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Where do 997 values sit?


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If one wants to buy a 997.1 then I say go for it. If it's an 07 or later there are no IMS issues. If it's an 06 or earlier, just get the IMS upgrade. Viola

Regarding bore scoring, I've heard from specialists in the game for years that good oil maintenance habits and religious 'warm up' and 'warm down' periods virtually eliminate the problem. Heck, I've warmed up AND down my cars for years as a matter of habit. Even my $8k Navara gets warmed down before switching off. No biggie once it's ingrained.

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If one wants to buy a 997.1 then I say go for it. If it's an 07 or later there are no IMS issues. If it's an 06 or earlier, just get the IMS upgrade. Viola

Regarding bore scoring, I've heard from specialists in the game for years that good oil maintenance habits and religious 'warm up' and 'warm down' periods virtually eliminate the problem. Heck, I've warmed up AND down my cars for years as a matter of habit. Even my $8k Navara gets warmed down before switching off. No biggie once it's ingrained.

 

IMS fixing on 06+ cars is a different kettle of fish. The IMS didn't disappear until 997.2 (in 2009). Unlike the older models of 911 and Boxster, you have to split the case to get at and upgrade the bearing. Much more costly. The Cayman and 997 (late ’05 onwards) came with this new bearing with supposedly better lubrication. The failure rate of these newer cars is miniscule. That’s anecdotal of course, but the sheer amount of cars sold in the US and UK with the updated bearing, and the comparative lack of horror stories support the theory.

 

As pointed out above, the internet is a ripe breeding ground for paranoia on cars. All makes, especially performance focused cars, have their issues and always have. There is an expectation (not unreasonable) among us enthusiasts that owners pay relatively large sums for their toys, and therefore should expect bullet proof reliability.

 

The reality in this age of multi-brand car companies squeezing every last dollar of profit they can, is very different.  Porsche are no exception.  The latest talk is about the slew of advanced-tech turbocharged cars now on sale. What will they cost when they go bang a few years down the track when they’re old enough to hit the enthusiast market?. I’m curious. 

 

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Porsche are no exception.  The latest talk is about the slew of advanced-tech turbocharged cars now on sale. What will they cost when they go bang a few years down the track when they’re old enough to hit the enthusiast market?. I’m curious. 

 

https://www.total911.com/thought-of-the-day-are-todays-porsches-built-to-last/

“I think there’s an awareness that these cars aren’t as bulletproof as their predecessors,” says Sadler. “Even though Porsche has improved its quality, that reputation could take ten years to shake off.”

“I can’t see values of cars like the ordinary 996 climbing,” says Sadler, acknowledging that the story for special models like the GT3 is a different matter.

Meanwhile, the 997 is already going the same way. This is great news for those of us looking for a brilliant bargain Porsche today, but not so great if future generations are to see what the fuss was about.

There are reasons, however, why many modern Porsches will last. First, because the explosion in reputable specialists over the last 20 years, together with a thriving web community, has made it more affordable than ever to keep a used 911 on the road. Second, because Porsche built so many more of them in the first place, churning out 33,000 of them in 2002, nearly three times the number for 1972. And third, because people like you will always be around to keep the cars alive. But I’d put money on the simplest, purest 911s – manual Coupes on steel brakes, together with cars like the GT3 and RS – being the ones that last the distance.

 

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Interesting read, thanks Taz. The consensus is that the simple-spec cars are more likely to be around, which makes sense. A replacement PDK for an owner 10-20 years down the line could be a bad value proposition. That's not to mention electric steering and variable vane turbos.

The amount of 991s on the market with manual boxes is telling. That car has been the best selling car in its bracket for a long time (here on Oz). It seems that most owners opt for PDK, presumably as they are daily driven. 72 currently for sale, and 56 of them are PDK.

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Interesting read, thanks Taz. The consensus is that the simple-spec cars are more likely to be around, which makes sense. A replacement PDK for an owner 10-20 years down the line could be a bad value proposition. That's not to mention electric steering and variable vane turbos.

Complex cars from the 90s e.g. 7 series BMWs are worth peanuts. Unless you have an absolute passion or emotional attachment to complex older cars. your wallet will open its eye and shut them faster than a blink. 

Simplicity is the saviour of old cars. That , and galvanising.

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Regarding ims and other Porsche "faults"

went to lunch with a guy last week. Got into his Audi S5 chip and tweaked exhaust - the sound was god like and I almost shot my load. 

In that case the spotless interior of my C63s is officially "off limits" :blink:

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Does it really make any difference if the car has 15 or 16 computers of 30 or 40 actuators etc the chance of a failure only goes up a small amount and the difficulty in locating and fixing remains much the same. So is a so called simple 991 any more reliable than a so called complex 991? I would suggest there is nothing in it as in reality they are both complex.

it will be an issue to keep any car with Electronics on the road as easily as a mechanical setup. 

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Complex cars from the 90s e.g. 7 series BMWs are worth peanuts. Unless you have an absolute passion or emotional attachment to complex older cars. your wallet will open its eye and shut them faster than a blink. 

Simplicity is the saviour of old cars. That , and galvanising.

simple...as in 928 simple? :ph34r:

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simple...as in 928 simple? :ph34r:

There must be a reason 928s are selling for a lot more than old 7 series.

Sedans aren't every cashed up middle aged man's dream car I guess.

Oh and 928s are pretty reliable...mine's been a DD for 16 years at least, and quite possible for the 18 years prior!

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Oh and 928s are pretty reliable...mine's been a DD for 16 years at least, and quite possible for the 18 years prior!

Taz, you're selling sand to Arabs.

 

Oh and 928s are pretty reliable...mine's been a DD for 16 years at least, and quite possible for the 18 years prior!

Taz, you're selling sand to Arabs.

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