Robert930 Posted 5October, 2016 Report Share Posted 5October, 2016 I had a 912 (RS Replica) with a VW Type 1 engine, not a bad little car, they do handle very well as they are quite light in the back with the 4cylMy suggestion (taking into consideration what I think you'll be happy with)Polo - Too pricey, and I couldn't stomach to see such a fine work of engineering in a ratty car than needs floor pans (btw have you worked out the cost of replacing these...?)....and hate to say it....rusty floor pans, can be the tip of the iceberg....ok I'm stopping now, back onto "envisioning, unicorns and rainbows///with glitter"Original 912 engine....booooring...yawn, besides, this car has departed the originality days, so why try nowEnter....a neck snapping and period looking engine, 2.4 ltr VW engine with a Porsche style cooling fan setup....what $10K did you say??? Faaark ! Press 1 now....get that credit card out http://bergmannvw.net/Website-New/pages/Engines/engines-super_flow.htmlYou'd be quite surprised how well this would go in a light car like that 912 BJM, Ozvino and turboT 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 5October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 5October, 2016 I had a 912 (RS Replica) with a VW Type 1 engine, not a bad little car, they do handle very well as they are quite light in the back with the 4cylMy suggestion (taking into consideration what I think you'll be happy with)Polo - Too pricey, and I couldn't stomach to see such a fine work of engineering in a ratty car than needs floor pans (btw have you worked out the cost of replacing these...?)....and hate to say it....rusty floor pans, can be the tip of the iceberg....ok I'm stopping now, back onto "envisioning, unicorns and rainbows///with glitter"Original 912 engine....booooring...yawn, besides, this car has departed the originality days, so why try nowEnter....a neck snapping and period looking engine, 2.4 ltr VW engine with a Porsche style cooling fan setup....what $10K did you say??? Faaark ! Press 1 now....get that credit card out http://bergmannvw.net/Website-New/pages/Engines/engines-super_flow.htmlYou'd be quite surprised how well this would go in a light car like that 912yeah - no unicorns cost $9k, but I'll reach out to the LA outlaw fraternity for a shop that can fix the pans and anything else that pops up Rob. That engine looks like it would easily fit, but would it get though compliance? I will ask the guys that know. Very shiney. Not quite as cool though 5 gauge - only the early fellas were typically 3it's a 67 so not an early car. Love the green gauges. Bit confused by the orange lights over them, but there are a few aftermarket anomalies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 (edited) yeah - no unicorns cost $9k, but I'll reach out to the LA outlaw fraternity for a shop that can fix the pans and anything else that pops up Rob. That engine looks like it would easily fit, but would it get though compliance? I will ask the guys that know. Very shiney. Not quite as cool thoughThis is probably the smartest thing you can do if you have contacts stateside that you can trust ^^ Get the expensive bodywork done over there, it will probably cost you a lot less if you do it wisely... but just be wary that our yardstick of good bodywork doesn't even register on the USA's radar, because their average standard is so crap... I would even reach out to the top of town guys like emory motorsports if you can, guys that know how to manipulate metal. Because as Rob said, floor pans is just the beginning usually, that rust gets into everything connecting the floor pans to to body, i.e. rocker panels (sills), wheel wells, strut towers etc... take it from someone who's done such a resto. You may need some custom sections fabbed up to save you cutting out a whole rocker panel. Then there is the mexican way of just dropping the new ones over old, silicon and rivets... Edited 6October, 2016 by edgy spiller 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 Then there is the mexican way of just dropping the new ones over old, silicon and rivets... There is a reason LA bodyshop work seems cheap Get full photo documentation along the way. It adds to provenance assuming it's been done properly. spiller 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandy468 Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 This is probably the smartest thing you can do if you have contacts stateside that you can trust ^^ Get the expensive bodywork done over there, it will probably cost you a lot less if you do it wisely... but just be wary that our yardstick of good bodywork doesn't even register on the USA's radar, because their average standard is so crap... I would even reach out to the top of town guys like emory motorsports if you can, guys that know how to manipulate metal. Because as Rob said, floor pans is just the beginning usually, that rust gets into everything connecting the floor pans to to body, i.e. rocker panels (sills), wheel wells, strut towers etc... take it from someone who's done such a resto. You may need some custom sections fabbed up to save you cutting out a whole rocker panel. Then there is the mexican way of just dropping the new ones over old, silicon and rivets... Yep a whole can of worms having bodywork done in the states from afar .... by the way Tomnus congrats on buying well ...so far.....""Then there is the mexican way of just dropping the new ones over old, silicon and rivets... """.. And what's wrong with that may I ask, it's over engineering compared to the Blaxland way of repairwork, just glueing! Shady Speedway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 6October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 Then there is the mexican way of just dropping the new ones over old, silicon and rivets... thought that was the Blue mountains way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WOKA Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 'The Hilltop Hood...' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 (edited) thought that was the Blue mountains way? No, they use a special adhesive & bolts.... its quite a bit more sophisticated & specialised. Edited 6October, 2016 by edgy turboT 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 Floor pans are CHEAP to buy and install if you go to the right people, not 'Porsche specialists', yet it can be just the start with potential sill rust etc. My 66 only needed floors yet nothing else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 I think it depends on why rusty.leaking windows = floor plansdriving on salty roads = sillssome lucky people get both. Most of the horror shows you see on UK forums seem to have solid pans. Probably because they are galvanised cars - the early cars rotted away decades prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 Hopefully that Kansas car has been in the barn a long time , and driven in summer only. Google "salt belt"! Ozvino 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 6October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 definitely no engine (did get offered one for $5k today) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 Grab the engine and send it to me Tom. Will get Buiks to rebuild it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 6October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 (edited) Grab the engine and send it to me Tom. Will get Buiks to rebuild itwhat would they charge to rebuild mate? + install Edited 6October, 2016 by turboT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 what would they charge to rebuild mate? + install Will callya guvna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 definitely no engine (did get offered one for $5k today)Have you checked the front?Strange to see what look like brand new Bilstien Sport shocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 6October, 2016 Report Share Posted 6October, 2016 +1 on the dodgy US bodywork. In my years working in panel shops I saw quite a few imported cars from over there, and generally they were good from far, but far from good. Very rough work most of the time, and you didn't need to be an expert to pick it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 If you bring that in as-is, you're going to pay SFA tax/import on it.id send the engine separate unless it jacks the freight cost massively.Then again I'd just look for a local 2.7 or 3.0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 If you bring that in as-is, you're going to pay SFA tax/import on it.id send the engine separate unless it jacks the freight cost massively.Then again I'd just look for a local 2.7 or 3.0.the only tax I would have to pay on the car would be GST and 10% on 9k aint that much. If I import the engine separately i would be up for GST and duty on the engine. If the car just happens to have an engine in it, as most cars seem to do, it is just treated as the one item and based on the value that I bought the car at. The documentation will just state i bought a car for $9k and it has a title. So i am up for $900 in tax and the cost to ship the car.Almost definitely leaning towards getting all work done in the US. The actual cost of the POLO engine is $17k. They then just charge $20+ for the assembly and installation. By the time I have found, bought, had rebuilt and installed an old 912 engine, I will be up for similar coin, and will have the collective power of a couple of vespas. POLO is 200hp +. 2.7 or 3.0 is not an option as it won't get through compliance, and i don't see the point of buying and installing two engines. Costs would get crazy. LeeM, Mike-S and poli84 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 I would certainly get the engine done in the US, but I would be wary of getting the body done there. The customs rules have lots of loop holes, but the customs guys aren't stupid. If the car comes into the country in decent condition, they won't believe the $9k purchase price and will want to see more documentary evidence. It could cause a whole world of pain. I believe that at best, you risk paying tax on the cost of the car plus the cost of all the work, while at worst, they consider it a rebuilt car and don't let it in (the Singer problem).I believe your best bet would be to get the engine done and the disconnect the lid opening mechanism to stop prying eyes (but leave an ancillary way of opening it). Make sure the car will not start. Then I don't think they will question the $9k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 I would certainly get the engine done in the US, but I would be wary of getting the body done there. The customs rules have lots of loop holes, but the customs guys aren't stupid. If the car comes into the country in decent condition, they won't believe the $9k purchase price and will want to see more documentary evidence. It could cause a whole world of pain. I believe that at best, you risk paying tax on the cost of the car plus the cost of all the work, while at worst, they consider it a rebuilt car and don't let it in (the Singer problem).I believe your best bet would be to get the engine done and the disconnect the lid opening mechanism to stop prying eyes (but leave an ancillary way of opening it). Make sure the car will not start. Then I don't think they will question the $9k.they would be a bit simple to mistake a dusty 912 for a Singer back date mate. Getting her washed today to see how she looks sans dust, but any body work will be underneath. Will probably maintain the patina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 Does a Polo engine qualify as correct for period or will Customs jump in and call it a modern replacement thus incurring extra duty and headaches? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 7October, 2016 Author Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 Does a Polo engine qualify as correct for period or will Customs jump in and call it a modern replacement thus incurring extra duty and headaches?I honestly don't think they will care but the reason for the polo in the first place is that it is a 4 cylinder and this is technically period correct for the 912 so can get through compliance this end. I might option the 'patina' finish LeeM 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 Does a Polo engine qualify as correct for period or will Customs jump in and call it a modern replacement thus incurring extra duty and headaches?....and the same compliance issues as a 2.7 or 3.0 I would have thought? Do they have original 912 engine numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 7October, 2016 Report Share Posted 7October, 2016 As far as I'm aware, if the vehicle's engine is of the same capacity, i.e 4 cylinder, it shouldn't be a problem if it is mounted in the original engine mounts, or a derivative of Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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