dj454 Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 obviously the early small bumper cars command the highest prices.. however would everyone agree all other things being equal condition km etc,, that a 3.2 model is the next most sought after then chronolgically 964 993 etc? interested in opinions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 I'd of thought Carrera 3.0 was the most sought after IB car in N/A format. Then 3.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 Its a pretty loaded question as the G-series cars (75-89) had a large amount of variants, from the 75 2.7 to 3.0 Carrera then there's the 930 - a 3.2 would fit in there somewhere but not at the top of my list personally. Then the debate between 964 vs 993 is a big one too and I cant say I'd necessarily pick a 3.2 over either of them as they are all good cars in their own right. No simple answer really, I'll just say the best one is the one is any of them in the best condition within your budget. I'd of thought Carrera 3.0 was the most sought after IB car in N/A format. Then 3.2 +1 (provided you cant find a 75 2.7 or have a spare 500k!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 +1 (provided you cant find a 75 2.7 or have a spare 500k!) Yeah, I thought it was useless to even talk about MFI Carrera... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claywong Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 No 1 - 2 Porsche's drive the same.At the current stage it seems that the collector and true enthusiast cars are coming into the equation. Not necessarily whether IB or 964 or 993. There is a bunch that stand out and clear from the rest, simple e.g. Turbos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 At the current stage it seems that the collector and true enthusiast cars are coming into the equation. Not necessarily whether IB or 964 or 993. There is a bunch that stand out and clear from the rest, simple e.g. Turbos.Please explain? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlitzKonig Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 Im not sure its such an easy question to answer either, depends on what you want it for. Sure 3.2 has more power, but its also heavier, as they continued to refine things.Some might want the screamer and rev happy carb 2.7, to keep original or swap out with a later model air-cooled motor (like mine was)."Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" is the truest statement I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 The best ones are the ones i own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 depends on personal preference really:3.2 is a lazier, more torque engine paired with taller gearing. 964 engine is superior in every way, as is the suspension and steering, but in a heavier car.3.0L's are a much livelier engine than the 3.2, better gearing, slightly lighter, but hampered by CIS from reaching their full potential.some tick boxes for some people etc of course best option is 3.6 in an SC hahahasecond place to 3.0L with revised induction 3.2 a blend of both, somewhere in between. All fun, but down to personal preference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 By any objective measure the later cars are better. But!Which is the best comes down to individual preferences as Doug has said and really comes down to what one YOU like best. (Straw polling indicates preference appears to be strongly correlated to whatever was the current model when you were in your late teens! I think we do take the 3.2's for granted a bit and undervalue how something so simple can be so much fun to drive. They are also raw enough but not too raw if you know what I mean. I disagree with Doug's description that 3.2's are "lazier, slower paired with tall gearing" as those terms don't enter my head with the early 231hp versions.Also depends on what weight you apply to the various elements in defining the air cooled 911 "experience". Are torpedo tube mudguards critical? What about torsion bars? Lift off oversteer?And what you can live without. Power brakes? Air conditioning?In the end I don't think it matters as any of them will make you happy. If they don't, I don't think anything will and you probably need to look at yourself a bit closer!Long term I think they'll tend to level out to the same value with only the rare/lower production numbers commanding more money for the collectors rather than the drivers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnage Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 depends on personal preference really:3.2 is a lazier, slower engine paired with taller gearing. 964 engine is superior in every way, as is the suspension and steering, but in a heavier car.3.0L's are a much livelier engine than the 3.2, better gearing, slightly lighter, but hampered by CIS from reaching their full potential.some tick boxes for some people etc of course best option is 3.6 in an SC hahahasecond place to 3.0L with revised induction Happy to be second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Speedway Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 3L 930 is king. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 3.8L 993RS....nom nom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1q2w3e4r Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 993 and 964 RS' for the N/A stuff after the early RS'. The rest I think really comes down to preference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnage Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 For me, I love the curves of a 993 and the fact its the last of breed with significant suspension improvements .Would be the only post long hood 911 I would swap my ride for & especially the S & 4S See what I mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 i feel like the 993 should have been water cooled already to go along with those changed curves and suspension changes, but i'm a weirdo lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnage Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 i feel like the 993 should have been water cooled already to go along with those changed curves and suspension changes, but i'm a weirdo lolI know what you mean, but, for me its the coming of age and a huge step forward modernising a format which, fundamentally was long in the tooth, still keeping the overall look/silhouette & dimensions the similar to its forebears. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Carrera Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 I have owned a 1974 911s, a 1980 911sc and now have a 3.2 carrera. In some ways the 2.7 was the most fun to drive, very light with no electrics and seemed really nippy and lively. But since I have made some mods to my 231hp carrera increasing the HP to around 250 I think, I would have to say this is now the better car to drive. It is really like a different car and much better than the sc now.Sorry this is off track but is more in response to the comments that my car is lazy and slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 they are a longer stroke, not slow, just not as frenetic as the earlier cars. more torque, fatter power band, doesn't climb onto the cam so much. Relatively speaking, of course.. not a dull engine by any means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claywong Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 I have driven a 993s before- TT & C2 and I find that they don't deliver the air cooled motoring that I desired personally. It was the first car that got me into the air cooled love because of its so called "the last of", but I was very lucky to be able to experience several 964's beforehand... The 993's have crazy power, but it was too capable and refined - it lacked rawness. I can wholeheartedly agree with Clutch-monkey!i feel like the 993 should have been water cooled already to go along with those changed curves and suspension changes, but i'm a weirdo lolThe 964's are really the turning point towards Porsche's future where they introduced some modern features into a car that retained a look that was similar to the prior generation IB. Plenty of power, highly accessible, some creature comforts, fairly raw, but yes a heavier car overall. Maybe its just me, but I love the 964's balance between new and old. Hence why I own ...The IB cars are fantastic. Coming from the newer generations. They are truly a great car to experience mechanical rawness (a fantastic thing!) from Porsche's back catalogue. They are truly driver's cars and are amazing at that. I really couldn't live with just my 964s (greedy me)... There is something about an IB that is truly unique,Sorry, I haven't driven an early car. Excuse my naiveness. Obviously just my opinion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 I've got a 3.2 and a 930. The 3.2 has some improvements. The 930 is stock '88 4-speed.The 3.2 is the go to for me for fun on twisty roads. The gearing and response on a tight road is perfect. The handling is fantastic. Lots of fun.The 930 is a great daily driver. It would be great on a flowing track I reckon but I haven't had it on one yet. It'd be a great long distance cruiser and a ripper on the autobahns. Can't really use it to its potential on public roads here - wish I could.If I had to choose, hands down it'd be the 930. It feels more special - everything just feels good. It has something about it you can't really feel in other cars. I think there would be plenty of cars that could give a similar experience to the Carrera.But really, so long as they go hard and handle well, I think I'd love every one of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claywong Posted 28October, 2015 Report Share Posted 28October, 2015 But really, so long as they go hard and handle well, I think I'd love every one of them. Which is every Porsche! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC 3.2 Posted 29October, 2015 Report Share Posted 29October, 2015 Some people like alcohol,some like tobacco...well,my personal preference is for fifteen seconds of W.O.T. in a 3.3 litre 930. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 29October, 2015 Report Share Posted 29October, 2015 they are a longer stroke.Often when people talk about the longer stroke in C3.2's it sounds like they are describing something like this:But to put it into prospective, a C3.2 only has a 4mm longer stroke than a C3.o. ie. 74.4 vs 70.4mmThe later universally acclaimed 3.6's in 964's and the revvy 993's in particular have a 76.4mm stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 29October, 2015 Report Share Posted 29October, 2015 Often when people talk about the longer stroke in C3.2's it sounds like they are describing something like this:But to put it into prospective, a C3.2 only has a 4mm longer stroke than a C3.o. ie. 74.4 vs 70.4mmThe later universally acclaimed 3.6's in 964's and the revvy 993's in particular have a 76.4mm stroke. yes... with a 100mm bore so it's over square at a bore stroke ratio of 1.31; The 3.2 has a 95mm bore so is less so at 1.28.not a huge difference no, but all relative. Add a few points of compression in the 964's favour and it's a different character overall. obviously the solution ( to this terrible, terrible problem to have.. ) is to build a 3.2 out to 3.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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