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I reckon that is a big load of bollocks.

Happen to know quite a few quite well.

Depends which silicon valley they've outsourced the work to. Hong Kong? Mumbai?

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-looking-to-hire-software-engineers-for-autopilot-2015-11

He took to Twitter last week to say he’s looking for serious coders, who don’t need to know anything about cars.
Tesla rolled out the first iteration of Autopilot in October, but then quickly limited its features once it became evident that some drivers were going to take risks the company didn’t want — like climbing into the back seat of a self-driving car.
But the fact that Tesla’s trying to reign in drivers doesn’t mean it’s backing off of the push toward a fully autonomous car. In the parlance of the industry, this is referred to as either Level 4 or Level 5 autonomy — the vehicle, for all practical purposes, drives itself with little or no human input. 

To achieve that, Musk wants software engineers — “hardcore” software engineers, according to his tweet. These hires, who don’t have to know anything about cars but had better be able to write dazzling code, are going to have a tough taskmaster: Musk himself.

I'm not a fan of software , any software. More the hammer and sickle old school type when it comes to dealing with life's problems.

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I reckon that is a big load of bollocks.

Happen to know quite a few quite well.

I know a lot of firmware programmers and with few exceptions they are oblivious to real world problems. They just do the job as specified with little to no thought about the what if's. And supposedly firmware programmers are the real world programmers. Game (or fantasy) programmers? Lets just say some can do great games.

 

He took to Twitter last week to say he’s looking for serious coders, who don’t need to know anything about cars.

http://www.businessinsider.com.au/tesla-looking-to-hire-software-engineers-for-autopilot-2015-11

 

Yep dont want anyone that might question how dangerous, stupid, problematic etc etc. in the specific application.

Might explain why the traditional car makers who generally take their responsibility to provide safe transport more seriously are taking a more measured approach. 

 

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Barbie at Tassies! Geez imagine that!

What an education it would be in gentlemanly valour, non political correctness, conspiracy, paleo diet, hands on popular mechanics, prepper survivalism,  the workings of Camelot, Porsche, Isis, Elon Musk, the Illuminati, World history, automanation, robotics .....and how to be a real man and act like one! ..... And why the  good ol' LR is the best car ever built!! World peace would be solved:rolleyes:

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I know a lot of firmware programmers and with few exceptions they are oblivious to real world problems. They just do the job as specified with little to no thought about the what if's. 

I'm not sure why you guys are labouring on this point.  I get an anti-technology bias and I am on board with that in a lot of cases.   But you are way off base if you think that a job advertisement for coders that say you don't need to know about cars translates into someone mindlessly writing code that doesn't work.

It is very difficult to find resources for big projects whew said resources are experienced in that industry.  Automotive systems specialists are a niche and the autonomous driving projects need a lot of people.  Of course they are going to mention 'don't need to know anything about cars' in order to get the widest group of candidates possible.  That just means you don't need GM or Toyota on your cv.  You see the same thing when a big project gets started and the net is thrown wide toget people on board.  Understanding the problem space is a second order issue compared to getting the people who know how to build systems. 

This type of work is not the sort that gets outsourced to Mumbai, and even if it was, the guys writing the specs will be in the Tesla HQ (or google, or wherever)  And the guys doing the testing will be spending hundreds of thousands of Kms on the road.

By all means criticise autonomous driving - I've already said where I think the issues are - but thinking that  the problems arise because it's being written by a bunch of gaming teens without licences is dumb.  

 

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I'm just the devil's advocate messenger , and approaching my twilight years as unlike Elon , I am not immortal :)

I will; be convinced when Elon is the test pilot , under conditions programmed by a random audience.

I do think however that entrepreneurs like Elon are after profits at any cost ,well almost (those pesky incidents and lawyers!).

The fact that the big German mfrs have struggled to bring on autonomous driving for the masses indicates to me that real brains are more complex than motherboards and sensors.

I'm all for technology , but moderated by the consuming public - rather than have the musky willy of progress thrust down our throats!

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I'm not sure why you guys are labouring on this point.  I get an anti-technology bias and I am on board with that in a lot of cases.   But you are way off base if you think that a job advertisement for coders that say you don't need to know about cars translates into someone mindlessly writing code that doesn't work.

It is very difficult to find resources for big projects whew said resources are experienced in that industry.  Automotive systems specialists are a niche and the autonomous driving projects need a lot of people.  Of course they are going to mention 'don't need to know anything about cars' in order to get the widest group of candidates possible.  That just means you don't need GM or Toyota on your cv.  You see the same thing when a big project gets started and the net is thrown wide toget people on board.  Understanding the problem space is a second order issue compared to getting the people who know how to build systems. 

This type of work is not the sort that gets outsourced to Mumbai, and even if it was, the guys writing the specs will be in the Tesla HQ (or google, or wherever)  And the guys doing the testing will be spending hundreds of thousands of Kms on the road.

By all means criticise autonomous driving - I've already said where I think the issues are - but thinking that  the problems arise because it's being written by a bunch of gaming teens without licences is dumb.  

 

I am all for technology its how I made my living. I have spent 30 years developing both hardware and software for automotive use and have been there done that. When someone like Musk starts talking my BS radar turns up a notch. What I have found is that it is easier to take someone that has in depth understanding of the system that is to be controlled along with all the issues involved and teach them to program than it is to teach a programmer all the subtle nuances of what is being controlled. 

It is easy to tell the people asking "what if" to go away but in reality you need to have a valid answer to ALL questions. 

Some may remember Ralf Sarich. How did that turn out after huge wads of government cash. We should all be driving a car fitted with an orbital engine but for all the technical issues they could not overcome.

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http://www.forbes.com/sites/samabuelsamid/2016/11/13/tesla-autopiliot-owner-survey-shows-small-but-significant-fraction-dont-understand-limitations/#d78a46725fe2

 

Bottom line : There's always going to be a small % of nongs , and pushing technology to the redline too soon will burn fingers. And I'm not talking about Samsung Galaxies.

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http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/vehicle-manufacturers-need-to-do-more-to-keep-up-with-hackers-says-transport-expert/news-story/06221caf5a2f4b3c5734de10c89ac433

Dr Geers said that as the technology ramped up, cars were at risk from “worms” entering the vehicle.

Geez , my ancient Landy lives outside and I'm yet to find a single worm ;) Perhaps the lizards under the dash keep them at bay.

“The vulnerabilities we discovered in the infrastructure are not a fault of any one device or design choice, but rather show a systemic lack of security consciousness,” the researchers noted.

Dr Geers said he was concerned that car manufacturers introducing wireless tech into cars weren’t keeping up with the hackers.

Dr Geers said there were several reasons why someone might want to remotely mess with your car.

“Firstly, there’s the Mt Everest justification — it’s there and I just want to do it. Then there’s criminal activity where you cause mayhem, whether that is state sponsored or terrorist in origin.”

But there was another reason, and that could come from the manufacturers themselves. The increasing automation in cars could encourage them to, for instance, force motorists to only use their spare parts. Any attempt to use a third party part could be detected and lead to the car shutting down.

 Crank yankers eh?

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Whilst we're hoeing the boots in , you'd feel a bit nervous if you had one of the early clunkers http://www.cnbc.com/2016/10/24/consumer-reports-ranks-tesla-near-bottom-for-reliability.html

 

Not to mention laying awake at night wondering if you have plugged it in and the reoccurring nightmare of it going flat and bricking.  I prefer my cars to be designed and built by people that know what they are doing and NOT computer geeks. 

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