Ashbaxter Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 So my hunt for the RHD continues but another idea comes to mind.I see updated early (pre 73) 911's made to look like an 80's cars for sale from time to time that are Aussie RHD cars. eg. http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-1971/SSE-AD-3499293/?Cr=3Yes there is a lot of work involved but I could get the exact look I am after....like belowThe values of early 70s 911s have gone through the roof so would backdating (a quality job) one these to it's former glory be a financially viable project? or would there be something that would not see it reach the value of an untouched one. Thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 I think you would find that the cost to "backdate" it back to original would be cost prohibitive .... Unless you wanted to do it as a labor of love, you would end up spending way too much on it.If there is one thing this frenzy of air cooled has shown us .... it is that originality is king and it would have to be absolutely spot on to be worth '71 money.To get it spot on would cost a bomb .....Maybe someone else will chime in with a different point of view. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 Hi Ash,There is no 'cheap' way to build a car like pictured above. Back date, forward date, it all costs money and each have their pros and cons that mostly comes down to the donor. Your best investment at the moment is reading the pages on here and abroad of the people who do this day in and out so you can get the real picture. Plenty of build threads on here and guys that will be able to provide you with an indication of $$$ to build/restore a classic porsche. Hope that helps! Hugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbaxter Posted 7January, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 The bodywork is the main thing though..isn't it?What else would have been done to these back in the day when it was a good idea to update them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 The bodywork is the main thing though..isn't it?What else would have been done to these back in the day when it was a good idea to update themWheels, engine, suspension, paint, brakes, interior and yes, bodywork .....I'm sure I'm forgetting a few other expensive bits, but that just for starters .....BTW .... don't underestimate the cost of body parts for pre impact bumper cars (or any parts for that matter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 The bodywork is the main thing though..isn't it?What else would have been done to these back in the day when it was a good idea to update themYes, body work is probably the more major consideration. A coat of paint can hide a multitude of sins, unless you know what your looking for (especially with pre galvanised 911's) it can get pretty deep pretty fast. Shotty previous mods and rust can be just the start. Not trying to deter you, just being honest - do your homework! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbaxter Posted 7January, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 I have done a fair bit of research and have the costings done for body parts required.So am I going going about this all wrong in trying to get an updated early 70s at a premium and backdate to where I want it to be.For half the cost I could get something like the 81 on ebay and backdate it? same amount of work for the look that i am after.As far as return on investment goes, is that a waste of money? a pretender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 If it is just the body, possibly interior, and minor mechanical work, then to give you some idea of cost someone like ZAG would charge you about $75k. So with the cost of this donor you would be outlaying somewhere around $160k. This would get you something that 'looked the part,' but if you wanted it returned to 'authentic' original I would suggest a lot more. The other issue you will have is how to get this done as ZAG currently have a 2 year waiting list. I get the look you are after as I too would love an early car in my garage, but I can't justify the cost of an original right now but see a lot of value in others x - ZAG projects something like this. Cool enough as it is, but easier to later personalisehttp://carsales.mobi/cars/details/1987-Porsche-911-Carrera-No-Badge-No-Series/SSE-AD-3754113 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbaxter Posted 7January, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 Is that really worth $125k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GUT Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 Personally, I see no difference between restoring a car that hasn't been updated and restoring a car that has been updated.If you do it right and it ends up in the form in which it left the factory, what's the diff? It's a restoration, not a backdate to me.I would prefer a real longhood to a backdated car any day of the week. Backdates don't really do it for me.The car you linked to was listed at close to half the current price not long ago. I don't think it's worth $85k as a restoration project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 As far as return on investment goes, is that a waste of money? a pretender?depends on the quality of your work and what is under the hood. Backdates probably mainly sell for less than the original investment now donor cost is so high. Although there is one guy trying to get $225k for his right now. Then a Singer would be $750k here in Oz...but you will never have an 'original' car, although probably a great looking one, so the market will never value it as high. Is that really worth $125kit would now cost more to build. 'Worth' - that's Upto the market. Been for sale for a month I think, so probably a bit of room for negotiation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 I have done a fair bit of research and have the costings done for body parts required.So am I going going about this all wrong in trying to get an updated early 70s at a premium and backdate to where I want it to be.For half the cost I could get something like the 81 on ebay and backdate it? same amount of work for the look that i am after.As far as return on investment goes, is that a waste of money? a pretender?Have you ever undertaken a home renovation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 As every day passes, I realise just how cheap the 996 GT3 really is.... Those chrome bumper cars are for the real players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashbaxter Posted 7January, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 Yes several large renovations also restored a karmann ghia and a split kombi from rolling shells.all a labour of love and I love a good project. For me it's about having a vision and creating it not making money from it.That said I do like to at least break even and don,t want to embark on a project that will be an obvious loss from the outset hence all the questions for you guys with far more Porsche smarts than me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tk111 Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 Is that really worth $125keverything's negotiable ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 Yes several large renovations also restored a karmann ghia and a split kombi from rolling shells.all a labour of love and I love a good project. For me it's about having a vision and creating it not making money from it.That said I do like to at least break even and don,t want to embark on a project that will be an obvious loss from the outset hence all the questions for you guys with far more Porsche smarts than me makes a big difference if you have the skills to do a lot of this yourself and have the time. Unfortunately I lack either. If a car is matching numbers sounds like in your case it might be worth a punt. We love a good build thread on PFA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 If you're going to backdate an updated car then having the original driveline is going to be the major sticking point. If you can find one wearing 80s or 90s bodywork but still with the original engine, your golden and it's just parts and labour. But having the original (and I mean matching number) engine is going to be the sticking point for higher values. Not that one with the correct type but wrong number wouldn't fetch a good price, it would be lower. One with a 3.0 or 3.2 in an early body is pretty much a hot rod so you would not go the full cosmetic resto but give it some character while backdating.Finding original interior bits is hard I believe but there are repro body panels around....given they rust so heartily.i personally know of a terrible impact bumper forward date on a nice 71 or 72, which is probably wearing the original driveline and has lots of original panels. They are around because nobody wanted an old looking 911 for a while there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 This within your price range Ash? http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/adelaide-cbd/cars-vans-utes/porsche-911/1100061676 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 This within your price range Ash? http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/adelaide-cbd/cars-vans-utes/porsche-911/1100061676 One year too new. I think restoring a forward date can be done, if you are doing it yourself. I have considered the same thing. As mentioned if you can find something with just external body work updated you are golden. With my car, I want to have a car that I can enjoy and it would never be original any way, and with me doing everything I should have my ideal car for under $50k all in. Keep your eyes peeled for the right starting point and pounce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue964 Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 everything's negotiable ?not unless it includes the letters R and S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANF Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 What does a genuine 71 911E cost these days? If you can buy a "modified" one and get back to how you want for less, then I say go for it! Especially if you have the skills to do most/ all yourself. Also by the time that you finish it the way 911 A/C pricing is going the "original" 911E will be worth much more so you will be further in front, I assume that you would be doing to keep for many years, so any perceived resale value in todays market is not really that relevant..... not much to lose really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV911 Posted 7January, 2016 Report Share Posted 7January, 2016 ZAG currently have a 2 year waiting list. Do they really or is that just hype?TE got his car in and out within a matter of a month As for backtdating (restoring) an update, I think it will become more common while longhood values are on the rise (and In 10 years time everyone will be returning their backdated IB cars to IB!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 Do they really or is that just hype? when i last spoke to them about 4 months ago - yes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 are they worth all the hype? good work? Sure. though innit a bit like saying the only place to have gauges done, is by nth Hollywood.Ash buy a car and send it to mr fryer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 8January, 2016 Report Share Posted 8January, 2016 Do they really or is that just hype?TE got his car in and out within a matter of a month I think he's mates with Zags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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