Harvs11 Posted 7May, 2014 Report Share Posted 7May, 2014 It seems PP postage is a common complaint. http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/809753-pelican-parts-shipping-3.html#post8052517 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 7May, 2014 Report Share Posted 7May, 2014 an answer of sorts - though I keep receiving parcels that are often 50% rarefied yankee air there is this bit of DIY g'head, scratch head... Yes, the answer is RIGHT there on the box-end wrench.I'll 'splain...The hex nut you are turning has 6 points, that wrench has 12. (math: 360°/12=30° ... at 1mm pitch that makes 30° <=> 3.3thou. - the spec being between .002 and .006" )So, who needs the silly pointy tool? You have a great angle reference built right in to the box-end wrench. (point to point is 30° or .0033") And remember, the spec is .004 PLUS OR MINUS .002 (read: the tolerance is Huge! ...don't make the work so hard.)PS, I find .004" to often be a bit noisy. Shooting for the .0033 (1/12th a turn) keeps 'em quiet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 7May, 2014 Report Share Posted 7May, 2014 It seems PP postage is a common complaint.http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/809753-pelican-parts-shipping-3.html#post8052517 I'm not sure I'm a big fan of Wayne's response about not knowing the cubic measurement of his products. Everything freight wise is cubic based, so not having that information for your products is crazy (even if there are millions of them, you'd assume over time each and every one would pass through the warehouse for measurement. Or if you're going to run a 4 year project on your inventory time to start a 4 year project on shipping) I know we're not a very big market, but there's something about the postage calculation on PP that I don't understand. Every other business I deal with from the US to buy parts seems to be half the price for postage (or more) using the same shipping method He mentions making a loss on shipping too - from my personal retail experience postage is where you can make a small amount of profit to cover handling etc. Maybe I've missed something though or maybe I just don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 8May, 2014 Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 I'm not sure I'm a big fan of Wayne's response about not knowing the cubic measurement of his products. Everything freight wise is cubic based, so not having that information for your products is crazy (even if there are millions of them, you'd assume over time each and every one would pass through the warehouse for measurement. Or if you're going to run a 4 year project on your inventory time to start a 4 year project on shipping) I know we're not a very big market, but there's something about the postage calculation on PP that I don't understand. Every other business I deal with from the US to buy parts seems to be half the price for postage (or more) using the same shipping method He mentions making a loss on shipping too - from my personal retail experience postage is where you can make a small amount of profit to cover handling etc. Maybe I've missed something though or maybe I just don't get it Ask yourself the question. How long do you think it would take to rectify if the imbalance wasn't in PP's favour? I can guarantee that a guy like Wayne Dempsey is never going to buckle to any view that is not in alignment with his and he is totally focused on his opinion only. Talking to him it was obvious that he is not that sort of person but he is very clever and can put forward a convincing argument in print. He has a sound business and I assume has become personally secure so why wouldn't he keep on calling the shots as he sees fit. I have said it before, visiting the warehouse revealed what was a fairly miserable looking tame workforce. Years of dealing with many companies taught me to read the signs between the pleasant environs and those that were less so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 8May, 2014 Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 Interestingly there is a thread on P absolutely bagging auto atlanta. I have dealt with them on many occasions ; always very reasonable postage , most of what's listed is in stock and they always offer prompt courteous service . It has been especially useful for hard to obtain parts for the 924, 944 and now the 928. Without the postage ripoff. Of course and as always , YMMV . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AC78 Posted 8May, 2014 Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 All that free internal shipping PP does has to paid for some how, and that's where fleecing foreign customers come in. I order books, tomes no less, and car parts from two-bit operators in Sphincter, Colorado, and other back woods and they some how manage to offer reasonable pricing and different shipping options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 8May, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 This is the "Valve Lash Tool thread"! take your postage debate to your own thread, Russ you're a moderator you should be setting an example Dave check your e-mail, there a pick of your new Valve lash tool.... and also a pic of the postage cost...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 8May, 2014 Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 I read this page and thought it was a Swepco thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 8May, 2014 Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 This is the "Valve Lash Tool thread"! take your postage debate to your own thread, Russ you're a moderator you should be setting an example Dave check your e-mail, there a pick of your new Valve lash tool.... and also a pic of the postage cost...... You're right, sorry. Maybe I should rename the thread for you, lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 8May, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 I read this page and thought it was a Swepco thread? Point noted:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 8May, 2014 Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 Who's had the lash device out yet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 8May, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 Just to clarify, this a valve lash tool post (see pic) with undertones of a postage debate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 8May, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 8May, 2014 Who's had the lash device out yet? They just arrived, we will see who will be first to review.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 13May, 2014 Report Share Posted 13May, 2014 They just arrived, we will see who will be first to review.... MIne arrived yesterday. Thanks, Mike. I didn't waste any time. I've been waiting for the valve tool to arrive so I could do an oil change and valve adjustment. Oil out, valve covers off and into it. After getting my head and hands around how to hold the tool in place on the rocker, easy job. The included instructions are pretty clear with step by step photos and notes. No more fiddly feeler gages to mash up between the foot and cam lobes. The nice thing is being able to visiualy check if the screw has moved after doing up the lock nut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 13May, 2014 Report Share Posted 13May, 2014 Yep, I rec'd mine too. Thanks Mike great work. A lot of action for such a little part. LOL Good on you Harv's you sure are keen. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 13May, 2014 Report Share Posted 13May, 2014 Yep, I rec'd mine too. Thanks Mike great work. A lot of action for such a little part. LOL Good on you Harv's you sure are keen. Dave I'm working on getting out for the AMT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 14May, 2014 Author Report Share Posted 14May, 2014 MIne arrived yesterday. Thanks, Mike. I didn't waste any time. I've been waiting for the valve tool to arrive so I could do an oil change and valve adjustment. Oil out, valve covers off and into it. After getting my head and hands around how to hold the tool in place on the rocker, easy job. The included instructions are pretty clear with step by step photos and notes. No more fiddly feeler gages to mash up between the foot and cam lobes. The nice thing is being able to visiualy check if the screw has moved after doing up the lock nut. How about 3&6 upper cylinders access? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 15May, 2014 Report Share Posted 15May, 2014 How about 3&6 upper cylinders access? no problem. I've backdated the heating so the duct & fan assembly are gone leaving easy access back there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 15May, 2014 Report Share Posted 15May, 2014 Harvey, By backdating do you mean removed? If so you don't want heating during the winter months? Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel Posted 15May, 2014 Report Share Posted 15May, 2014 Dave heating is still present Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 15May, 2014 Report Share Posted 15May, 2014 Harvey, By backdating do you mean removed? If so you don't want heating during the winter months? Dave Plenty of heat, I just removed the fan from the engine bay.http://porscheforum.com.au/index.php?/topic/1538-what-did-you-do-to-your-porsche-today/?view=findpost&p=41279http://porscheforum.com.au/index.php?/topic/1538-what-did-you-do-to-your-porsche-today/?view=findpost&p=41331 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrest Posted 15May, 2014 Report Share Posted 15May, 2014 Ah.so! Now I know what you have done. Dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 5November, 2014 Report Share Posted 5November, 2014 I thought a follow-up post was in order. While the initial adjustment using the Kirk tool seemed to go pretty well, being the OCD perfectionist that I am, inconsistency in the tappet noise has bugged me ever since. After some quick googlology, I decided to check the valve clearances using the "back-side method" refer PP Tech article. This enables a check without disturbing the rocker lock nuts. Unlike when using the normal feeler gauge method which requires backing off the screw and re-setting the clearance each time. I don't like this method as it relies on "feel" and usually deforms the feeler gauge blade. Not really good for accuracy. The back-side method provides a definite result using standard feeler gauges. To avoid dropping the oil I lifted one side of the car at a time (thanks to Mike@Spyder for this tip) and checked just the valves on that side. As I suspected, the clearances were not all the same. While some were spot on, maybe 7 or 8 out of 12 rockers were off spec. with some loose and a couple a bit tight. Small adjustments were all that were needed to bring the gaps back to spec. checking with the 0.0025" and 0.0030" gauges. I've finally found a practical use for the metrology lessons taken in my eng. studies decades ago. While it was a bit tedious swapping between intake and exhaust side to check each adjustment, the result is far better IMO. Maybe with a bit of practice I could get the accuracy better with the Kirk tool, but I think I'll stick with the go/no-go gauges in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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