Gavn Posted 16October, 2018 Report Share Posted 16October, 2018 I'm looking at acquiring either a tip or pdk track car and feel a Cayman would likely be the best approach. I'm wondering if anyone on here has direct experience with running one of these on the track. It's likely that 80% of use would be at Wakefield Park. I'd be considering either a full track set up (meaning wovr cars are an option and no road drives) or taking a currently registered car and going to a rear cage with bolt in front half allowing for occasional road use or getting to the track under its own steam. It seems from research that there is potential for oil starvation issues and it's likely that pdk would offer greater control than tip however most drivers of the car I'm planning would be first time track users who would likely only take the car to 7/10ths over the course of the day, so I'm not certain how much I'd need to worry about those two details. Anyone care to share their experience ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 16October, 2018 Report Share Posted 16October, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gavin (CliffToCoast) said: I'm looking at acquiring either a tip or pdk track car and feel a Cayman would likely be the best approach. I'm wondering if anyone on here has direct experience with running one of these on the track. It's likely that 80% of use would be at Wakefield Park. I'd be considering either a full track set up (meaning wovr cars are an option and no road drives) or taking a currently registered car and going to a rear cage with bolt in front half allowing for occasional road use or getting to the track under its own steam. It seems from research that there is potential for oil starvation issues and it's likely that pdk would offer greater control than tip however most drivers of the car I'm planning would be first time track users who would likely only take the car to 7/10ths over the course of the day, so I'm not certain how much I'd need to worry about those two details. Anyone care to share their experience ? I did a bunch of research back when I had my CS, and the oil starvation seemed to be more of an issue with slicks, but I stand to be corrected. I also heard they could use a larger power steering pulley as they can boil the fluid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavn Posted 16October, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 16October, 2018 11 minutes ago, MFX said: I did a bunch of research back when I had my CS, and the oil starvation seemed to be more of an issue with slicks, but I stand to be corrected. I also heard they could use a larger power steering pulley as they can boil the fluid. Thanks - I don't imagine too much sustained lateral load at Wakefield on r specs. Will investigate the power steering fluid. What was the CS (Cayman S)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFX Posted 16October, 2018 Report Share Posted 16October, 2018 4 minutes ago, Gavin (CliffToCoast) said: Thanks - I don't imagine too much sustained lateral load at Wakefield on r specs. Will investigate the power steering fluid. What was the CS (Cayman S)? Yep 987CS manual. Loved that car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavn Posted 17October, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 17October, 2018 24 minutes ago, MFX said: Yep 987CS manual. Loved that car. Nice - I had an opportunity to drive a pdk cayman a couple of years back at smsp & it was quite fun and very communicative (if ultimately less real somehow than an old banger). We're at the point where it might make sense to have a second track car & while my heart wants something like that red/grey number currently for sale, an auto opens up a whole new set of clients (possibly). The balance of the cayman puts it in front of the 996 alternative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 17October, 2018 Report Share Posted 17October, 2018 Interested to see responses! I'd imagine the PDK is going to give the best track experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavn Posted 17October, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 17October, 2018 1 hour ago, edgy said: Interested to see responses! I'd imagine the PDK is going to give the best track experience. Just had a bit of a chat with someone from pcnsw who is currently running a tipper - response is that the tipper is fine so long as you are braking as well as shifting down & not just banging it down super hard & letting the box do all the work due to overexcitement while driving. 6 months of running at this point including Bathurst. He managed to blow the box by banging it down too hard (however vehicle is a wovr and unknown heritage). Car happily drove home from wakefield in 3rd gear only so that's kind of admirable. Full rebuild (& beefed up) around 5k. Not running any additional coolers and fine on all available circuits in nsw. Baffle kits available & deep sump from LN Engineering if concerned about pick up. Again, won't matter as much at Wakefield as pickup is on the outside of the vehicle (mostly) at that location but it's likely worth doing anyway. After chatting with developers of box (zf) while on hols os their response wass that they designed the box to be driven hard - no need to be delicate (that's 3rd hand info by the time it got to me). I agree that PDK will be better however most of our clients will be in the 'stick it in D' category so I'm not sure if it matters....food for thought. Seems like a goer at this point unless I hear some horror stories. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 17October, 2018 Report Share Posted 17October, 2018 I imagine an 'auto' Cayman would be perfect as a track car. Some R compound tyres, GT4 Clubsport type wing...... ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavn Posted 17October, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 17October, 2018 10 minutes ago, LeeM said: I imagine an 'auto' Cayman would be perfect as a track car. Some R compound tyres, GT4 Clubsport type wing...... ? yes - I agree. Well balanced, easy theatre with wing & decals, flat six right behind your head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 17October, 2018 Report Share Posted 17October, 2018 9 minutes ago, Gavin (CliffToCoast) said: yes - I agree. Well balanced, easy theatre with wing & decals, flat six right behind your head. Sounds like bloody good fun to me! (Learn to left foot brake if you aren't already. You'll understand when you master it) I just got back from the tyre shop to look at the Nangkang AR1 dot approved tyres. No idea what they'd be like compared to similar Toyo etc, yet one customer I spoke to there with a track focussed 300kw Subaru said he changed from Toyo tyres to Nangkang due to cost, yet he is very happy with the AR1's and can buy 2 sets for the price of other brands one set. He highly recommends them. Shop owner said for my SC I should get 5000-7000 kms as a Sunday only hills car. They might be worth a look for yourself on a Cayman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 17October, 2018 Report Share Posted 17October, 2018 48 minutes ago, Gavin (CliffToCoast) said: Just had a bit of a chat with someone from pcnsw who is currently running a tipper - response is that the tipper is fine so long as you are braking as well as shifting down & not just banging it down super hard & letting the box do all the work due to overexcitement while driving. 6 months of running at this point including Bathurst. He managed to blow the box by banging it down too hard (however vehicle is a wovr and unknown heritage). Car happily drove home from wakefield in 3rd gear only so that's kind of admirable. Full rebuild (& beefed up) around 5k. Not running any additional coolers and fine on all available circuits in nsw. Baffle kits available & deep sump from LN Engineering if concerned about pick up. Again, won't matter as much at Wakefield as pickup is on the outside of the vehicle (mostly) at that location but it's likely worth doing anyway. After chatting with developers of box (zf) while on hols os their response wass that they designed the box to be driven hard - no need to be delicate (that's 3rd hand info by the time it got to me). I agree that PDK will be better however most of our clients will be in the 'stick it in D' category so I'm not sure if it matters....food for thought. Seems like a goer at this point unless I hear some horror stories. Hmm, I am interested to see who that is? As I am going to be out at the last Super Sprint this Sunday, would like to have a chat to them. Reason I am interested, we're looking at daily driver replacements, mrs edgy generally uses it Mon-Fri, she said that of the options we spoke of, she'd rather the Boxster (and who am I to argue) but she wants an auto, which I understand she's sick of daily driving manual. So I may find myself throwing my R comps & recaros on a tiptronic boxster soon I'd agree that from a business and maintenance perspective the traditional slush box is going to be the best bet, the PDK will have a finite number of specialist who can actually do work on it when compared to a traditional ZF auto. The few tipper owners that I've spoken to speak well for them once you learn how to drive them. Keep us posted on this adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asyd Posted 17October, 2018 Report Share Posted 17October, 2018 Having run in the PCNSW super sprint and Motorkhanas for awhile now, a leader in both disciplines drives a cayman S pdk for the performance gains the car is seriously fast and capable ( with a great driver) and some suspension work you won’t go wrong down this path cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavn Posted 17October, 2018 Author Report Share Posted 17October, 2018 3 hours ago, edgy said: Hmm, I am interested to see who that is? As I am going to be out at the last Super Sprint this Sunday, would like to have a chat to them. Reason I am interested, we're looking at daily driver replacements, mrs edgy generally uses it Mon-Fri, she said that of the options we spoke of, she'd rather the Boxster (and who am I to argue) but she wants an auto, which I understand she's sick of daily driving manual. So I may find myself throwing my R comps & recaros on a tiptronic boxster soon I'd agree that from a business and maintenance perspective the traditional slush box is going to be the best bet, the PDK will have a finite number of specialist who can actually do work on it when compared to a traditional ZF auto. The few tipper owners that I've spoken to speak well for them once you learn how to drive them. Keep us posted on this adventure Just flicked you a pm mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonk Posted 19October, 2018 Report Share Posted 19October, 2018 I’m planning on taking my 997 tip to Sandown late December. I’ll report back. I’ve read the tip is quite impressive when left in auto mode. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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