hugh Posted 17August, 2021 Report Share Posted 17August, 2021 14 minutes ago, twro said: A friend asked an interesting question today, he's thinking about getting either a 964 or a 993, and asked which I thought would make a better investment? Assuming a C2 with like-for-like condition, drivetrain etc, which do you think might appreciate more over time? 964 twro 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twro Posted 17August, 2021 Report Share Posted 17August, 2021 8 minutes ago, hugh said: 964 Why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 17August, 2021 Report Share Posted 17August, 2021 2 minutes ago, twro said: Why? Agree with Hugh Older, rarer and looks more like a “classic” 911. twro and hugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 17August, 2021 Report Share Posted 17August, 2021 Save them from being Singers! symsy, P-Kay, twro and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twro Posted 17August, 2021 Report Share Posted 17August, 2021 7 minutes ago, OBRUT said: rarer Do you know delivery figures to Aus of 964 vs 993? From my research, there are about twice as many 993's listed for sale each year as 964's. Not sure if the delivery figures match that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 17August, 2021 Report Share Posted 17August, 2021 1 minute ago, twro said: Do you know delivery figures to Aus of 964 vs 993? From my research, there are about twice as many 993's listed for sale each year as 964's. Not sure if the delivery figures match that Don’t know the numbers, doing it by vibe. Troubleshooter and hugh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike D'Silva Posted 17August, 2021 Report Share Posted 17August, 2021 God I wish I had not sold my 964 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 17August, 2021 Report Share Posted 17August, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mike D'Silva said: God I wish I had not sold my 964 I bought one today! Troubleshooter, Dalai, luzzo and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luzzo Posted 17August, 2021 Report Share Posted 17August, 2021 7 minutes ago, OBRUT said: I bought one today! I don't think that's going to make him feel any better (@Mike D'Silva) twro, OBRUT and Sov 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Posted 18August, 2021 Report Share Posted 18August, 2021 13 hours ago, twro said: Do you know delivery figures to Aus of 964 vs 993? From my research, there are about twice as many 993's listed for sale each year as 964's. Not sure if the delivery figures match that **Rough** back-of-envelope numbers Aussie RHD deliveries {excluding Turbos but including RS, Speedster, ‘93 C4 Anniversary, Targas and all transmissions) 964 ‘89-‘93 ~ *360 units* 993 ‘94-‘98 ~ *791 units* cheers SK insta @rhdporsche Summon and OBRUT 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 18August, 2021 Report Share Posted 18August, 2021 7 hours ago, 1st said: **Rough** back-of-envelope numbers Aussie RHD deliveries {excluding Turbos but including RS, Speedster, ‘93 C4 Anniversary, Targas and all transmissions) 964 ‘89-‘93 ~ *360 units* 993 ‘94-‘98 ~ *791 units* cheers SK insta @rhdporsche My vibe was right on. hugh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGB Posted 18August, 2021 Report Share Posted 18August, 2021 21 hours ago, Mike D'Silva said: God I wish I had not sold my 964 📈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Posted 18August, 2021 Report Share Posted 18August, 2021 1 hour ago, mrar said: Any idea of Aus del#'s, 964 coupe non sunroof. (Non rs). I have seen one Aus 993 without sun roof. Pretty much impossible to source that data … I can say if you’re after a C2 Coupe just 19% of 964’s sold here were C2 Coupes: 67 cars. This doesn’t split transmissions ~ it’s anyone’s guess the Tiptronic/manual split within these 67… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc968cs Posted 18August, 2021 Report Share Posted 18August, 2021 I suggest it worth following the experiences of @mark2559 who just picked up a lovely 964 coupe from nz, landed in NSW, for waaaaay less than one built in the same factory and shipped directly at Aus…. Although his will be a serious hot rod it’s a good insight into alternative (smart) ways of getting a really nice 964 here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS911 Posted 18August, 2021 Report Share Posted 18August, 2021 26 minutes ago, 1st said: Pretty much impossible to source that data … I can say if you’re after a C2 Coupe just 19% of 964’s sold here were C2 Coupes: 67 cars. This doesn’t split transmissions ~ it’s anyone’s guess the Tiptronic/manual split within these 67… In that era would most of these be Tiptronic? If so, it does make the C2 Coupe Manual a fairly limited spec. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomo Posted 18August, 2021 Report Share Posted 18August, 2021 27 minutes ago, DS911 said: In that era would most of these be Tiptronic? If so, it does make the C2 Coupe Manual a fairly limited spec. Some numbers. DS911 and Summon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason E Posted 18August, 2021 Report Share Posted 18August, 2021 47 minutes ago, mc968cs said: I suggest it worth following the experiences of @mark2559 who just picked up a lovely 964 coupe from nz, landed in NSW, for waaaaay less than one built in the same factory and shipped directly at Aus…. Although his will be a serious hot rod it’s a good insight into alternative (smart) ways of getting a really nice 964 here. @mark2559 is it an easy(ish) process bringing a car to Auz from NZ? The price of a 996 C4S in NZ is half the cost compared to here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepand Posted 18August, 2021 Report Share Posted 18August, 2021 It will need to be 25+ years old to be eligible so 996s are out of the equation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Summon Posted 19August, 2021 Report Share Posted 19August, 2021 16 hours ago, 1st said: Pretty much impossible to source that data … I can say if you’re after a C2 Coupe just 19% of 964’s sold here were C2 Coupes: 67 cars. This doesn’t split transmissions ~ it’s anyone’s guess the Tiptronic/manual split within these 67… Surprised there were only 67 964 coupe's bought into Australia, much lower than I would have thought. In our data, from 964's that were listed for sale in the past year or so, roughly 2/3 were manual and 1/3 were tips. This is another surprise to me, I would have guessed more tips than manuals. Average price for tips was about $130,000, average price for manual was $160,000 (this includes C2 + C4, both cab and coupes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st Posted 19August, 2021 Report Share Posted 19August, 2021 16 minutes ago, Summon said: Surprised there were only 67 964 coupe's bought into Australia, much lower than I would have thought. In our data, from 964's that were listed for sale in the past year or so, roughly 2/3 were manual and 1/3 were tips. This is another surprise to me, I would have guessed more tips than manuals. Average price for tips was about $130,000, average price for manual was $160,000 (this includes C2 + C4, both cab and coupes). 911 (964) C2 Coupes - 67 911 (964) C4 Coupes - 81: the full number of C4 deliveries is actually 98 if including the 17 wide body Anniversary coupes delivered in '93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_booost Posted 19August, 2021 Report Share Posted 19August, 2021 I have a copy of official PCA data if anyone is interested in specifics. It also includes a breakdown of years cab/coupe/targa etc Ie - in 1990: C2 -Coupe x 79 ,C2 Cab x 39, C2 Targa x 9 C4 - Coupe x 69, C4 Cab x 25, C4 Targa x 7 Simon Sorry, Figuring out forum - only a new member! Summon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS911 Posted 19August, 2021 Report Share Posted 19August, 2021 37 minutes ago, on_booost said: I have a copy of official PCA data if anyone is interested in specifics. It also includes a breakdown of years cab/coupe/targa etc Ie - in 1990: C2 -Coupe x 79 ,C2 Cab x 39, C2 Targa x 9 C4 - Coupe x 69, C4 Cab x 25, C4 Targa x 7 Simon Sorry, Figuring out forum - only a new member! So maybe high 300's or low 400's for C2 coupes if there are roughly 70-90 per year? I would expect the delivery numbers would be higher in the later years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_booost Posted 19August, 2021 Report Share Posted 19August, 2021 @DS911 Not even close mate, MY1990 was by far the biggest year. 1991 = 61 incl 3.3 Turbo 1992 = 32 incl RS+Turbo+Turbo (look) Cab - ZERO C4 in this model year. 1993 = 74 Incl Speedster+Turbo+Anniversary edition C4 Gotta remember, It was still around the BIG depression - and Porsche was on its knees - Pre Toyota and 993 (and the were still making the 928 and 968....) Wasn't until late 90's that Porches sold more than 1000 cars in a year.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DS911 Posted 19August, 2021 Report Share Posted 19August, 2021 2 minutes ago, on_booost said: @DS911 Not even close mate, MY1990 was by far the biggest year. 1991 = 61 incl turbo 1992 = 32 incl RS+Turbo+Turbo CAB - ZERO C4 in this model year. 1993 = 74 Incl Speedster+Turbo+Anniversary edition C4 Gotta remember, It was still around the BIG depression - and Porsche was on its knees - Pre Toyota and 993 (and the were still making the 928 and 968....) Wasn't until late 90's that Porches sold more than 1000 cars in a year.... Thanks for the info. So how many C2 coupes in total? Do you know how many of those were manual? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
on_booost Posted 19August, 2021 Report Share Posted 19August, 2021 Sorry = PCA cracked 500 cars sold in 2000..... Incl Boxster and GT3!! C2 Coupes by Model year: 1990 - 79 1991 - 24 1992 - 17 1993 - 28 Sorry - no Data between tip/man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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