tazzieman Posted 30April, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 30April, 2018 http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/motoring-news/tesla-driver-busted-in-the-passenger-seat-testing-autopilot-on-a-freeway/news-story/9ac5bf9bf6f979d7335fe632005ab7fc I saw Lano & Woodley at the theatre last night. The word F**kwit was used over & over, aptly describing this turkey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 22May, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 22May, 2018 See below. After over 2000km driving throughout Scotland/England , I can't see how "autonomy" will ever negotiate complexities such as the Magic Roundabout and the thousands of less complex situations. Viz , not far from me today... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42710215 "If the car is connected, hackers can use that connection to remotely break in and take control of the vehicle," says Kathleen Fisher, computer security professor at Tufts University, Massachusetts, and a former programme manager at the US defence research agency Darpa. She believes companies simply don't have enough economic incentives to make their products hacker-proof. "Even if one car company was really motivated to make their cars as secure as technology knows how to do, the problem is that costs money," she says. Top-notch security is not necessarily a selling point, she believes, and advertising it may simply make customers more worried. It might also act as a challenge to would-be hackers. But Chris Valasek, who now works for General Motors' self-driving cars division Cruise, thinks the potential benefits of driverless cars outweigh the risks. "They can't drive drunk, they can't drive tired, and they don't look at Twitter on their phone while they drive," he says. "So while there's the risk that someone could hack them, at the same time millions of people are going to be exponentially safer with this type of technology." And safety is the overriding benefit, experts say. "More than 90% of the accidents that you see today are caused, one way or another, by human error," says mobility consultant Sven Beiker, a former head of Stanford University's Center for Automotive Research. "On a global basis, that's about 1.2 million people who die in traffic accidents. That's motivation enough." So it does look as though cars are going to become more and more automated over the next few years. When it comes to driving, it seems, human beings just aren't good enough." =============================== ...whilst robots are? NFW. Troubleshooter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redracn Posted 22May, 2018 Report Share Posted 22May, 2018 11 hours ago, tazzieman said: "They can't drive drunk, they can't drive tired, and they don't look at Twitter on their phone while they drive," he says. "So while there's the risk that someone could hack them, at the same time millions of people are going to be exponentially safer with this type of technology." So this nutter from GM thinks the cars won’t catch a virus? Which could cause them to act as if they are drunk, tired, on drugs, possessed or become a serial killer etc. Proper autonomous cars will most certainly be checking their car book page after all they are telling us the cars are intelligent and it will be illegal to keep an intelligence locked away from the outside world as that would be torture. And you could possibly drive it mad making it want to get even with its owner. So far there is not one shred of evidence that driverless cars will have less accidents in the real world. In fact currently they seem to be inviting accidents due to their real world inability coupled with a stupid naive drivers view that the car is actually autonomous and they can defer every decision to it. Two teenagers recently die in a Tesla fireball so it seems even with all the safety tech they can be crashed and when they burn you just stand back and watch as there is nothing that can be done to help any trapped occupants. tazzieman, Troubleshooter and PTINS 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANF Posted 22May, 2018 Report Share Posted 22May, 2018 1 hour ago, Redracn said: when they burn you just stand back and watch as there is nothing that can be done. I find this to be the most alarming thing about EVs, one that is suspiciously kept quiet too..... Troubleshooter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 23May, 2018 Report Share Posted 23May, 2018 You guys are right on the money - the heat generated really quickly from the batteries a flame restricts or generally stops anyone assisting the injured. There's been 2 or 3 Teslas in autopilot mode smash in the last few weeks (along with the previous smashes over the year) some leading to death - and a coupla other autonomous cars smash and a death as well. Tesla is a Dead Man Walking and mostly due to their production or lack of, and in the last 2 months, with several hyperbole claims of improvement as usual ..... That roundabout hahahha you'd have to have towie, ambo and police stations erected there for the carnage every 15 mins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 23May, 2018 Report Share Posted 23May, 2018 The fire thing is bad - but it's not like liquid fuel cars don't ever catch fire and burn their occupants. It does happen. The numbers are still small to draw too much of a conclusion. It's worth watching though. I drove a BMW i3 recently. I loved it - would get one in a heartbeat if it was a bit cheaper. The bit I like the most is not having to have any mechanical sympathy or particular care about fuel economy. Just get in and nail it. Takes off like a rocket and handles well at city speeds, and has a miraculous turning circle. The funky carbon fibre door openings and general weirdness added to the experience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redracn Posted 23May, 2018 Report Share Posted 23May, 2018 54 minutes ago, Coastr said: The fire thing is bad - but it's not like liquid fuel cars don't ever catch fire and burn their occupants. It does happen. The numbers are still small to draw too much of a conclusion. It's worth watching though. The issue is not so much that the EV catches fire but the fact that when it does it can not be put out unlike petrol and diesel which can be smothered with foam or any one of a number of extinguisher types.. The foam can also be used to reduce the chance of a fire while being rescued where as nothing can be done about the EV battery fire. There are also many instances of EV batteries catching fire well after the event that damaged them. So after a minor incident you would not want to take it home and park it in your garage. Even body shops are going to need a fireproof area to store a damaged EV $$$$. Even getting a tow could be a major problem. The slightest hint of a battery issue and the EV battery will be a liability that requires disposal at a significant cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 23May, 2018 Report Share Posted 23May, 2018 And not only do Tesla have a recall problem they now have a brake problem on the model S .... After trading closed on March 29, the Associated Press reported that Tesla Motors, Inc. (TSLA-NASDAQ) was recalling 123,000 cars, or almost half of the 276,000 vehicles the company has ever produced, to fix rusting bolts that hold its steering column. http://www.breitbart.com/tech/2018/05/22/tesla-ceo-elon-musk-admits-to-model-3-braking-issue-promises-fix-via-software/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 2June, 2018 Report Share Posted 2June, 2018 An interesting update on autonomous EV's problems and Tesla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redracn Posted 2June, 2018 Report Share Posted 2June, 2018 “Auto pilot will try to kill you” Sums it up correctly. So the government is subsidizing an on road assassin that is out to kill you and those around you. Then covers it up by blaming the driver and not the programmers. Who will they blame when there is no driver? This guy is spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 2June, 2018 Report Share Posted 2June, 2018 Would have to blame the car company you'd imagine... it's like the wild west, no firm laws yet and feel it as they go,.. as they smash! Glad I'll be at the great gig in the sky by the time they make us use them if we want a car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 2June, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 2June, 2018 https://abcnews.go.com/US/teslas-autopilot-woes-continue-laguna-beach-police-car/story?id=55544827 Just in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelrik911 Posted 2June, 2018 Report Share Posted 2June, 2018 1 hour ago, tazzieman said: https://abcnews.go.com/US/teslas-autopilot-woes-continue-laguna-beach-police-car/story?id=55544827 Just in Here in the US, forums are suggesting that because the Tesla is Black and the Cop car White - then its the cops fault !!! Seriously - who would buy a 2nd hand Tesla when a new battery is about $73K ? A new one on lease maybe , but jump out of ownership after 3 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 2June, 2018 Report Share Posted 2June, 2018 52 minutes ago, Zelrik911 said: Here in the US, forums are suggesting that because the Tesla is Black and the Cop car White - then its the cops fault !!! Seriously - who would buy a 2nd hand Tesla when a new battery is about $73K ? A new one on lease maybe , but jump out of ownership after 3 years. Well Hongkongians I guess- recent holiday there and in the city every 10th car is a tesla! Well maybe every 15th..... firstone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 6June, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 6June, 2018 On 6/3/2018 at 9:16 AM, Troubleshooter said: Well Hongkongians I guess- recent holiday there and in the city every 10th car is a tesla! Enjoying ludicrously slow mode no doubt LeeM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 6June, 2018 Report Share Posted 6June, 2018 2 hours ago, tazzieman said: Enjoying ludicrously slow mode no doubt Aside for blatant speeding on the motorways to and from airport etc they would never reach more than 40kph tazzieman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 7June, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 7June, 2018 But they "look cool". Until everyone's got one. Then it's like beards etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 7June, 2018 Report Share Posted 7June, 2018 23 minutes ago, tazzieman said: But they "look cool". Until everyone's got one. Then it's like beards etc. Like porsches? Hahaa . Beards have never looked cool unless you're a Viking or a Knight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 7June, 2018 Report Share Posted 7June, 2018 On 7/1/2016 at 8:36 PM, ByronBayChris said: overtaking is out of favour these days. No learner is taught to overtake, as in nsw they are limited to 90kph. Even P plates are limited to 90, then 100. So it's after three years of driving that a new driver is legally allowed to overtake The local police told me that drivers are nit taught to overtake as they want to not have cars overtake on country roads. Dumb. True that. So many roads have double lines for miles upon miles. I wonder what % of accidents are caused by bad overtakes. My guess is few compared to other factors like falling asleep and drink/drugs. If you overtake where there is broken lines and don't be an ass it's pretty hard to get into a major accident. Even if you pull out and can't make it, a touch of the brakes and pull back in and no harm done. A lot of the problem is people thinking that being overtaken is a declaration of superiority that must not be abided, rather than simply a decision of one driver to go faster than the other. Nothing has more righteous indignation than a 'sensible' driver who has just been overtaken by a faster car. Personally a well executed overtake in a powerful car is one of lifes little pleasures. ByronBayChris 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 7June, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 7June, 2018 1 hour ago, Troubleshooter said: Like porsches? Hahaa . Beards have never looked cool unless you're a Viking or a Knight Or a hipster. Oh no I've offended someone! But Porsches are a helluva lot more "accessible" nowadays. The SUV cult has seen to that. Troubleshooter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 12June, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 12June, 2018 Is this the sound of the gurgler spooling up? https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44458264 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troubleshooter Posted 13June, 2018 Report Share Posted 13June, 2018 Yep! Halfway through the spool and momentum spinning fast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 17June, 2018 Report Share Posted 17June, 2018 More Tesla quality https://au.news.yahoo.com/actress-shares-moment-husbands-tesla-caught-fire-blue-051338817.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrera28 Posted 17June, 2018 Report Share Posted 17June, 2018 That's what happens when you use your customers to test your product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 17June, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 17June, 2018 Just enjoying your quiet ride , feeling good about the environment and then this happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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