Babalouie Posted 24November, 2012 Report Share Posted 24November, 2012 I got a 964, and I would definitely agree that there is a lot more stuffed in them than the impact bumper 911s. If you'd like to see what sort of maintenance you have to do, I have a build thread here: http://forums.rennli...-pic-heavy.html I would definitely agree that weeping through-bolts are a deal-breaker, but it's far more common for them to leak from other places which are externally fixable. Oil leaks from the chain boxes, cam covers, oil pressure sender, and power steering drive are the most common ones. What I would suggest is that any car you are considering buying should be subjected to a pre purchase inspection by a hi-end specialist like Autohaus Hamilton If you were to buy a 964, I would expect that the following jobs would need to be done, and if they weren't done by the previous owner, then it's on your watch and wallet to sort it out I had my car inspected by Hamiltons, and the items that needed doing were deducted from the selling price (it was a private sale), so it all worked out perfectly. - front wishbone rubbers go at about 100,000kms, $500. - engine mounts go at about the same mileage, $500. - a/c evaporator lives behind the dash, and develops corrosion/pinholes at about 15yrs, and is a $2k job because the fuel tank has to come out to access it. - ballast resistors for a/c and oil cooler fans corrode and crumble, and need to be upgraded to the latest part. The parts are only $80, and it's DIYable. If not, a could of hours work for a mech. - clutch hydraulics seem to be a common complaint on the 964 forum, so at some point you'll prolly do it. New master cylinder, slave cylinder, softhose and rollpin...say $500 inc labour. - gearshift linkages need to have the plastic bushes renewed...call it a job at 120k? Parts not exxy, but is say 3hrs labour for a mech. - Climate Control Unit sampling fan will die, and its not economical to replace the whole unit at $5k, but there are various hacks to get around it. At some point, I would say all of the above will happen at every 964, at least before 160,000km. The question is, how much of this has the previous owner done, and how much is going to happen during your ownership. Dealbreakers are the aforementioned through-bolt leaks, and also 964/993s need to have their valve guides replaced sooner than the previous 911s. So that's a top end overhaul that'll be done at about 160-180k, but the upside is that you have a nice, new shiny engine that performs like new again. Call it $8k. Me personally, I love mine, and I reckon that they have all the advantages of character, feel and looks of the older 911s, but they're modern, so they're properly fast. So you won't have any problems keeping up with the turbo-whizzy crowd at trackdays. Here's a vid of me chasing my friend Marcus in his Focus RS. Great bit of gear, but it can't get away from the 964, and the Porsche is about half a second faster Can you see yourself behind the wheel of this? I'm sure you can...suits you, actually http://i106.photobuc...sche/911905.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 24November, 2012 Report Share Posted 24November, 2012 Hugh's car looks great but would have spent $$$ getting there Very true, its hard not too once you get started! I had however spent very little in maintaining the car for the previous 6-7 years of ownership, it was tired but still a solid car. I would love a 964 one day, Babalouie your car looks the biz. Its all such good advice JD & such a great conversation...................... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babalouie Posted 24November, 2012 Report Share Posted 24November, 2012 Also I forgot to mention, that 964/993 have power steering and climate control, so are a very realistic proposition as an everyday car. I use mine as a daily Oh, and if you're a "tuner" kinda guy, the 964s and 993 seem to be more moddable than the earlier cars. There pretty much isn't such a thing as a stock 964 anymore, they're all upgraded in some way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD! Posted 25November, 2012 Author Report Share Posted 25November, 2012 Guys brilliant advice, thank you so much. I went a drove the C4 Grey 964 import from Hong Kong that has the very low kms but he is asking $58k for... Well I need to simply drive another few as you have all mentioned, as this one was like a go cart on rails and in very nice condition to say the least. Went hard, but I do not have a good comparison really. Great interior, albeit Casino Red! I think if a dealer went to look at it they would be saying it is worth in the $40s due to the import thing... But again, I am not even sure I should bother with a PPI until I make the decision on C2 or C4. http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/porsche-911-carrera-1990-12676014?base=1216&vertical=Car&cr=6&eapi=2&__N=1246+1252+1247+1282+4294963765+903+1216&find=964|CarAll&silo=Stock&num=15&sort=default What I can tell you is that I do really like the feel, I really like the more moder interior, and the overall look... My BMW is back on carsales boys, need to try to get this done prior to Christmas!!! Babalouie - I have looked through your thread on Renn... WOW. Long shot, but can you just PLEASE SELL ME YOUR CAR? That pic you posted was great, where is that from? Not a car for sale I would think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babalouie Posted 25November, 2012 Report Share Posted 25November, 2012 The pic was from the launch of the new 991, Porsche wanted to do a timeline of all the generations of 911 leading up to the new one, and my car was lucky to be chosen to represent the 964 series Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD! Posted 25November, 2012 Author Report Share Posted 25November, 2012 Nice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD! Posted 29November, 2012 Author Report Share Posted 29November, 2012 Well a few more phone calls this week and more great conversations. Have talked to a C2 owner that has a track car, would love it, but too $$ and really it is set up for the track... still tempting. Second fella has that beautiful '76 Carrera, very nice guy as well. I am waiting for some more photos over the weekend. Funny how the budget keeps moving... Anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Uncle Posted 30November, 2012 Report Share Posted 30November, 2012 JD do you plan on turning the spanners yourself or will it be shop work? I ask as there is a BIG differance between working on a G series car to a 964. Here is some food for thought either way. I am fairly handy with a spanner and although I've never done the job before it took me 30minutes to change the starter on my 77. 10 minutes of that is getting the car on stands etc. To change a starter on a 964 I am sure Bab's told me it's motor out. Another example is a plug lead change. To do all the leads on my 3.0 takes 10 minutes if you have had alot of beer and working in the dark. To change the leads on a 964 its inlet manifold off etc etc and a full days work in the light with zero beers. I just thought I would offer a bit more than a just how it feels to drive point of view. Get the car you like to feel of the most by all means but if DIY is your bag like it is mine I would think about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doish13 Posted 30November, 2012 Report Share Posted 30November, 2012 ....... To do all the leads on my 3.0 takes 10 minutes if you have had alot of beer and working in the dark. To change the leads on a 964 its inlet manifold off etc etc and a full days work in the light with zero beers. Crack up - I recently had to halt some work on my Track Day motorbike as i had realised i had consumed few too many beers chatting while getting it done and did not trust myself doing anything more on it that night....bike is still on stands and in pieces. I did have the lights on however throughout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD! Posted 2December, 2012 Author Report Share Posted 2December, 2012 Ok this post can only be described as devastated. It has taken me until now to post on the update of what happend since Thursday night. Firstly, a new car came onto carsales on Thursday: http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/porsche-911-1978-13845249?base=1216&vertical=Car&cr=5&eapi=2&__N=1246+1252+1247+1282+4294963765+1216&find=911%201978|CarAll&silo=Stock&num=15&sort=default This is my perfect first Porsche, I was excited as it has everything I am after and more, colour, looks, work... So I call on Friday morning, get the history of the car, backdated by a mechanic who when he sold it to the current owner made him promise if he is going to re-sell it that he has first call on it, always a good sign. I got on the phone to Hugh, he was extremely helpful and talked me through a few things, (God bless this forum)... just before I saw the car. Engine had complete top and bottom rebuild, full receipts 40,000kms ago. $14k from T&D in Qld Gearbox completely re-done and 915 installed - $6k Seats - $5k Re-spray and the car looks amazing. The only thing I didn't love was the bonnet was fiberglass and the front end 'clunked' very badly when going over any potholes or bumps, but I didn't care much. I drove it at lunch, negotiate pending two things, PPI and also I was concerned about insurance as I don't have OSP as you all know. Shook hands on Friday with a deal of my first Porsche... Amazing right? Started calling insurers. Shannons, Lumleys, RACV Vintage none of them will touch it without a lock up garage. AAMI and RACV normal insurance will insure it, however because it is technically a 1978 SC, the value is $25k. I could get nowhere near the value and it's just too risky. I had to call the owner yesterday and tell him the news, I am devastated. This basically means as long as I live where I do, I can't own a Porsche unless I find a lock up garage in the street to keep it in, which is a possibility, but not in the short term. Crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 2December, 2012 Report Share Posted 2December, 2012 Mate! So sad to hear, very unfortunate. Insurance is a bit of a game but as you point out not worth the risk. Really hope you manage to make a plan, did you have a talk to Alex Webster re: insurance options? It would be tragic to buy this car and have someone damage or worse still steal it and get a cheque for 25k - or no cheque at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doish13 Posted 2December, 2012 Report Share Posted 2December, 2012 Mate just my 2 cents worth: You need to get a garage regardless of insurance covering it or not. The alternative is not fair to you or the car. If you were in Sydney I may have been able to assist however I know for a fact - its my business - you can find on websites parking space in cbd's around the country for as little as 50 a week. Better still find an apartment or house near you and do a better deal. This will only take you a week to sort out then with peace of mind get your car. Everything for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 2December, 2012 Report Share Posted 2December, 2012 Looks the business. Surely you can find a garage somewhere? Even long term parking can be found for not ridiculous sums. You could always letterbox or door knock your neighborhood, there might be an old lady who has no car and wouldn't mind a bit of extra cash to top up the pension. You can also hit up friends in neighboring suburbs - the term is 'usually garaged' not 'always garaged'. I'm not suggesting lying to the insurance company, but if it's not a daily driver, a 10 minute trip to get to the car is no big deal. Also insurance companies can sometimes agree to an insured value if you take the car into an assessment centre for them to check out. Your going to keep striking the same problem until you organize a garage, because even of you do get insurance, the price is going to keep climbing higher and higher if the car is on the street in what I assume is inner Melbourne. Did you offer near asking, or go for a discount? The price seems steep to me for a non-original car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD! Posted 5December, 2012 Author Report Share Posted 5December, 2012 Yeah she was a nice car and a nice bloke. I actually might have a garage coming up early next year across the road, as fate had it, I was washing the bimmer out the front and a strange lady stopped by on a bike and started chatting, asking almost strange questions about houses and values, turns out she owns two flats across the road and has been living in Germany for the past nine years. I told her my story, and she says "I have two garages, and I might be renting one and will know early next year!" Nearly fell over. I am seriously thinking about a new house though check THIS out... http://www.12-gaugegarage.com/ As for price, got it down a bit, but yeah, the more I look around the more I think she's a bit over priced, but not miles off. Early 40s would be great, but I think that anywhere around $45 and you're close? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doish13 Posted 5December, 2012 Report Share Posted 5December, 2012 I always used to think when I was 10 yrs old ... If I had the money I would buy a Ferrari and live in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 5December, 2012 Report Share Posted 5December, 2012 I always used to think when I was 10 yrs old ... If I had the money I would buy a Ferrari and live in it. I started saving my pocket money for the purposes of buying a Ferrari when I was old enough to drive. I figured the reason not many people had Ferraris was because they wasted their money on unimportant things. After a while I realised I was never going to make it, and I bought a new bike instead. It was no Ferrari. Now I don't even want a Ferrari. While a new one as a prize would be nice, and I'd gladly borrow one for a day, they just don't do it for me anymore in terms of being a dream car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 10December, 2012 Report Share Posted 10December, 2012 http://www.carsales....?ref=RecentItem FYI this car appears to still be for sale? From memory a few people showed interest but thought it was sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD! Posted 10December, 2012 Author Report Share Posted 10December, 2012 No I spoke to Wayne and it is gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 10December, 2012 Report Share Posted 10December, 2012 Thought that was the case - Wayne needs to remove his ad! Any further developments JD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD! Posted 12December, 2012 Author Report Share Posted 12December, 2012 Well Wayne may have called me and there may be something he may or may not be thinking for me I have a lot of ground work to do in all areas of my life being garage (which incidentally may be solved now and also, more importantly, the wife...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 12December, 2012 Report Share Posted 12December, 2012 Well Wayne may have called me and there may be something he may or may not be thinking for me I have a lot of ground work to do in all areas of my life being garage (which incidentally may be solved now and also, more importantly, the wife...! sounds positive and like things are falling into place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD! Posted 12December, 2012 Author Report Share Posted 12December, 2012 Let's hope so! The first is always bound to be the hardest for me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD! Posted 13December, 2012 Author Report Share Posted 13December, 2012 You EVIL temptress. Why do you turn up now... Looks VERY nice. Expensive though... http://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/porsche-911-carrera-1993-13921361?base=1216&vertical=Car&cr=12&page=2&eapi=2&__N=1246+1252+1247+1282+1216&num=15&silo=Stock&items=%5BMake:PORSCHE,Model:911%20CARRERA,Series:964%5D&sort=default Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 13December, 2012 Report Share Posted 13December, 2012 You'll definitely need a garage for that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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