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Converting to R Gruppe


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Overseas alot and thinking about selling my 996 series 2 and converting an an early car to r Gruppe hot rod.

 

Forget about what it is worth at the end.

I am overseas alot and love driving my car when I am back.

What would it cost?? to convert an 78 911 {$20K out of NZ} into a st replica toy?

I have a Bmw 3.0 cs as well, I love the 70's hot rod look.

This is the look I like with fuel filler through hood.

 

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I think I've posted this before. A quote out of a Sydney shop back in 2011:

 

To convert to ST with all parts steel flares $ 36,500.00

That’s for a full strip down and new seals new lenses new custom made wheels with tyres

 

supply & weld steel front & rear flares   $ 10500.00

bare metal & paint $ 15000.00

supply all parts incl front locking panel front hood duck tail front & rear bars made to suit ST front bliner units horn grills with chrome surround lenses  $ 4500.00 polish all aloy parts $ 1350.00 custom made wheels with new tires $  5500.00

 

Add some more for the fuel filler in the hood.

 

And this is what they look like:

 

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it adds up as above

 

but are you only doing external only or full monty interior engine etcetcetc

 

plenty choices to make

 

steel panels  - factory versus repro

interior -  factory vs repro

engine work?

suspension upgrades?

 

and on

 

call ZAG - they have 'specialised' in back dates , though plenty of other shops can do it.

 

John who runs St-Classic in NZ did a low budget job himself on a forward dated 73 2 years ago - have a look on early911nz

 

are you handy with a spanner?

 

FYI Singer's start at approx 350,000USD http://singervehicledesign.com/

 

this guy knows his stuff http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/716480-cheap-long-hood-another-back-date-project.html

 

http://www.tremotorsports.com/page.cfm?Node=10315

 

http://www.early911.co.uk/html/backdate.html

 

http://www.historika.co.uk/porsche-parts/Porsche-911-Backdate-Kit-Package/226.htm

 

or http://911backdateproject.tumblr.com/

 

 

http://www.flickr.com/photos/73065785@N07/sets/72157628850290649/

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Big difference in creating the 'look' from the outside and creating an inside out rebuilt car to match the look. A few have popped up on the market recently that have the 'look' but other than that are untouched and tired.

It's a tough question to answer and really depends on what kind of end result you are after? Turning something like that NZ car into something that resembles the desired pictured car with an interior and engine bay to match would potentially be a +50k exercise + the donor car. Do it right and you can build your ultimate 911 - ultimately priceless!!!!!

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I haven't gone all the way back to long hood or ST and luckily for me a lot of the body work was done already but still I'd say I'm up to a metric shit tonne and climbing, but hey what else am I going to spend it on.

 

Cheers Al

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Buying me beer?

Do you remember where I got that saying from? The Metric one? A post from you last year after we met at Macleans bridge  :D Can't remember the forum but you posted a pic of my car saying exactly that LOL

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I think I've spent 5 figures every year on mine. Does that qualify as a metric sh!t tonne?

Quozl, I remember Craig offered me your car about three weeks after I bought mine. Please don't tell me your metric tonne is less, otherwise I'd regret getting yours.

 

No, I shouldn't say that. I don't regret for a minute getting mine!!

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I think I've spent 5 figures every year on mine. Does that qualify as a metric sh!t tonne?

Quozl, I remember Craig offered me your car about three weeks after I bought mine. Please don't tell me your metric tonne is less, otherwise I'd regret getting yours.

 

No, I shouldn't say that. I don't regret for a minute getting mine!!

I've done huge amounts of work from where Craig had the car so I'm not counting his investment, although I'm appreciative that I don't have to spend what he did on it, on top of what I have already, and I still have a long long way to go.

 

As with all of us I doubt if any of these projects are ever truly finished unless you've got millions behind you and can do it all at once.

 

Anyway enough of the thread hijack, great to have another project to follow and now pkulpa is back I look forward to the updates.

 

Cheers Al

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For what it's worth, my 1974 RS will owe me in excess of $120,000, just, when it's ready for its first event in May. I tried to buy one already set up and couldn't for less than $130,000,

If I look at the receipts from the previous owner they read something like this.

Buy 1976 Australian delivered 930 turbo for $45,000.

Sell engine gearbox interior and recoup $15,000.

Net starting cost $30,000.

Add $160,000 in seam welding, painting, building new engine and gearbox, LSD, suspension, brakes, and all the myriad other parts.

Total cost $190,000 and counting.

Sell to me and I add another $20,000 to get it really sorted by my gun mechanic.

So it's got over $200,000 sunk in it as it stands.

Hard to believe but that includes competition things you might not want like a cage, harnesses, 17" wheels x 8, new sticky tyres, 3.4 engine, 915 box with good ratios, LSD, bilsteins, tarrett bars, and so on. It's a competitive tarmac rally car in prime condition ready to go.

So if you can try to start with the right car, one which has had the awkward expensive bits dealt with, and then go at it to get it the way you'd like it to look. The body may turn out to be cheap part.

I can break the cost down in more detail via PM if you really need to know

I think if you can do what Al and I have done and at least start with the right base car you are going to be so much better off.

The numbers can get very scary whichever way you go but it's a great joy to get the car you really want in the end, one you can't buy off the shelf.

I'd try to find a base car that already has a sharp engine and chassis and make it look like whatever you like using someone like ZAG as Stardust suggested.

Good luck if you go ahead. There's a lot of us who can help out with advice if you need it but in the it's your cheque book that will need the strength to endure.

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Always good to start with a solid car as per the posting above - saves some $$$$

A sobering thought there was a black RS backdate mid 80's carrera??? with blackmans red leather interior that sold about 12 months ago? In Victoria. First listed for almost 80k it's sale priced dropped dramatically before it finally did sell. Looked the goods that could have been a solid start. Also shows how the current market can treat these things irrespective of how good they're done.

Btw if anyone remenbers it did anyone here buy it?

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When I first bought my 911, Grant from Autohaus let slip that a car like John Ireland's green tarmac rally 911 would owe over $250k.

 

I laughed at him and said who would do such a thing when you can plonk that money on a 997?

 

He must have smirked knowing what I now know: I'm an air-cooled convert and if I had that dough I'd do the same as John and Simon.

 

It's always a matter of "how fast can you afford to go".

 

The competitions I currently run my car in require a Wife restrictor between the accelerator and the exhaust. The Wife is an expensive bit of kit and you can get them made in carbon fibre or the more expensive unobtanium version but they work brilliantly - they limit power output quite significantly, which is what the FIA rules for my class of racing requires.

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The best way to bypass the wife restrictor that I've found is to locate it in the co driving seat at rallies. It's a small mod but if you can make it work in this area of the car it's well worth the upgrade in spending capacity.  :lol:

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