930 Mockup / advice Needed

[930_outlaw]

Hi Guys, 

 

First post here.. so a big Hi to everyone.... been trolling around for a bit and to be honest this is one of the best forums Ive seen! 

So Im a VW guy ( not sure if thats a dirty word here ) and I've been trying to break over to the "right" side ( porsche ) for a while now. 

I have the opportunity to purchase a car that I personally like but dont have the years of forum knowledge to know what she is worth in the real world.. So I'm reaching out for a bit of a guide. 

Still finding out details but this is what I know so far, Seller is a Mechanic / porsche friend of mine and has picked this up from a deceased estate. 

1974 911 body ( wide body conversion Steel, ) , All running gear off a 78ish 930 3.3l Turbo....Story: Resto complete about 10 years ago, 930 was rusted/ damaged and basically re shelled with the 74. 

I understand these types of builds are pretty subjective but there should be a rough yard stick on what builds like this are worth? ... Hopefully someone might even know the car! 

 

A big thanks in advance! 

Ryan 

 

[GUT]

Welcome. Looks cool. 

I'm a big fan of this sort of thing. I have a Carrera with a turbo engine conversion. Does it have the suspension/brakes of the 930 as well? How about the interior? There's a fair bit of value in the turbo stuff alone. 

Is the car a LHD to RHD conversion or original RHD?

Putting a value on this sort of thing is hard - does he have an asking price or asking for an offer?

 

 

[michel]

check the vin and production number and make sure they match 

guess all depends on condition . 

certainly worth 50k - not 100k

 

 

[930_outlaw]

Thanks guys,

Everything is Turbo... Brakes , suspension , control arms... everything. Makes it easier to believe the story of a straight body swap. Interior is super  Clean, Seats are late model Recaro's which personally would swap out for more era correct seats. Dash instruments and steering wheel look all correct and super clean. 

OG RHD drive car.

Straight, not a hint a rust on Body or Floor. 

asking price is pretty close to the middle of 50-100. , Checking numbers tomorrow!

 

 

[raafrebel]

I love rebellious 930 hot rods... I have one.

if done right, there is absolutely nothing but  fun to be had... sight, power and sound.

most good ones around have full conversion with the brakes and all, bt some have even better upgraded brakes.. 

i don't care what any traditionalist guy says.... its still a porsche , built in same factory with a kick ass tough 930, again, built in same factory... 

as far as value, most I've seen have been sold for well over 50 k and more like between 75 and 100 k.

the engine and box alone, if in good order, wold fetch 40 plus k

they are rare... not many 3.3 turbos lying around at wrecker yards or in some back shed. 

so, go for it if its in your budget and its all in good order. a good porsche mechanic only has to tell u that the car is in good song condition.. then mod it to hell and back with you own style.

just ask Magnus Walker, outlaws rock!!

[LeeM]

  If its within your budget, just buy it, and work out the details later mate. Just the running gear is worth some good coin. If its relatively rust free, you're miles ahead already

 I've come from VW's, so just go into Porsche ownership with eyes wide open, and don't think these things are cheap to fix unless you can do it yourself, or have mates that can help. Best of luck

[hugh]

i don't care what any traditionalist guy says.... its still a porsche , built in same factory with a kick ass tough 930, again, built in same factory... 

If I'm reading the initial post correct its a 're-shelled' 930 onto a 74 wide bodied converted (guards that is) car - not a factory conversion but a later, privately commissioned one. Same factory maybe but it's not the same car that left the factory and there is a difference. (& no, I'm not a traditionalist, just seeking clarification) 

[GUT]

This would be a whole lot of car relative to a stock one - and good luck getting an SC or a 3.2 for that sort of money these days. You might, but this would be more fun.

So long as it's sound generally and doesn't require fixing, then I'm with LeeM - just buy it and have fun. But I have a bit of form in doing that sort of silly thing.

Just make sure it's not a sh!tter and go in eyes wide open. General maintenance is ok but they are not cheap to fix if they need real work.

 

 

[930_outlaw]

  If its within your budget, just buy it, and work out the details later mate. Just the running gear is worth some good coin. If its relatively rust free, you're miles ahead already

 I've come from VW's, so just go into Porsche ownership with eyes wide open, and don't think these things are cheap to fix unless you can do it yourself, or have mates that can help. Best of luck

Thanks LeeM ... Im all for buying the beast.. Just throwing down that sort of money I needed some re assurance where the market was for cars like this. didnt want to get fleeced 

[GUT]

Just for reference, check this out:

http://www.pcv.com.au/PorscheClubs/pc_victoria/pc_main.nsf/web/690A4A3D1BD7A4AEC1257FFD0040AAC0#pagetop

It's pretty cool. Asking $85k and sitting for a long time now but I'm pretty certain a significantly lower number would buy it. It does need a decent amount work to get it registered 'by the book'. 

Your one, by contrast, is probably a simpler proposition. As they say, though, it's easier to buy than to sell. This is not a purist's car and that has a penalty associated - but there's some good gear (by your account) and silly people like me love that sort of thing.

[raafrebel]

  

  so just go into Porsche ownership with eyes wide open, and don't think these things are cheap to fix unless you can do it yourself, or have mates that can help. 

oh yes.... and theres that.... very true!

[930_outlaw]

If I'm reading the initial post correct its a 're-shelled' 930 onto a 74 wide bodied converted (guards that is) car - not a factory conversion but a later, privately commissioned one. Same factory maybe but it's not the same car that left the factory and there is a difference. (& no, I'm not a traditionalist, just seeking clarification) 

Private Restoration of an unrepairable 930 , 74 shell used .Im assuming it has had wide body rear guards added.... they are steel.  When I restore things I'm more on your side with everything needing to be how it rolled out of the factory. Got the opportunity on this and with that 3.3 spooling up behind me it will hopefully make me forget about the non matching numbers 

[LeeM]

 As its a bitsa already, it will never command the prices an Oz delivered car would, yet you probably already know that. 

 What it will be, is a 911 that you didn't pay over the top for, and will enjoy as much as anyone else does who owns a high dollar 911. 

 Hope you get it anyway, and enjoy the thrill of owning an iconic car

[michel]

when checking the numbers. You know where the production number is? 

Sounds like a fun proposition. Reshelled , non matching - not an issue if paying correctly .

curious that you mention been bought from a mate and concerned about been fleeced. 

That said get a PPI

 

[OZ930]

Go for it, depending on condition of course.  The freedom you will have by not owning a genuine 930 is immense, eg RSR, 934, 935K3, RWB or your own "custom".  Whatever you want.  This goes for engine mods too.  Buy it at the right price, which will be proportional to a "genuine" 930 and if you decide to sell it, the resale will be proportional also. The only thing you will miss out on is the galvanised body.....big deal. Rust proof it and go, or just keep it clean.

Or maybe I should say it is a piece of rubbish and run away.......so I can buy it cheap? Hmmmm

[930_outlaw]

when checking the numbers. You know where the production number is? 

Sounds like a fun proposition. Reshelled , non matching - not an issue if paying correctly .

curious that you mention been bought from a mate and concerned about been fleeced. 

That said get a PPI

 

Fleeced was the wrong word to use.... Im happy to pay what I think its worth to me and I trust who Im buying it off ... just wanted to know that if anything happens I'm not going to loose most of my investment. Not too concerned about it tripling in value in 2 months haha ... as long as it holds to some degree and I can drive this thing around Im happy! Will be a slight improvement from my 36hp 1200 in my Beetle! 

[OZ930]

Will be a slight improvement from my 36hp 1200 in my Beetle! 

you'll hardly notice the difference ?

[SimonN]

when checking the numbers. You know where the production number is? 

 

That said get a PPI

 

THIS!

First thing is to check the numbers and that it is legit. If done properly, no issue, but if not, one day, on inspection, you might find you have a non road legal car.

Then get it checked out by somebody who knows these cars. A PPI from a specialist will give you piece of mind. If there are any big mechanical issues, you need to know. Those engines cost a lit of money to rebuild - I am told you cannot get crankshafts for them and that people are buying 3.2 engines and stripping them for the crank There is a reason why the engine is worth a lot of money.

But with a bit of piece of mind, it would be  great toy. I rad this thread last night and immediately though $75-80k, but didn't want to post in case I was really off mark. It seems ti me that there is a bit of a consensus at this level and as said above, what else can you get for that money in the Porsche world?

[Shady Speedway]

Nothing is worth anything till somebody hands you money. 

[930_outlaw]

Got Some info today. Vin is 911410xxxx.. which puts it as 74 911 G?