pkulpa Posted 27March, 2014 Report Share Posted 27March, 2014 Overseas alot and thinking about selling my 996 series 2 and converting an an early car to r Gruppe hot rod. Forget about what it is worth at the end. I am overseas alot and love driving my car when I am back. What would it cost?? to convert an 78 911 {$20K out of NZ} into a st replica toy? I have a Bmw 3.0 cs as well, I love the 70's hot rod look. This is the look I like with fuel filler through hood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkulpa Posted 27March, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 27March, 2014 This is the car. $25K nz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardust Posted 27March, 2014 Report Share Posted 27March, 2014 I think I've posted this before. A quote out of a Sydney shop back in 2011: To convert to ST with all parts steel flares $ 36,500.00 That’s for a full strip down and new seals new lenses new custom made wheels with tyres supply & weld steel front & rear flares $ 10500.00 bare metal & paint $ 15000.00 supply all parts incl front locking panel front hood duck tail front & rear bars made to suit ST front bliner units horn grills with chrome surround lenses $ 4500.00 polish all aloy parts $ 1350.00 custom made wheels with new tires $ 5500.00 Add some more for the fuel filler in the hood. And this is what they look like: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 27March, 2014 Report Share Posted 27March, 2014 it adds up as above but are you only doing external only or full monty interior engine etcetcetc plenty choices to make steel panels - factory versus repro interior - factory vs repro engine work? suspension upgrades? and on call ZAG - they have 'specialised' in back dates , though plenty of other shops can do it. John who runs St-Classic in NZ did a low budget job himself on a forward dated 73 2 years ago - have a look on early911nz are you handy with a spanner? FYI Singer's start at approx 350,000USD http://singervehicledesign.com/ this guy knows his stuff http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/716480-cheap-long-hood-another-back-date-project.html http://www.tremotorsports.com/page.cfm?Node=10315 http://www.early911.co.uk/html/backdate.html http://www.historika.co.uk/porsche-parts/Porsche-911-Backdate-Kit-Package/226.htm or http://911backdateproject.tumblr.com/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/73065785@N07/sets/72157628850290649/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 27March, 2014 Report Share Posted 27March, 2014 Big difference in creating the 'look' from the outside and creating an inside out rebuilt car to match the look. A few have popped up on the market recently that have the 'look' but other than that are untouched and tired. It's a tough question to answer and really depends on what kind of end result you are after? Turning something like that NZ car into something that resembles the desired pictured car with an interior and engine bay to match would potentially be a +50k exercise + the donor car. Do it right and you can build your ultimate 911 - ultimately priceless!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 31March, 2014 Report Share Posted 31March, 2014 I'd argue it could cost $100K + the donor car. Especially if you want an all out 2.4L on carbs. I like this ST replica: http://www.autofarm.co.uk/pdf/ST_PROOF.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 31March, 2014 Report Share Posted 31March, 2014 I'd argue it could cost $100K + the donor car. Especially if you want an all out 2.4L on carbs. I like this ST replica: http://www.autofarm.co.uk/pdf/ST_PROOF.pdf Once you start its hard to know when to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozl Posted 1April, 2014 Report Share Posted 1April, 2014 I haven't gone all the way back to long hood or ST and luckily for me a lot of the body work was done already but still I'd say I'm up to a metric shit tonne and climbing, but hey what else am I going to spend it on. Cheers Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 1April, 2014 Report Share Posted 1April, 2014 Buying me beer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozl Posted 1April, 2014 Report Share Posted 1April, 2014 Buying me beer? Do you remember where I got that saying from? The Metric one? A post from you last year after we met at Macleans bridge Can't remember the forum but you posted a pic of my car saying exactly that LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cal Posted 1April, 2014 Report Share Posted 1April, 2014 LOL can't remember the forum either. PF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkulpa Posted 1April, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 1April, 2014 Finally back in Australia! It would be a long term project. Body first, engine would stay stock for awhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardust Posted 1April, 2014 Report Share Posted 1April, 2014 I think I've spent 5 figures every year on mine. Does that qualify as a metric sh!t tonne? Quozl, I remember Craig offered me your car about three weeks after I bought mine. Please don't tell me your metric tonne is less, otherwise I'd regret getting yours. No, I shouldn't say that. I don't regret for a minute getting mine!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 1April, 2014 Report Share Posted 1April, 2014 It would be a long term project. Body first, engine would stay stock for awhile. Famous last words! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozl Posted 1April, 2014 Report Share Posted 1April, 2014 I think I've spent 5 figures every year on mine. Does that qualify as a metric sh!t tonne? Quozl, I remember Craig offered me your car about three weeks after I bought mine. Please don't tell me your metric tonne is less, otherwise I'd regret getting yours. No, I shouldn't say that. I don't regret for a minute getting mine!! I've done huge amounts of work from where Craig had the car so I'm not counting his investment, although I'm appreciative that I don't have to spend what he did on it, on top of what I have already, and I still have a long long way to go. As with all of us I doubt if any of these projects are ever truly finished unless you've got millions behind you and can do it all at once. Anyway enough of the thread hijack, great to have another project to follow and now pkulpa is back I look forward to the updates. Cheers Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkulpa Posted 6April, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 6April, 2014 This could be the good base car maybe, 1974 aus del. $27,000 neg? http://www.gumtree.com.au/s-ad/bunbury-6230/cars-vans-utes/porsche-911-carerra-/1043181077 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonoz Posted 9April, 2014 Report Share Posted 9April, 2014 For what it's worth, my 1974 RS will owe me in excess of $120,000, just, when it's ready for its first event in May. I tried to buy one already set up and couldn't for less than $130,000, If I look at the receipts from the previous owner they read something like this. Buy 1976 Australian delivered 930 turbo for $45,000. Sell engine gearbox interior and recoup $15,000. Net starting cost $30,000. Add $160,000 in seam welding, painting, building new engine and gearbox, LSD, suspension, brakes, and all the myriad other parts. Total cost $190,000 and counting. Sell to me and I add another $20,000 to get it really sorted by my gun mechanic. So it's got over $200,000 sunk in it as it stands. Hard to believe but that includes competition things you might not want like a cage, harnesses, 17" wheels x 8, new sticky tyres, 3.4 engine, 915 box with good ratios, LSD, bilsteins, tarrett bars, and so on. It's a competitive tarmac rally car in prime condition ready to go. So if you can try to start with the right car, one which has had the awkward expensive bits dealt with, and then go at it to get it the way you'd like it to look. The body may turn out to be cheap part. I can break the cost down in more detail via PM if you really need to know I think if you can do what Al and I have done and at least start with the right base car you are going to be so much better off. The numbers can get very scary whichever way you go but it's a great joy to get the car you really want in the end, one you can't buy off the shelf. I'd try to find a base car that already has a sharp engine and chassis and make it look like whatever you like using someone like ZAG as Stardust suggested. Good luck if you go ahead. There's a lot of us who can help out with advice if you need it but in the it's your cheque book that will need the strength to endure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 9April, 2014 Report Share Posted 9April, 2014 Always good to start with a solid car as per the posting above - saves some $$$$ A sobering thought there was a black RS backdate mid 80's carrera??? with blackmans red leather interior that sold about 12 months ago? In Victoria. First listed for almost 80k it's sale priced dropped dramatically before it finally did sell. Looked the goods that could have been a solid start. Also shows how the current market can treat these things irrespective of how good they're done. Btw if anyone remenbers it did anyone here buy it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardust Posted 10April, 2014 Report Share Posted 10April, 2014 When I first bought my 911, Grant from Autohaus let slip that a car like John Ireland's green tarmac rally 911 would owe over $250k. I laughed at him and said who would do such a thing when you can plonk that money on a 997? He must have smirked knowing what I now know: I'm an air-cooled convert and if I had that dough I'd do the same as John and Simon. It's always a matter of "how fast can you afford to go". The competitions I currently run my car in require a Wife restrictor between the accelerator and the exhaust. The Wife is an expensive bit of kit and you can get them made in carbon fibre or the more expensive unobtanium version but they work brilliantly - they limit power output quite significantly, which is what the FIA rules for my class of racing requires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 10April, 2014 Report Share Posted 10April, 2014 The competitions I currently run my car in require a Wife restrictor......... I thought this was a joke at first glance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stardust Posted 10April, 2014 Report Share Posted 10April, 2014 Unfortunately, it's no joke The FIA (Fun Isn't Allowed) deem it mandatory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonoz Posted 10April, 2014 Report Share Posted 10April, 2014 Very funny Dave, very funny indeed. Just when you think you've heard it all, along comes the Wife restrictor and the FIA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 10April, 2014 Report Share Posted 10April, 2014 Remember a backdate can be an affordable project - building a backdate competitive race car another proposition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 10April, 2014 Report Share Posted 10April, 2014 http://carsales.mobi/cars/details/?R=SSE-AD-2739512&Cr=21g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quozl Posted 10April, 2014 Report Share Posted 10April, 2014 The best way to bypass the wife restrictor that I've found is to locate it in the co driving seat at rallies. It's a small mod but if you can make it work in this area of the car it's well worth the upgrade in spending capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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