KGB Posted 12July, 2015 Report Share Posted 12July, 2015 (edited) So in today's money (inflation as per 2014 data) you would be up for an additional 32k to buy a 928S4 (@ 384k) over a 964 RS. When you look at this against the current day relative values a 928 is worth approx. 14% of its original purchase price whilst a 964RS has appreciated by almost double their initial purchase price. All I was highlighting is that they were an expensive model in comparison to the N/A 911's of the era and I don't believe many people understand this when they look at the relative values of them today. As most of us know they were a very advanced car and well ahead of their time - it just came at a relatively large cost at the time, a relative bargain now in comparison. Yes, I do have the numbers for the 964 & the 944's - I'll scan them and add them for anyone interested. Ah, so the 928S4 would have been an additional (peanuts) 8.3% purchase price. And it's worth relatively peanuts, at 8.3% of an RS today. And surely my wife's hypothesis that I'm a peanut for 'investing' in one is correct! All clear now, thank you.For Tazzie, ANF, Dave & Russ Edited 12July, 2015 by KGB ByronBayChris and hugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 13July, 2015 Report Share Posted 13July, 2015 The 928 died because it was an unprofitable hand made car (like Astons etc) in an era when the Japanese were absolutely smashing Porsche. Essentially , Porsche had to delist the old players and pursue a youth policy , to use football terminology. Concentrating on their roots (sports cars) was the smartest move at the time. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/inside-story-shock-therapy-for-porsche-the-prestigious-german-car-firm-was-speeding-to-destruction-so-its-chief-swallowed-his-pride-and-hired-japans-top-consultants-to-improve-outdated-methods-of-production-john-eisenhammer-charts-the-brutal-remedies-they-prescribed-at-the-companys-plant-near-stuttgart-1411366.htmlBut as was stated above , the cars still run strongly after 25-35 years, which attests to the strength of engineering and build quality in that era. And yes , we don't have to pay for crazy depreciation!PS in ref to the pic above , 928s were designed to replace airline travel within Europe , esp Germany , as they were faster and "business class" comfortable. For businessmen , who could afford them (write them off on the business) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 13July, 2015 Report Share Posted 13July, 2015 All very well, but Porsche is now an SUV manufacturer with a sports car division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twood Posted 13July, 2015 Report Share Posted 13July, 2015 How did 928's get into this thread? KGB, turboT and ByronBayChris 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 13July, 2015 Report Share Posted 13July, 2015 How did 928's get into this thread? Calling infection control Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 13July, 2015 Report Share Posted 13July, 2015 How did 928's get into this thread? Seepage! One or two of us are fully qualified to cross pollinate the 964 - 928 divide.Plus, the Old Girls require chivalrous misrepresentation amongst the a/c agitators. Chris-p and turboT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99TS3 Posted 13July, 2015 Report Share Posted 13July, 2015 All very well, but Porsche is now an SUV manufacturer with a sports car division.Sad but true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 6August, 2015 Report Share Posted 6August, 2015 So I was reading that the majority of 964s were tiptronic convertibles, because the only people that could afford them during that recession period were wealthy professionals who liked that particular combination. What is the breakdown for Oz delivered 964s? It's probably been posted here somewhere, but it would be interesting to test the theory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 6August, 2015 Report Share Posted 6August, 2015 Don't know about 964's but 32% of 993's were cabs and less than half of these cabs were Tips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 6August, 2015 Report Share Posted 6August, 2015 So I was reading that the majority of 964s were tiptronic convertibles, because the only people that could afford them during that recession period were wealthy professionals who liked that particular combination. What is the breakdown for Oz delivered 964s? It's probably been posted here somewhere, but it would be interesting to test the theory.Don't know about 964's but 32% of 993's were cabs and less than half of these cabs were Tips.that's a lot of scrap metal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomo Posted 6August, 2015 Report Share Posted 6August, 2015 (edited) Here is a couple off build Stats: Going through some my 911/ 964 mags,An article on a hot rod build, "63000.pounds when new" The build was a C2. PorscheTotalSubtotalGrand total964 C2 Coupé18,21934,39862,172[9]964 C2 Cabrio11,013964 C2 Targa3,534964 C2 Cabrio turbo-look1532964 C2 Speedster930964 C4 Coupé13,35320,395964 C4 Cabrio4,802964 C4 Targa1,329964 C4 Jubilee Coupé911964 Turbo 3.33,6605,097964 Turbo 3.61,437964 Carrera RS 3.6 Coupé2,2822,282 Edited 6August, 2015 by tomo tazzieman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 that's a lot of scrap metal..One day some cab owner will let your tyres down. A couple of psi is enough to unsettle a 930 Peter M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 One day some cab owner will let your tyres down. A couple of psi is enough to unsettle a 930 Shit done it again. Already getting hate mail from 944 owners. Are cabs really off limits? itsujack 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 Shit done it again. Already getting hate mail from 944 owners. Are cabs really off limits?Is booing at Adam Goodes off limits? Life's deepest conundrums ... turboT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twood Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 I have looked and I have looked but for the life of me I can only see a post about:964 Values in Australia then and nowStarted by itsujack, 6 JulyNo where can I see any reference to Adam Goodes (Australian of the Year) or Porsche 928's in this heading- am I missing something or should these (including the 928 posting) go under the heading:Not Porsche - Everything Else.Just asking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 (edited) LOLTony Dron in the April 2015 edition of Octane magazine did refer to 964's as "respectable but dull" so is it a surprise that this thread has wandered a little? Edited 7August, 2015 by Peter M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 LOLTony Dron in the April 2015 edition of Octane magazine did refer to 964's as "respectable but dull" so is it a surprise that this thread has wandered a little? Whether by design or fault Tassie and I have perfected getting off topic, but I believe Goodes is back and all is forgiven. Cutting the roof off of a 964 though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 Um, like , er , threads don't ever veer elsewhere?...just like in real life discussions!I did try to inject some life back into this thread. Either we allow that, or just close the threads because there's no more to say? KGB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsujack Posted 7August, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 Maybe timely to update with 964s currently for sale as of August 2015: 1989 C4 Manual Coupe Red 201,000km $79,000 (Carsales)1990 C2 Manual Coupe Blue 155,000km $96,000 (Gumtree)1990 C4 Manual Coupe Black 133,000km $110,000 (Duttons) (SOLD)1992 RS Touring LHD Red 25,000km $POA (Duttons)1993 C2 Manual Cab Wide Body Red 19,000km $POA (Duttons)1993 C2 Manual Cab Grey 138,000km $60,000 (Classic Throttle Shop) (SOLD) Anyone know of any others currently? Peter M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 Aussi delivered, 1993 C2 Manual, green, 52,000kms, price...well what would you pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itsujack Posted 7August, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 Aussi delivered, 1993 C2 Manual, green, 52,000kms, price...well what would you pay?If it's in the condition of a 50,000km car, which should be near mint, and original, no or minor mods, then in todays market $120k+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 If it's in the condition of a 50,000km car, which should be near mint, and original, no or minor mods, then in todays market $120k+$130k - $140k wanted apparently Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fraz Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 Can't believe that black C4 sold, love to know what they actually got for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
550Spyder Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 $140k for a 964, get real.As a former 964 owner I must admit that Tony Dron is not too far off the mark. The cars at least have an interior that doesn't look as if it was laid out by mechanics on their lunch break and has decent handling and climate control, but seriously $140k. Unless I am mistaken and there has been some movement in the last 24 hrs, the silver Carrera at AHH, the orange 74 at AHH , the beige Carrera with 300,000 on carsales and the burgundy Carrera at CTS being the four notable cars trying to push values even more into the obscene all have failed to sell and clear cash. I think (hope) that we are starting to see optimistic pricing starting to hit on the glass ceiling? Blue964 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT Posted 7August, 2015 Report Share Posted 7August, 2015 Supply and demand blah blah blahThese prices will have to draw out supply and move us back down the curve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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