qstoria Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 Not sure if this has been covered already but i thought I would post it none the less. http://www.imsporschesettlement.com/ Looks like some M96 owners in North America MAY be covered in someways for faulty IMSB failure. Doesnt appear to extend anywhere else just yet but it is slightly promising news none the less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caver Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 Interesting! Dare I say..."only in America"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 That is a very comprehensive website they have made up there. Must be big $ involved in it (I know stating the obvious) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qstoria Posted 16July, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 Interesting! Dare I say..."only in America"? At this stage I totally agree Caver! I was looking further through that website and it seems the amount of money a used car purchaser would be entitled to is only 25% of the total repair costs.. Not all that helpful when i reckon the bill on a decent build would be close to 15K Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 At this stage I totally agree Caver! I was looking further through that website and it seems the amount of money a used car purchaser would be entitled to is only 25% of the total repair costs.. Not all that helpful when i reckon the bill on a decent build would be close to 15K Does that mean the estimate the value of a used Boxster is only 25% of its original purchase price up till 2005??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 on this basis I can sue Porsche for the head studs on the 2.7 pulling only in America! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qstoria Posted 16July, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 Have you booked your IMS in Amanda or was it already done by the PO? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 on this basis I can sue Porsche for the head studs on the 2.7 pulling only in America! by this logic I can get my US delivered 3.0 overhauled and restudded for 25% discount Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 Have you booked your IMS in Amanda or was it already done by the PO? Booked it in today. August 13th it's getting done. I'll feel better then, it does play in the back of your mind. Every little sound makes you listen more closely and then I'm like errr do I really want to drive it to *insert place here*. And you feel silly having these concerns - blame Porsche! So yeh just get it done! Oh and I'm going to ensure I get the OEM IMS bearing back too. I want to keep this little sucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasserkuhl Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 What Kit are you using Amanda? LN Engineering? Its a real shame that this is such an issue, it really does go against the Normal Porsche reputation for longevity. At least, those who are informed, can fit the upgrade and drive the car without worry. I do feel sorry for those that have bought an affected vehicle as they were buying a Porsche and they didn't need to worry about it grenading!! Tough lesson to learn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 Oh and I'm going to ensure I get the OEM IMS bearing back too. I want to keep this little sucker! You could get it encased in clear resin. Put it somewhere that you will see it every time you go to your car. A little reminder that your car is better than when you bought it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Harold Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 What an expensive program. Wonder what the estimated cost is for the nominated period? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 16July, 2013 Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 Oh I didn't ask Wasser. I booked it in with their receptionist who asked me "What makes you think you need a new IMS Bearing?" So after that, I figure no point asking any other questions! I've booked the car in with Auto Art in Preston. Who have a good reputation. I will ask them tho prior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qstoria Posted 16July, 2013 Author Report Share Posted 16July, 2013 Oh I didn't ask Wasser. I booked it in with their receptionist who asked me "What makes you think you need a new IMS Bearing?" So after that, I figure no point asking any other questions! I've booked the car in with Auto Art in Preston. Who have a good reputation. I will ask them tho prior. Glad to hear you are getting it changed over, just make sure they don't put another OEM one back in there though!! There are lots of topics about now on some of the other Boxster forums like 986forum.com where people are doing their own research into locating specific bearing suppliers in an attempt to buy the exact (or very similar) ceramic bearing directly and avoid paying the $500-$600 for the LN Engineering product. I personally have my doubts as to the risk involved in that purely because LN have done a lot of R&D over the last 5+ years to get the right bearing which is what one is really paying for. Anyway, definitely specify which one you want Amanda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveT Posted 17July, 2013 Report Share Posted 17July, 2013 I read somewhere recently that 70% of all Porsches ever built are still on the road. Pretty good percentage that I would doubt too many manufacturers could boast to equal, can't be too many of these type of issues in our wonderful cars. Pity one of them may be in our Boxsters though. Mine is a 2006 build and I am driving with my fingers crossed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowboxsters Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 I hear you and know exactly how you're feeling Amanda, I too spent a month or so absolutely crappin gmy pants getting all paranoid about it too. Definately plays on your mind especially when we're talking repair bills or replacement engine bills over the $20K mark. Was crapping myself even more on the morning I started it up and made my way to Weltmeister for the LN IMSB install too. ANyway, $2K for the bearing isnt cheap but it it's cheap insurance for a peace of mind. So glad its done and now the only thing that bugs me is the question of "is the cargraphic muffler going to be what I've been yearning for since the beginning of boxster ownership?" Its a never ending story I guess about worries and wants. I'm sure you'll enjoy the serenity of sweet relief once your dear boxster comes out of surgery with its new stent/ticker in place where only then will you truely experience (worry free) the enjoyment of owning and driving your Porsche Boxster. On that note, I wish you, Happy Boxstering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harvs11 Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 Having the IMS fixed in an early boxster is akin to fitting the hydraulic tensioners in a SC or earlier 911. It's an investment in engine reliability and a must if you ever decide to sell. No upgrade usually equals no buyer interest. Good decision Amanda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 I have nothing to add other than every now and again I look at 996's and think that would be nice to drive to work rather than a Patrol. If I am to buy one I would get the IMS done as soon as I found the right car. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 I hear you and know exactly how you're feeling Amanda, I too spent a month or so absolutely crappin gmy pants getting all paranoid about it too. Definately plays on your mind especially when we're talking repair bills or replacement engine bills over the $20K mark. Was crapping myself even more on the morning I started it up and made my way to Weltmeister for the LN IMSB install too. ANyway, $2K for the bearing isnt cheap but it it's cheap insurance for a peace of mind. So glad its done and now the only thing that bugs me is the question of "is the cargraphic muffler going to be what I've been yearning for since the beginning of boxster ownership?" Its a never ending story I guess about worries and wants. I'm sure you'll enjoy the serenity of sweet relief once your dear boxster comes out of surgery with its new stent/ticker in place where only then will you truely experience (worry free) the enjoyment of owning and driving your Porsche Boxster. On that note, I wish you, Happy Boxstering I'm into month 2 of pant crapping lol another 3 weeks to go and it will be done. I phoned Welt and Matt told me to budget for $3200 to have the IMS upgraded... erm isn't that a bit ridiculous? Having the IMS fixed in an early boxster is akin to fitting the hydraulic tensioners in a SC or earlier 911. It's an investment in engine reliability and a must if you ever decide to sell. No upgrade usually equals no buyer interest. Good decision Amanda. I totally agree Harvs. It's a tricky one tho, once you get the car and do what I do.. drive it home from Syd to Melbourne and get to enjoy it. It's hard to believe this issue even exists.. but its been in the back of my mind nipping away at me slowly. Then that turned into a dull scream in the last week or so. I read somewhere recently that 70% of all Porsches ever built are still on the road. Pretty good percentage that I would doubt too many manufacturers could boast to equal, can't be too many of these type of issues in our wonderful cars. Pity one of them may be in our Boxsters though. Mine is a 2006 build and I am driving with my fingers crossed. Theres a video on YouTube where the manager of the Porsche Classic operation in Germany quotes that 70% figure. I thought that was just brilliant.. good on Porsche for investing in their heritage so much. Not just for them but for enthusiasts the world over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 Glad to hear you are getting it changed over, just make sure they don't put another OEM one back in there though!! There are lots of topics about now on some of the other Boxster forums like 986forum.com where people are doing their own research into locating specific bearing suppliers in an attempt to buy the exact (or very similar) ceramic bearing directly and avoid paying the $500-$600 for the LN Engineering product. I personally have my doubts as to the risk involved in that purely because LN have done a lot of R&D over the last 5+ years to get the right bearing which is what one is really paying for. Anyway, definitely specify which one you want Amanda it's not worth gambling with the engine by doing that. You get what you pay for? I'll definitely call up the shop and specify what I want. Thanks for that.. I should have been more forceful when I booked it in and not 'assume' they know what I want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowboxsters Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 Wow $3200? That's a fair whack. Did they explain why it's so much more? I was advised that tiptronic models require the engine to be out of the car to access the imsb and hence costs a bit more due to the extra time and hassle but that's only a few hundred on top of the $2000 plus gst and certainly not 3K plus. I assume your boxster happens to be the later models where not only does the entire engine need to be out but needs to be disassembled in order to get to it? If that's the case then that explains why they gave such a high quote. Other than that, as qstoria advised, best to be certain which bearing assembly they are supplying prior to leaving your beloved boxster with them. Last thing you want to happen is both sides assuming things wrongly and rectification of any such ill fated assumptions may mean more quadruple digit budgets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 it'd be crap to get the same bearing that you're replacing in there. I assume you didn't book it in at the place where the receptionist asked "why do you want a new IMS bearing?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yellowboxsters Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 it'd be crap to get the same bearing that you're replacing in there. I assume you didn't book it in at the place where the receptionist asked "why do you want a new IMS bearing?" I'm sure Amanda's boxster will be well looked after at Weltmeister. Only thing I got when I called in was, "you would like to change the um.........what was it you wanted called again?.....oh okay, would you mind holding? I'll get one of the boys for you." Anyway, please don't be deterred by this Amanda, I had a good chat with her when I was there and she had only just started working there. Fair enough I reckon. After all, she's new to the whole Porsche car thing so she's forgiven. That aside, I'm sure the boys know what they're doing there but still doesn't hurt to ask for a peace of mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknostar Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 Good reference numbers on the US site for IMS affected vehicles Am I Part of the Settlement?5 The settlement only impacts Class Members. The Class is comprised of: All persons in the United States who currently own or lease or previously owned or leased a Class Vehicle. A “Class Vehicle” is any: Model year 2001 – 2005 Porsche Boxster vehicles manufactured with an IMS between May 4, 2001 and February 21, 2005 with VINs in the following ranges: WP0CA29851S620508 – WP0CA29831S620619 WP0CB29811S660405 – WP0CB29801S660492 WP0CA29821U625959 – WP0CA29891U627644 WP0CB29861U664289 – WP0CB29841U665473 WP0CA29892S620061 – WP0CA29802S620238 WP0CA29832U620061 – WP0CA29892U626107 WP0CB29802U660062 – WP0CB29892U664319 WP0CB29862S660062 – WP0CB29852S660344 WP0ZZZ98Z2U602762 WP0ZZZ98Z2U640813 WP0CA298X3S620068 – WP0CA29853S620222 WP0CA29813U620061 – WP0CA298X3U625002 WP0CB29803U660063 – WP0CB29803U663240 WP0CB29853S660068 – WP0CB298X3S660227 WP0ZZZ98Z3U604185 WP0ZZZ98Z3U640971 WP0CA29854S620061 – WP0CA29824S621085 WP0CA298X4U620061 – WP0CA29854U621568 WP0CB29804S660061 – WP0CB29834S660555 WP0CB29854U660061 – WP0CB29834U661824 WP0CA298X5U710067 – WP0CA29815U711852 WP0CB29885U730069 – WP0CB29835U731310 Model year 2001 – 2005 Porsche 911 vehicles manufactured with an IMS between May 4, 2001 and February 20, 2005, excluding the Turbo, GT2, and GT3 models, with VINs in the following ranges: WP0AA29991S622763-WP0AA29901S623641 WP0CA299X1S654064-WP0CA29971S655284 WP0ZZZ99Z1S644465 WP0ZZZ99Z2S603927 WP0AA299X2S620005-WP0AA29922S624193 WP0BA29922S635067-WP0BA299X2S635740 WP0CA29932S650004-WP0CA29952S655611 WP0AA29903S620063-WP0AA29993S624175 WP0BA29913S635062-WP0BA29983S635639 WP0CA29943S650062-WP0CA29913S653887 WP0ZZZ99Z3S641690-WP0ZZZ99Z3S644167 WP0ZZZ99Z4S604191 WP0AA29974S620062-WP0AA29934S623041 WP0BA29984S635061-WP0BA29974S635231 WP0CA29904S650061-WP0CA29924S653818 WP0AA29935S620061-WP0AA29925S620245 WP0BA29965S635061-WP0BA29995S635085 WP0CA29995S650061-WP0CA29995S650254 WP0AA29905S715077-WP0AA29905S717475 WP0AB299X5S740081-WP0AB29955S742109 WP0CA29935S755064-WP0CA29935S755209 WP0CB29915S765072-WP0CB29925S765212 WP0ZZZ99Z5S731099 WP0ZZZ99Z5S701444 To determine if your vehicle falls within this range, please find the tenth digit, which should be a 1, 2, 3, 4 or 5 and then determine if your VIN number is in the range of the last six digits. If your Class Vehicle’s VIN meets these tests, then you are a member of the Class. - See more at: http://www.imsporschesettlement.com/faqs/#qq8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 18July, 2013 Report Share Posted 18July, 2013 Wow $3200? That's a fair whack. Did they explain why it's so much more? I was advised that tiptronic models require the engine to be out of the car to access the imsb and hence costs a bit more due to the extra time and hassle but that's only a few hundred on top of the $2000 plus gst and certainly not 3K plus. I assume your boxster happens to be the later models where not only does the entire engine need to be out but needs to be disassembled in order to get to it? If that's the case then that explains why they gave such a high quote. Other than that, as qstoria advised, best to be certain which bearing assembly they are supplying prior to leaving your beloved boxster with them. Last thing you want to happen is both sides assuming things wrongly and rectification of any such ill fated assumptions may mean more quadruple digit budgets. I didn't book it in with Weltmeister - that quote seemed excessive and not in line with the work required. My bearing is a serviceable one. Engine stays in Mines going to Autoart. I confirmed with them today that it is a LN Engineering bearing going in. I will be given the original one and my books will be stamped with the serial number etc on completion. I spoke to Autoart at length before buying my P - they do many IMS bearings and engine rebuilds when these engines fail. They sound like they know their stuff. I also know many happy customers too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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