944 sale price

[Port 911]

Red 1987 944 S looks like it sold. Had $29,600 on it wonder what money he actually got for it.

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-4334016?WT.seg_4=SoldAlert;PCAA

 

[michel]

I think the auto should have had a BIGGER motor  in it, 

sounds oddly like a 928 you describe 

Edited 30January, 2017 by michel

[Plugger2]

I think the auto should have had a 3.0 ltr in it, they wouldn't be sitting on carsales then.

Did they make autos right up to '91 for the yanks.

No they didn't. No S2 or Turbo in automatic, not even for the US market. (Not sure why -- maybe the VW 3 speed slushbox simply couldn't handle the extra power?) In any case, the auto didn't reappear until the 968 in tip form.

[Plugger2]

Red 1987 944 S looks like it sold. Had $29,600 on it wonder what money he actually got for it.

https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/_/SSE-AD-4334016?WT.seg_4=SoldAlert;PCAA

 

Prices are still very hard to get a handle on, obviously!

I note this one had very low kms advertised at 77K. Still, I wouldn't think kms had nearly as much effect on price compared to relatively new cars. Indeed, a car driven only an average of 2.5K kms per year over a thirty period raises questions in itself. You don't really want a car that has sat undriven for any extended periods, as cars like that can have problems all their own.

There was another S that a dealer had at a similar price that went a few months ago -- I remember because they were both listed at the same time for a while. Maybe the S is really worth $30K then (if you are a patient seller)? So what would that make an S2, early Turbo, or late Turbo worth? (Assuming the market recognises the ordering, of course.)

 

[Plugger2]

Another S asking $30K pops up! A dealer car again. Looks nice...

https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/_/OAG-AD-13394672

I always thought the S models were quite rare in Oz?

 

[Jason E]

What would you guys value a N/A, Auto 85.5 model in Slate Grey? It's in decent condition, around 170k's. Came across it and wouldn't mind the updated interior and auto for a daily commute. Seems like 

this one has been going around for quite a while now.

[MB911]

Another S asking $30K pops up! A dealer car again. Looks nice...

https://www.carsales.com.au/dealer/details/_/OAG-AD-13394672

I always thought the S models were quite rare in Oz?

 

I'm pretty sure we have seen this car before..

[TINGY]

Yep take it off the market to freshen up the ad, well it's dropped 10k i suppose.

[Plugger2]

Yep take it off the market to freshen up the ad, well it's dropped 10k i suppose.

No, if it was the same car that was for sale from the dealer last year, same asking price: $30K.

Unless you are thinking of another ad...

I don't remember the other car being azurite blue, either. Or the really nice linen interior for that matter.

Car presents very nicely overall I think (well, for a non-black car anyway.)

 

 

[TINGY]

It was 39 originally

[Plugger2]

It was 39 originally

When the ad disappeared from carsales, I'm pretty sure it was $30K, because I remember it was almost exactly the same asking price as the private sellers S that went recently (but seemed to take a much longer time to sell).

Do you remember the dealers car as being azurite blue?

[TINGY]

I personally think that is the same car as before, same brick gateway?

[Jason E]

Definitely the same car.

[PomBstard]

Agreed. Original asking price was high-30s - can't remember what it was by the time the ad disappeared last time.

I think it looks good, just not $30k good.

[Plugger2]

Agreed. Original asking price was high-30s - can't remember what it was by the time the ad disappeared last time.

I think it looks good, just not $30k good.

Compared to what? I'd say it's the best value 944 on carsales at the moment.

Perhaps not saying much, but do you disagree?

[PomBstard]

Compared to what? I'd say it's the best value 944 on carsales at the moment.

Perhaps not saying much, but do you disagree?

I think if it was a choice of a 944S or something else for my $30k, I'd look for something else. Others might disagree, but whilst I like 944s and the S2/Turbo in particular, I'm not wedded to the idea of having one to the dismissal of all others.

[Plugger2]

I think if it was a choice of a 944S or something else for my $30k, I'd look for something else.

By "something else", do you mean an alternative P-car, or a non-P-car? If another P-car, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts...

And whether or not you think any of the 944s on carsales at the moment represent good value, do you disagree with the proposition that the "S" is probably the best (or least bad, if you prefer) value of all of them?

Just curious to hear what other people think.

[PomBstard]

By "something else", do you mean an alternative P-car, or a non-P-car? If another P-car, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts...

And whether or not you think any of the 944s on carsales at the moment represent good value, do you disagree with the proposition that the "S" is probably the best (or least bad, if you prefer) value of all of them?

Just curious to hear what other people think.

As a general comment I don't think any of the 944s on Carsales would get my money - unless I had $96k... So, yes, non P-car for $30k - probably best E36 M3 I could find or perhaps one of the Audi S2s for sale or if I thought I only needed 2 seats, maybe a Lotus Elise. That's just with a couple of mins quick skimming, there are probably others.

[88mph]

As a general comment I don't think any of the 944s on Carsales would get my money - unless I had $96k... So, yes, non P-car for $30k - probably best E36 M3 I could find or perhaps one of the Audi S2s for sale or if I thought I only needed 2 seats, maybe a Lotus Elise. That's just with a couple of mins quick skimming, there are probably others.

That's probably correct. 

Is love the Lotus. If they hover around 30k or probably sets the ceiling for the NA 944. 

[PomBstard]

That's probably correct. 

Is love the Lotus. If they hover around 30k or probably sets the ceiling for the NA 944. 

A friend has an Exige - I know it's a different beast to a $30k 944, but, what fun!! Last time I looked Maserati 3200s were close to $30k...

[vinnytang]

I think what you guys have been discussing will be the main factor holding the price down for the non-turbo/S2 models. Around the $30k mark you can get more car for your dollar, without the p-car tax of maintenance. Of course then there's the low k, bubble wrapped time warp cars that would be able to command extra but that is a whole different ballgame compared to drivers.

[Plugger2]

I think what you guys have been discussing will be the main factor holding the price down for the non-turbo/S2 models. Around the $30k mark you can get more car for your dollar, without the p-car tax of maintenance. Of course then there's the low k, bubble wrapped time warp cars that would be able to command extra but that is a whole different ballgame compared to drivers.

Actually, you can probably get more car for dollar at just about any price range compared to a P-car. But that's kind of uninteresting. Obviously people aren't paying the big money for air-cooled 911s because it represents the best bang-for-buck in terms of driving experience, LOL. All sorts of other factors come in to play, including the fact that the perception of an appreciating asset is partly self-fulfilling -- up to a point. The P-car market was cut adrift from the rest of the automotive market some time ago now.

That's why I asked "compared to what?". My question was, looking at the current range of 944s on carsales, which represents the best (or least bad) value, in your opinion?

I was suggesting the "S" at $30K was the best (or least bad, if you want). Interesting that someone else suggested the the Turboed S2 for $96k -- that would be almost the worst value of the lot, IMHO!

Just interested in other people's thoughts on the matter.

[PomBstard]

I don't think Pcars are any different to other desirable cars or marques. Ferrari spring to mind - even a Mondial is $60k now. Whilst the front engine range of 928s have started to pick up, have front engined Ferraris ever been available for equivalent money, like for like?

At the other end Ford RS is always valuable - about a year ago an Escort RST went for GBP60k - that's over $100K at today's rates for a 1.6 hot hatch based on a car that sold in its millions.

Desirable cars will always be sold for silly money, so let's not kid ourselves it's just one manufacturer.

That 944S for $30k might be the best value 944 on Carsales, but I don't think that really means anything unless you absolutely must have a 944.

[Plugger2]

    Desirable cars will always be sold for silly money, so let's not kid ourselves it's just one manufacturer.

That 944S for $30k might be the best value 944 on Carsales, but I don't think that really means anything unless you absolutely must have a 944.

Personally, I don't think comparing P-cars to Ferraris is comparing "like and like" -- Porsches were just never that rare and exclusive.

As for the Fords, don't know anything about them, but I would guess that even if they sold a million way back when, all but one would be a pile of rust by now. So that would make one in good condition quite rare, obviously. Again, I don't think comparing Fords and Porsches is like and like.

So I'm thinking of what $30K might buy you as a P-car -- 944 or another model. How does the $30K "S" stack up against other Porsches? Would you, for example, rather a Boxster? Or a 928 or 924?

Not that many P-cars you can still buy for $30K -- at least not good ones.

[88mph]

Personally, I don't think comparing P-cars to Ferraris is comparing "like and like" -- Porsches were just never that rare and exclusive.

As for the Fords, don't know anything about them, but I would guess that even if they sold a million way back when, all but one would be a pile of rust by now. So that would make one in good condition quite rare, obviously. Again, I don't think comparing Fords and Porsches is like and like.

So I'm thinking of what $30K might buy you as a P-car -- 944 or another model. How does the $30K "S" stack up against other Porsches? Would you, for example, rather a Boxster? Or a 928 or 924?

Not that many P-cars you can still buy for $30K -- at least not good ones.

Exactly. 

At what point do people start looking at the Boxter instead of the 944?

The 944 was once the poor man's Porsche, as was the Boxter. 

Personally nothing beats a bad ass 80s design in the 944, but there must be a point where people go for the boxer instead. 

I could never go the Boxter....