Russ Posted 31October, 2013 Report Share Posted 31October, 2013 so I've got a month 'til the skidpan and I've got a worn clutch (and if I keep driving it it'll overheat the flywheel and I need a new one) I've decided to have a go myself - anyone know of any special tools you need? (apart from some Allen keys, a VW output shaft or clutch alignment tool) Sportomatic clutches are a bit different to normal ones obviously, it's an engine out job - then behind the engine is the flex plate and torque converter. On the gearbox side you essentially remove the 'bell housing' (which looks different to a standard one with all sorts of holes cut in it) and then behind that is a clutch disc, pressure plate and flywheel. Anyone out there done it before? There's very limited advice on the internet - on the advice of TD Automotive i'll be changing the rear main seal while I'm there too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 31October, 2013 Report Share Posted 31October, 2013 Did you bookmark this first time around? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/507875-ultimate-maybe-sportomatic-gearbox-rebuild.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamWolf Posted 31October, 2013 Report Share Posted 31October, 2013 is the clutch interchangable with the SC? The one I took out has a lot of life left, but needs to be deglazed. If it's any use you can have it mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 1November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 1November, 2013 Did you bookmark this first time around? http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/507875-ultimate-maybe-sportomatic-gearbox-rebuild.html thanks tazzieman - yeah I did, didn't read too much of it first time (I have asked if he wanted to sell it though lol) is the clutch interchangable with the SC? The one I took out has a lot of life left, but needs to be deglazed. If it's any use you can have it mate thanks but it's actually a 1600 beetle clutch! (it's substantially smaller than a normal 911 one) I've got one with pressure plate coming for around $200 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 2November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 2November, 2013 damnit after spending the morning cleaning up the garage in preparation I'm in 2 minds. my jack and stands are all pretty average - and it'll involve crawling around on the floor, as well as getting the engine out from under the car looks like a challenge on the other hand if I take it to TD (as I've planned initially) they'll just get it done - and I know it's done properly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clutch-monkey Posted 2November, 2013 Report Share Posted 2November, 2013 time vs money hey russ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 2November, 2013 Report Share Posted 2November, 2013 Russ, I've got good stands and a good jack if you need them....time i don't have too much of but could probabably find a couple of hours for when you need a spare pair of hands (dropping it out) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 2November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 2November, 2013 thanks, the only deadline I've got is the skidpan - pretty poor form if i'm not driving a Porsche lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 8November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 8November, 2013 god damnit, it's not a VW beetle clutch (but it might still be the stick shift...) it's 190mm and looks like the below - I've got the guy that used to own/started 'Import Advantage' (before they became imparts) sourcing me something hopefully though if anyone knows of anything close with a solid centre and the same size/shape can they let me know? the way the spring part of the pressure plate is shaped is what makes it different (normal VW ones have a ring on the outside over the top) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 8November, 2013 Report Share Posted 8November, 2013 Is it practical to get your old one re-lined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 8November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 8November, 2013 apparently they shudder if you do that (and it's difficult to manipulate the clutch around it) I can find the Porsche part number from PET, but pelican has no listing for it the below site has a code 001-141-031A which spits up a few things on Google (one of which is a VW clutch) http://www.lufteknic.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=001-141-031A&Category_Code=clutch_disc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 8November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 8November, 2013 although, i think i might be on a winner with this and just reusing my old pressure plate (which is a semi auto/stickshift from a VW) http://www.fcpeuro.com/products/vw-clutch-friction-disc-beetle-karmann-ghia-super-beetle-001141031a Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 8November, 2013 Report Share Posted 8November, 2013 To think, without the internet that would have taken you forever to find! I assume you dropped out the unit without too much trouble then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 8November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 8November, 2013 yeah I'd be stuffed without the internet! - it'd be all down to 100s of phone calls fortunately TD Automotive had a 925 Sportomatic on the floor with the clutch attached, so that's pictures of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911oclock Posted 8November, 2013 Report Share Posted 8November, 2013 Hey Russ, if you are still interested in having a go at the job yourself you are welcome to borrow my jack and stands if you wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 8November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 8November, 2013 thanks for the offer(s) but I've ended up giving it to TD Automotive to do - I was running out of spare weekends before the skidpan too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 9November, 2013 Report Share Posted 9November, 2013 thanks for the offer(s) but I've ended up giving it to TD Automotive to do - I was running out of spare weekends before the skidpan too Just call the clutch job a wee Chrissy present to yourself Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 13November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 13November, 2013 ok, so the latest update - $450 for a throw out bearing from Porsche, and $450 for a clutch disc (pressure plate NLA) ex Germany so won't be here in time for the skidpan anyone got any of the components lying around from a previous sportomatic conversion? The clutch disc is 190mm - so maybe an early golf or Passat too which I'm going to check tomorrow. ARGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I don't understand why no one lists parts online - nothing at pelican! it's not like they're not all that uncommon) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
911oclock Posted 13November, 2013 Report Share Posted 13November, 2013 Sorry Russ can't help with any parts. I think you should put that $900 toward a 915 conversion and be done with it. Uncle has one for sale with some nice wevo stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 13November, 2013 Report Share Posted 13November, 2013 Bugger! Unless originality is important for you, 911oclock's suggestion might be worth considering? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteamWolf Posted 13November, 2013 Report Share Posted 13November, 2013 Not to mebtion add another $5k of value. They can't recondition the old one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 13November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 13November, 2013 They can get the clutch material redone, but they get a shuddering apparently (probably due to the shape of the clutch material on the disc I'm going to stick with sportomatic, its original as is and if I change it I'll still have a 2.7 targa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 16November, 2013 Report Share Posted 16November, 2013 How are the repairs progressing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 20November, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 20November, 2013 Success! I've been chatting to an awesome guy in the US who's done me a deal on all 3 parts, and has some contacts to find replacement bits later which is great (I'm pretty sure he's fairly well known in Porsche circles too) now just trying to get it here and installed before the skidpan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveF Posted 20November, 2013 Report Share Posted 20November, 2013 Good news Russ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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