I was given the "get over it princess" treatment. Of course I also moved from WA to NSW in the process, and spent lots of time chasing the standard "rough idle" issues, which also turned out to be faulty valve guide installation issues. I am not sure on which planet a Porsche driver pulls an engine apart every year to check whether a presumably professional job as been done on a top-end rebuild. Apparently I should have totally disassembled it upon receipt to check the work (thus voiding any warranty as well). The response I received was that I must have a crook injector therefore running one cylinder lean and overheating it, causing the valve guides to fail. I guess I am just a bad Porsche owner. Not sure how that can self-weld and self grind a cracked cam box thought. There is no point in getting legal. But social media is a real bummer these days for those businesses that try to fob off their own mistakes and blame the customer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 6May, 2015 Report Share Posted 6May, 2015 .....It appears that one of the rocker shafts was pressed out or punched out, leaving a huge scratch and I am assuming also cracking the cam housing. It looks like it was welded and ground..... Just out of curiosity Dr G, was this repair itemised on the invoice? Welding cracked castings can be a legitimate repair method, just wonder if it was done covertly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 6May, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 6May, 2015 Don't want to like Dr g post again for fear of sounding contrite....but that's bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 7May, 2015 Report Share Posted 7May, 2015 Check to see if the correct oil is being used as I learned. Don't use Castro 0-40w or anything with 0.I tried to take the advice of my therapist but I just can’t ignore this post any longer.A correctly rebuilt 911 engine can use any oil you like. Porsche themselves have used a number of oil blends and viscosities as initial and subsequent fills over the 35 year reign of the air cooled engine.If you assume that an engine only leaks oil when it is cold, you may have a basis for your logic that 0W-40 grade oils would leak more than a 20W-50. But we know leaky engines aren’t fussy and leak hot or cold so I have to disagree with your viscosity theory.A cold 0W-40 oil is still 3 or 4 times thicker than a hot 20W-50 oil.However I do acknowledge old engines with old seals that have had a diet of low detergency oil may have a leaky reaction to modern high viscosity index oils like Castrol 0W-40. However the OP refers to a newly rebuilt engine that should be oil tight from the get go.Realistically the air cooled 911 engine is destined to leak irrespective of the oil used as I can’t think of car engine that uses more gaskets and seals in its construction and the only answer is to replace these as required. No oil voodoo involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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