turboT Posted 7October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 (edited) As far as I'm aware, if the vehicle's engine is of the same capacity, i.e 4 cylinder, it shouldn't be a problem if it is mounted in the original engine mounts, or a derivative ofexactly ( only taken three pages to explain that one ) Edited 7October, 2016 by turboT michel and LeeM 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 I should have remembered it when I looked at fitting in a 6cyl in the 912! Also 'think' it needs to be of the same appearance. Though that's here in SA the nanna state, where you can't even have a metallic type paint of the same colour if it didn't come out with it originally! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 Fuk me - 4 pages and I'm not sure he's even bought the car Sorry forgot the smiley cheesy emojii TE911, Scott930, turboT and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vl gra Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 Can't you put a 3.0 engine in and then put the car on club reg/permit like what can be done down in Vic? Think you will very disappointed with power going from a 930 to a 4cyl!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 Can't you put a 3.0 engine in and then put the car on club reg/permit like what can be done down in Vic? Think you will very disappointed with power going from a 930 to a 4cyl!!!not for compliance. Needs to be as per original spec (or close to) to get through + a few bits like seat belts and headlights will need to be upgraded (just been though it with my 930). Afterwards you can put what you like in it but I am trying to avoid doing two engine installs. 200+bhp in a 912 will more than enough. You can basically pick the car up with your hands ? firstone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 they would be a bit simple to mistake a dusty 912 for a Singer back date mate. Getting her washed today to see how she looks sans dust, but any body work will be underneath. Will probably maintain the patina Where do I suggest that customs would mistake it for a Singer? That would be ridiculous, not least because I doubt they would even know what one is. I didn't realise you were only going to do structural body issues under the skin and leave the outer as is. The issues could potentially come about if you were doing a full reno. The key thing is not to arouse their suspicions. If the car looks like it could be a $9k car then no problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy468 Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 not for compliance. Needs to be as per original spec (or close to) to get through + a few bits like seat belts and headlights will need to be upgraded (just been though it with my 930). Afterwards you can put what you like in it but I am trying to avoid doing two engine installs. 200+bhp in a 912 will more than enough. You can basically pick the car up with your hands ?""200+bhp in a 912 will more than enough"" - Tomnus, remember the outlaw code - ""no amount is ever enough! turboT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 8October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 8October, 2016 Where do I suggest that customs would mistake it for a Singer? That would be ridiculous, not least because I doubt they would even know what one is. I didn't realise you were only going to do structural body issues under the skin and leave the outer as is. The issues could potentially come about if you were doing a full reno. The key thing is not to arouse their suspicions. If the car looks like it could be a $9k car then no problems.jeeezzz are all ex RS owners this sensitive ??? Machines and macchiatos on tomorrow mate. You up for a 6.20 meet in Paddington lane? Or maybe see you there as your place at PLC might be closer? Mike D'Silva 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 8October, 2016 Report Share Posted 8October, 2016 jeeezzz are all ex RS owners this sensitive ??? Machines and macchiatos on tomorrow mate. You up for a 6.20 meet in Paddington lane? Or maybe see you there as your place at PLC might be closer?That's me. A sensitive soul!I am doing some work on the car and i will need to see if I can get it finished today. If I can, I will see you there. Do you have a convoy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonoF Posted 8October, 2016 Report Share Posted 8October, 2016 or maybe the Oz 930's days are numbered...I'd seriously consider buying it. Mates rates to keep it purring around the streets of Paddo??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 8October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 8October, 2016 That's me. A sensitive soul!I am doing some work on the car and i will need to see if I can get it finished today. If I can, I will see you there. Do you have a convoy?me and Jad so far I'd seriously consider buying it. Mates rates to keep it purring around the streets of Paddo???your wife would divorce you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonoF Posted 8October, 2016 Report Share Posted 8October, 2016 To be honest - I'd sell all my Ducatis and 911s for your silver 930. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonoF Posted 9October, 2016 Report Share Posted 9October, 2016 @turboT - to get rego, just chuck a Formula Vee race engine into the outlaw. 1600cc VW 4 cylinder race engine. A fast and cheap drop in option... www.ebay.com.au/ulk/itm/201680279281This bloke has had his Formula Vee for sale for a year now. He'd probably take $7000 for the whole race car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 9October, 2016 Report Share Posted 9October, 2016 Need engine mounts changed to do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANF Posted 9October, 2016 Report Share Posted 9October, 2016 @turboT - to get rego, just chuck a Formula Vee race engine into the outlaw. 1600cc VW 4 cylinder race engine. A fast and cheap drop in option... www.ebay.com.au/ulk/itm/201680279281This bloke has had his Formula Vee for sale for a year now. He'd probably take $7000 for the whole race car. Not sure if this would prove to be worth while? No experience in the 1600s, but the 1200s are no more powerful than a standard engine, maybe a bit of balancing but otherwise stock. They fly in 375kg (or what ever it is now/ for the 1600s) but may struggle to move a 912....? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 9October, 2016 Report Share Posted 9October, 2016 Not sure if this would prove to be worth while? No experience in the 1600s, but the 1200s are no more powerful than a standard engine, maybe a bit of balancing but otherwise stock. They fly in 375kg (or what ever it is now/ for the 1600s) but may struggle to move a 912....?Indeed , the lowly power combined with the lowly weight is what makes Formula V work. A man used to curling 250kg won't find much thrill in curling 40 odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 9October, 2016 Report Share Posted 9October, 2016 As per my post above, the modification required to install a VW engine of any size is not worth it. I looked into it at length with VW and Porsche experts before I rebuilt my 912 engine. The costs, plus sourcing the VW engine, rebuilding it, chassis mods, engineering it for rego etc etc made it a costly and pointless exercise With all due respect, Tom has obviously looked at a few options with this car, and it has been clearly stated that a 200hp Polo engine is his personal priority. I have also mentioned that I would prefer he install a flat 6 or a hot 912 engine, yet any talk of a VW being used is a waste of time. Yes its been done before, so have WRX turbo's etc, yet with Australian regulations, it would be a pain in the arse to gain a roadworthy certificate without spending an uneccesary amount of cash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 9October, 2016 Report Share Posted 9October, 2016 amount of cashIt's only money Lee; the man has spent a bit on a garage after all LeeM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 10October, 2016 Report Share Posted 10October, 2016 As per my post above, the modification required to install a VW engine of any size is not worth it. I looked into it at length with VW and Porsche experts before I rebuilt my 912 engine. The costs, plus sourcing the VW engine, rebuilding it, chassis mods, engineering it for rego etc etc made it a costly and pointless exercise With all due respect, Tom has obviously looked at a few options with this car, and it has been clearly stated that a 200hp Polo engine is his personal priority. I have also mentioned that I would prefer he install a flat 6 or a hot 912 engine, yet any talk of a VW being used is a waste of time. Yes its been done before, so have WRX turbo's etc, yet with Australian regulations, it would be a pain in the arse to gain a roadworthy certificate without spending an uneccesary amount of cash It seems like the waters are getting muddied for Tom, with regards to original engine talk. It is NOT an issue to install the 911 6 Cyl - Talk to the engineer that will certify the carIt CAN be an issue to get import approval of a modified car/hot-road - Talk to DOTARS or the importer to bring the car (they may advocate bring it in without motor in situ) There IS an issue with aftermarket engine blocks, I'm not sure of the way around this personally - again talk to the engineer. Be mindful pre 76 cars are NOT subject to ADR's so there is a lot of "handy" loopholes should you wish to modify. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonoF Posted 10October, 2016 Report Share Posted 10October, 2016 @turboT - sorry for trying to help mate. I'll stay out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 10October, 2016 Report Share Posted 10October, 2016 Jono, my posts are not having a go at you or anyone else mate. I am just stating that I have been down this path, and its a waste of time and money, with potential headaches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 10October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 10October, 2016 Jeez leave you lot alone for a few hours and look what happens ?Seller gone a bit quiet...hoping no Jono scam right now. Trawled his facebook and I have all the identities of his children as security ...and enough bullshit talk about VW engines and 912 engines. We are know they are underpowered crap. That is why 911's were invented behold the 'best of both worlds' - Isn't she pretty Scott930, poli84, MFX and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vl gra Posted 10October, 2016 Report Share Posted 10October, 2016 Can you school me on what a Polo engine is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ByronBayChris Posted 10October, 2016 Report Share Posted 10October, 2016 Why not buy my 993 and use that engine ?http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-Carrera-1994/SSE-AD-3681672 turboT and BlitzKonig 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 10October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 10October, 2016 Can you school me on what a Polo engine is?http://www.polomotor.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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