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I think in general people are just trying it on with prices not thinking that the car they are pricing against has been sat on carsales for months.It seems everyone is trying to push the ceiling on prices its just a case of being realistic with prices and things will sell.

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29 minutes ago, MARTY said:

I think in general people are just trying it on with prices not thinking that the car they are pricing against has been sat on carsales for months.It seems everyone is trying to push the ceiling on prices its just a case of being realistic with prices and things will sell.

Wouldn't;t be too hard to come in a little lower than everyone (at a price that's still inflated) and make a sale I'd think...

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1 hour ago, Andy73 said:

Nice white one just went live. Don't mind the upgrade to big reds...

BUT all these 964 C2's in the $140K - $150K range seem to just sit and sit and sit. 

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1989/SSE-AD-5304911/?Cr=3

 

So where do we think the market is at the moment for both C2 and C4 manual coupes?

My guess at this stage is $100-$115 for a C4 and $120-$135 for a C2 (Aus delivered, similar k's). The thought of trading mine in for a C2 has been on my mind but the idea of undoing the last 3.5 years of upgrades, fixes, tidying up and having to start it all over again quickly squashes that. Besides, I've never driven a C2 so I don't know what I am missing out on. I love the way my C4 drives and feels through the corners but I'm constantly being told that it is inferior ;)

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1 minute ago, poli84 said:

So where do we think the market is at the moment for both C2 and C4 manual coupes?

My guess at this stage is $100-$115 for a C4 and $120-$135 for a C2 (Aus delivered, similar k's). The thought of trading mine in for a C2 has been on my mind but the idea of undoing the last 3.5 years of upgrades, fixes, tidying up and having to start it all over again quickly squashes that. Besides, I've never driven a C2 so I don't know what I am missing out on. I love the way my C4 drives and feels through the corners but I'm constantly being told that it is inferior ;)

I think that's about right - sub $100 for a C4 if it's no Aussie delivered. have been some pretty decent examples over the past 12 months. The grey one with BBS LM's and KWV3's being a good example. Think that went for close to 90K in the end. 

Trading up? Hmm, depends how much emotional investment you make in your car. As you say, you've spent three and a half years making it your interpretation of the 964 and getting it to where you're happy. Would a C2 feel better? Like you I've not driven one to be able to make the comparison. That said, I've never carved through a turn and found myself thinking, "if only i was in a C2, that would have been so much better." But then I'm yet to tick over 12 months of ownership so maybe I'm still in the honeymoon period. Either way, $145 plus for a C2 starts putting it in the company of some other pretty compelling 911s and, as much as the 964 is my favourite platform, at close to $150K the consideration set would have to widen...

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12 minutes ago, Andy73 said:

But then I'm yet to tick over 12 months of ownership so maybe I'm still in the honeymoon period. 

I don't think it ever ends, the excitement I have is the same as day 1.

You're right, too much emotional investment to part with my C4, I should block out the voices and stay away from driving a C2 (just in case). 

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4 minutes ago, poli84 said:

I don't think it ever ends, the excitement I have is the same as day 1.

You're right, too much emotional investment to part with my C4, I should block out the voices and stay away from driving a C2 (just in case). 

This is why i can't come at the idea of offsite storage. Every night I find time to pop into the garage to say a little hello. 

Plus, green is on trend so value on mine is currently skyrocketing I'm sure :lol:

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An Aussie 964 2 may have just sold for $90k. These $140k + prices are ridiculous and are reflected by the fact that they all sit on the market. But each to their own

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6 minutes ago, GRK930 said:

An Aussie 964 2 may have just sold for $90k. These $140k + prices are ridiculous and are reflected by the fact that they all sit on the market. But each to their own

manual coupe?

 

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This for $175k?

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Or this with $20k in your pocket for a few mods?

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Let me think about it for a nanosecond.  Cmon guys they cannot be serious,  over $140k for a 30 year old 964 has to be a recipe for future crash.  They are not light and nimble like the 70s cars nor epic like a GT3.  Nice weekend cruiser for $70-80k sure but $145k?  175k?  No way.

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9 hours ago, DJM said:

This for $175k?

cp4707461534592945990.jpg?aspect=FitWithinNoPad&width=480

Or this with $20k in your pocket for a few mods?

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Let me think about it for a nanosecond.  Cmon guys they cannot be serious,  over $140k for a 30 year old 964 has to be a recipe for future crash.  They are not light and nimble like the 70s cars nor epic like a GT3.  Nice weekend cruiser for $70-80k sure but $145k?  175k?  No way.

Yes but remember not every decision made when buying a Porsche is a rational one. There's various emotive reasons for the choices people make. For me the 964 was the current shape when my interest in the brand was really switched on so it's always been the one. That said, I think you're right. i think this current crop of cars for sale have pushed the envelope and have probably gone past the tipping point of what most people are willing to spend on a 30 year old 964. Most would do the exact comparison you've just done and head in a different direction...

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21 hours ago, poli84 said:

So where do we think the market is at the moment for both C2 and C4 manual coupes?

My guess at this stage is $100-$115 for a C4 and $120-$135 for a C2 (Aus delivered, similar k's). The thought of trading mine in for a C2 has been on my mind but the idea of undoing the last 3.5 years of upgrades, fixes, tidying up and having to start it all over again quickly squashes that. Besides, I've never driven a C2 so I don't know what I am missing out on. I love the way my C4 drives and feels through the corners but I'm constantly being told that it is inferior ;)

I will openly admit that I envy any 964 owner, 2 or 4 :)

I'm thinking these ranges look about right too. $120 C2 seems to go relatively quickly  (For the right colour). Depends how many people out there who willing to pay this kind of money to have one right? :) While the 964 is my ultimate dream, the decision gets harder with all those GT3's!

 

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Interestingly @DJM has owned a 964 C2 and also a 996 GT2, but knowing Doug he is also a very rational man and makes well thought out decisions.............maybe that's why he now has a GT4? :lol:

Having owned a 964 C2 &  996 GT3 at the same time they both offer a very different proposition and perspective. My head says GT3 but my heart honestly really misses my 964, it was just a great all rounder and enjoyable car. GT3 is such a special car but I do feel like I'm rolling the dice every time I get behind the wheel. But then there is the noise and and and.............

Just get one of each, only real solution to a first world problem. :ph34r::blink::D

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16 minutes ago, hugh said:

Just get one of each, only real solution to a first world problem. :ph34r::blink::D

That's my ultimate goal!

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7 hours ago, hugh said:

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Just get one of each, only real solution to a first world problem. :ph34r::blink::D

There are choices and then prices... not sure they relate..

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22 hours ago, DJM said:

This for $175k?

cp4707461534592945990.jpg?aspect=FitWithinNoPad&width=480

Or this with $20k in your pocket for a few mods?

ca7byt62univng7yif4pr.jpg?aspect=FitWithinNoPad&width=480

Let me think about it for a nanosecond.  Cmon guys they cannot be serious,  over $140k for a 30 year old 964 has to be a recipe for future crash.  They are not light and nimble like the 70s cars nor epic like a GT3.  Nice weekend cruiser for $70-80k sure but $145k?  175k?  No way.

I agree 100% with this man.

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9 hours ago, hugh said:

Interestingly @DJM has owned a 964 C2 and also a 996 GT2, but knowing Doug he is also a very rational man and makes well thought out decisions.............maybe that's why he now has a GT4? :lol:

Having owned a 964 C2 &  996 GT3 at the same time they both offer a very different proposition and perspective. My head says GT3 but my heart honestly really misses my 964, it was just a great all rounder and enjoyable car. GT3 is such a special car but I do feel like I'm rolling the dice every time I get behind the wheel. But then there is the noise and and and.............

Just get one of each, only real solution to a first world problem. :ph34r::blink::D

What that's it, no vitriolic hell and damnation at my blasphemous 964 criticsum.  Cmon guys I was bored trying to spice things up.  

hugh, I know what you mean.  

GT2 take your pick, jail or death.  Exciting but glad to survive 2 years and move on.

GT4 , epic sound, epic balance, lovely to sit in and drive but hard to really use properly.   So I don't use it much.  I'm not a car storage guy, if I'm not driving, I'm wondering ?

964 - First Porsche I owned and I was left a little....well. ....underwhelmed.  Felt quite heavy and not enough poke for my liking.  But it was tiny and classic which I liked.  I remember a red one a Porsche Club member sold that was track prepped C2, lightened, good suspension and motor breathed on. As it happened I actually ran into the guy who owned and built it (Frank Moscato I think) at the Porsche drive day I did last year and he said that was a cracker car that he sold below cost.  That's probably the one that got away.

Dare I say it I've contemplated selling GT4 recently for what I paid.  PCM offered to buy back but with GST and on roads deducted, can't justify it.  And can't be arsed selling privately.  Anyway, I'll bury that comment way down here in the 964 thread ?

I still lust for something old, dirty and noisy (car not woman).  I love Hugh's blue longhood.  That would do.  But given $50k seems a sensible amount to punt on a beast, I find myself ogling things like this.  

Sorry, thread drift, back to stupid priced 964s!

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https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Ford-Escort-1980/SSE-AD-5238449

 

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Just noticed the 93 manual C2 in Grey from the ACT has disappeared from CS after sitting there at 149k for a year or two. 

Dies anyone know if it sold?

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11 minutes ago, klassisch said:

Just noticed the 93 manual C2 in Grey from the ACT has disappeared from CS after sitting there at 149k for a year or two. 

Dies anyone know if it sold?

Believe so , if the hallways of parliament house are reliable for gossip , I spoke to someone yesterday who had been a looker trying to hustle a better price, by al reports a good honest car

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