Carrera86 Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 Any way of telling if a 930 was factory LHD or RHD from vin numbers , as it has usa bumpers but vin says made in Germany ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 As far as I'm aware they were all made in Germany… do a search on VIN decoders and you might turn up something there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 I'm pretty sure they were all made in Germany! Plenty on Vin decoders online, here's one; https://www.stuttcars.com/technical/vin-decoder/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 As far as I'm aware they were all made in Germany… do a search on VIN decoders and you might turn up something there. Sorry, you beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrera86 Posted 14February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 why the usa bumpers then , did lhd go with usa bumpers ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew F Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 Apparently if you email Porsche with the vin they can tell you where it was delivered to and a list of factory options. I've not done it. The obvious way to pick my SC as a conversion is that the passenger door trim has a little metal cover where there was a second window switch. Mine is a ROW car from Germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew F Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 as in delivered new in Germany you blokes, before you come back with all the wise cracks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 Depends on how thorough the conversion was. For example, from googling: "Because you didnt have to change the steering box in a 911 for a conversion, the main modifications were pedals & dashboard & the 'smugglers box' sheet metal. this affected the airconditioning as the inside bits were behind the pedals. Look carefully under the bonnet & the inside front floors/pedals to satisfy yourself for the quality of workmanship." (http://forums.pelicanparts.com/porsche-911-technical-forum/810616-lhd-rhd-questions.html) An example of lack of thoroughness is if they didn't bother to move the twin power window buttons over as well. So, there's two buttons on the (now) passenger side... Also, we have different rules regarding crash safety. Not sure if it affected older cars, but some things like side intrusion bars etc are different in AUS. Finally, the collector market will generally side-step a rhd conversion so be prepared for it to possibly take a bit longer to sell. On the other hand, having a bit of a 'mongrel' car can be more fun because its less ri$ky to modify it etc... Any way of telling if a 930 was factory LHD or RHD from vin numbers , as it has usa bumpers but vin says made in Germany ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 Another telltale sign that often gets overlooked are the direction of the windshield wipers .... Even after a conversion, they often get left on the "passengers" side where they should now be on the "drivers" side ....Can easily be changed over, but not always done .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Speedway Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 Is this the Silver one on car sales? It has a US rear bumper and euro/row front indicators both in the wings and in the bumpers. The side mirrors are bias mounted so that the drivers side mirror is mounted further forward than the drivers side. A "shortcut" conversion will sometimes miss this. A good conversion unstitches the entire trunk area floor pan and replaces it. I have been told it is over 1000 spot welds. Yes the steering rack is the same LH to RH. It's all the steel body work that has to be changed. It is very invasive on a car. Some nasty conversions leave the brake booster on the LHS and build pushrods to actuate it. Though I have not seen this on a Porsche yet. I have seen a Trans Am converted using bicycle sprockets and chain to steer the LH steering column! every wire was extended under the dash with the same roll of brown wire. Not sure about the later cars but the 3L 930s VIN would tell you if it was US or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrera86 Posted 14February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 The owner says it was factory RHD ? now i dont know ? Advice guys ? vin = WP0ZZZ93ZDS000463 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 930 turbo USA (LHD). Slant nose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 Hugh,Doesn't the ZZZ represent "rest of world"?I thought USA had different letters in place of ZZZ ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 14February, 2015 Report Share Posted 14February, 2015 I decode that VIN as :1983930 TurboEurope / ROWDon't know if it's been converted as Europe cars were LHD and other countries were RHD .... but a definite possibility It was delivered as a RHD ......Only way to know for sure is to contact Porsche or check out the delivery books if they are there.....Happy to be corrected if I'm wrong .....EDIT ...... 1983 not 1984 ..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomo Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 Model Year 1981-... (17 digit)" Please excuse post Guys only 1/2 copyed" Europe/RoW (Rest of World) Example: WP0ZZZ95ZJN100108 → MY1988 944 Turbo 1 W - Germany (until 1989 West Germany) 2 P - Porsche 3 0 - sports car or Panamera, 1 - Cayenne 456 ZZZ - Europe/RoW 78–––12 Porsche model number or internal model number: 911 - 911 G-model (until 1989) 924 928 USA/Canada Example: WP0AA2995XS626544 → MY1999 911 996 Carrera Coupé 1 W - Germany (until 1989 West Germany) 2 P - Porsche 3 0 - sports car or Panamera, 1 - Cayenne 4 Body type: A - 911 Coupé, 924, 928 from MY1991, 944 Coupé, 968 Coupé, Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera B - 964/996/997 Targa C - 944 Cabriolet, 968 Cabriolet, 964 Cabriolet/America Roaster/Speedster, 993/996/997 Cabriolet, 997 Speedster, Boxster, Carrera GT D - 993 Targa E - 911 SC Targa/Cabrio, 3.2 Targa/Cabrio/Speedster, 911 G-model Turbo Targa/Cabriolet J - 928 up to MY1990, 911 G-model Turbo Coupé 5 Engine: A - 911 SC, 924 2.0/Turbo/S, 928 MY1981-82, 928 MY1991-95, 944 2.5 N/A up to MY1986, 944 2.7, 944 S, 944 Turbo, 968, 964 Turbo 3.3, 993/996/997 Carrera, Boxster 986 2.5/2.7, Boxster 987 2.7/2.9, Cayman 2.7/2.9, Carrera GT, Cayenne V6, Panamera V6 B - 911 3.2, 911 G-model Turbo, 928 MY1983-90, 944 2.5 N/A MY1987-88, 944 S2, 964 Carrera/RS America/America Roadster/Speedster, 996 Turbo/GT2, 997 Carrera S/4S/GTS/Sport Classic/Speedster, Boxster 986/987 S, Cayman S/R, Cayenne S, Panamera S/4S C - 964 Turbo 3.6, 993 Turbo, 996 GT3, 997 GT3 3.6/3.8, Cayenne Turbo, Panamera Turbo D - 997 Turbo/GT2, Cayenne GTS, Panamera Hybrid E - 997 GT2 RS, Cayenne Hybrid F - 997 GT3 RS 4.0 6 Airbags: 0 - no 2 - at least 2 airbags 7 9 - up to MY2009 A - starting with MY2010 8–––12 Porsche model number or internal model number: 11 - 911 (G-model) 24 - 924 28 - 928 30 - 930 (911 G-model Turbo) 31 - 924 Turbo 44 - 944 51 - 944 Turbo 64 - 964 (911 1989-1994) 68 - 968 70 - 970 (Panamera 2009-2016) 80 - 980 (Carrera GT) 81 - Boxster 981 (2012-2019) 86 - Boxster 986 (1997-2004) 87 - Boxster 987 (2005-2012) 91 - 991 (911 2011-2018) 93 - 993 (911 1993-1997) 96 - 996 (911 1997-2004) 97 - 997 (911 2004-2011) PA - Cayenne 955 (2002-2007), Cayenne 957 (2007-2010) 2A - Cayenne 958 (2010-2017) 9 Checksum digit 10 Model year: A - 2010 B - 1981, 2011 C - 1982, 2012 D - 1983, 2013 E - 1984, 2014 F - 1985, 2015 G - 1986, 2016 H - 1987, 2017 I - skipped J - 1988, 2018 K - 1989, 2019 L - 1990, 2020 M - 1991, 2021 N - 1992, 2022 O - skipped P - 1993, 2023 R - 1994, 2024 S - 1995, 2025 T - 1996, 2026 U - skipped V - 1997, 2027 W - 1998, 2028 X - 1999, 2029 Y - 2000 1 - 2001 2 - 2002 3 - 2003 4 - 2004 5 - 2005 6 - 2006 7 - 2007 8 - 2008 9 - 2009 11 Factory location: S - Stuttgart (911, 928, 959, 968, Boxster, Cayman) N - Neckarsulm Audi factory (924, 944) U - Uusikaupunki Valmet factory (Boxster 986 was produced there 1997-2004, Boxster 987 2004-2010 and Cayman 987 2005-2011) L - Leipzig (Cayenne, Carrera GT, Panamera, Macan) K - Osnabrück VW factory, ex-Karmann, hence the "K" (Boxster/Cayman 981) 1314151617 Serial number. First number might indicate modification. Show cars from mode 930 - 911 G-model Turbo (until 1989) 931 - 924 Turbo 937 - 924 Carrera GT 944 951 - 944 Turbo 959 964 - 911 1989-1994 968 970 - Panamera 2009-2016 980 - Carrera GT 981 - Boxster 2012-2019 986 - Boxster 1997-2004 987 - Boxster 2005-2012 991 - 911 2011-2018 993 - 911 1993-1997 996 - 911 1997-2004 997 - 911 2004-2011 9PA - Cayenne 955 (2002-2007), Cayenne 957 (2007-2010) 92A - Cayenne 958 (2010-2017) 9 Z - Europe/RoW 10 Model year: A - 2010 B - 1981, 2011 C - 1982, 2012 D - 1983, 2013 E - 1984, 2014 F - 1985, 2015 G - 1986, 2016 H - 1987, 2017 I - skipped J - 1988, 2018 K - 1989, 2019 L - 1990, 2020 M - 1991, 2021 N - 1992, 2022 O - skipped P - 1993, 2023 R - 1994, 2024 S - 1995, 2025 T - 1996, 2026 U - skipped V - 1997, 2027 W - 1998, 2028 X - 1999, 2029 Y - 2000 1 - 2001 2 - 2002 3 - 2003 4 - 2004 5 - 2005 6 - 2006 7 - 2007 8 - 2008 9 - 2009 11 Factory location: S - Stuttgart (911, 928, 959, 968, Boxster, Cayman) N - Neckarsulm Audi factory (924, 944) U - Uusikaupunki Valmet factory (Boxster 986 was produced there 1997-2004, Boxster 987 2004-2010 and Cayman 987 2005-2011) L - Leipzig (Cayenne, Carrera GT, Panamera, Macan) K - Osnabrück VW factory, ex-Karmann, hence the "K" (Boxster/Cayman 981) 1314151617 Serial number. First number might indicate modification. USA/Canada Example: WP0AA2995XS626544 → MY1999 911 996 Carrera Coupé 1 W - Germany (until 1989 West Germany) 2 P - Porsche 3 0 - sports car or Panamera, 1 - Cayenne 4 Body type: A - 911 Coupé, 924, 928 from MY1991, 944 Coupé, 968 Coupé, Cayman, Cayenne, Panamera B - 964/996/997 Targa C - 944 Cabriolet, 968 Cabriolet, 964 Cabriolet/America Roaster/Speedster, 993/996/997 Cabriolet, 997 Speedster, Boxster, Carrera GT D - 993 Targa E - 911 SC Targa/Cabrio, 3.2 Targa/Cabrio/Speedster, 911 G-model Turbo Targa/Cabriolet J - 928 up to MY1990, 911 G-model Turbo Coupé 5 Engine: A - 911 SC, 924 2.0/Turbo/S, 928 MY1981-82, 928 MY1991-95, 944 2.5 N/A up to MY1986, 944 2.7, 944 S, 944 Turbo, 968, 964 Turbo 3.3, 993/996/997 Carrera, Boxster 986 2.5/2.7, Boxster 987 2.7/2.9, Cayman 2.7/2.9, Carrera GT, Cayenne V6, Panamera V6 B - 911 3.2, 911 G-model Turbo, 928 MY1983-90, 944 2.5 N/A MY1987-88, 944 S2, 964 Carrera/RS America/America Roadster/Speedster, 996 Turbo/GT2, 997 Carrera S/4S/GTS/Sport Classic/Speedster, Boxster 986/987 S, Cayman S/R, Cayenne S, Panamera S/4S C - 964 Turbo 3.6, 993 Turbo, 996 GT3, 997 GT3 3.6/3.8, Cayenne Turbo, Panamera Turbo D - 997 Turbo/GT2, Cayenne GTS, Panamera Hybrid E - 997 GT2 RS, Cayenne Hybrid F - 997 GT3 RS 4.0 6 Airbags: 0 - no 2 - at least 2 airbags 7 9 - up to MY2009 A - starting with MY2010 8–––12 Porsche model number or internal model number: 11 - 911 (G-model) 24 - 924 28 - 928 30 - 930 (911 G-model Turbo) 31 - 924 Turbo 44 - 944 51 - 944 Turbo 64 - 964 (911 1989-1994) 68 - 968 70 - 970 (Panamera 2009-2016) 80 - 980 (Carrera GT) 81 - Boxster 981 (2012-2019) 86 - Boxster 986 (1997-2004) 87 - Boxster 987 (2005-2012) 91 - 991 (911 2011-2018) 93 - 993 (911 1993-1997) 96 - 996 (911 1997-2004) 97 - 997 (911 2004-2011) PA - Cayenne 955 (2002-2007), Cayenne 957 (2007-2010) 2A - Cayenne 958 (2010-2017) 9 Checksum digit 10 Model year: A - 2010 B - 1981, 2011 C - 1982, 2012 D - 1983, 2013 E - 1984, 2014 F - 1985, 2015 G - 1986, 2016 H - 1987, 2017 I - skipped J - 1988, 2018 K - 1989, 2019 L - 1990, 2020 M - 1991, 2021 N - 1992, 2022 O - skipped P - 1993, 2023 R - 1994, 2024 S - 1995, 2025 T - 1996, 2026 U - skipped V - 1997, 2027 W - 1998, 2028 X - 1999, 2029 Y - 2000 1 - 2001 2 - 2002 3 - 2003 4 - 2004 5 - 2005 6 - 2006 7 - 2007 8 - 2008 9 - 2009 11 Factory location: S - Stuttgart (911, 928, 959, 968, Boxster, Cayman) N - Neckarsulm Audi factory (924, 944) U - Uusikaupunki Valmet factory (Boxster 986 was produced there 1997-2004, Boxster 987 2004-2010 and Cayman 987 2005-2011) L - Leipzig (Cayenne, Carrera GT, Panamera, Macan) K - Osnabrück VW factory, ex-Karmann, hence the "K" (Boxster/Cayman 981) 1314151617 Serial number. First number might indicate modification. Show cars from model year 1981 and later Brief information on VIN numbers The 17 letter VIN used in automobiles was first described in ISO Standard 3779 in 1977 and was later revised in 1983. It is the current standard and is used all over the world by car manufacturers. The letters O, I and Q are not used in a VIN as they can be mistaken for numbers 0 and 1. Even with this rule, there are several occasions, when the VIN is incorrect in official registers. Also, no dashes or spaces are allowed in a VIN. To learn the Porsche option and build codes generally, see Porsche option/build codes Mar, 05 – 12th birthday of the Carrera GT (2003) Mar, 06 – 3rd birthday of the Boxster 981 (2012) Mar, 12 – 46th birthday of the 917 (1969) Mar, 13 – 54th birthday of Ferdinand Oliver Porsche (1961) Mar, 16 – 38th birthday of the 928 (1977) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew F Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 firstly I will clarify that mine isn't a 930, it's an SC. As shady said, door mirrors are offset, and sometimes not relocated. Mine have been. I think the radio aerial on a lhd is on the left whereas it's on the right on a rhd. Correct me if I'm wrong here. I saw a photo only yesterday that had the booster on the left in a rhd car. Obviously a l to r conversion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 WP0ZZZ93ZDS000463 just consulted my 'peter morgan bible' WPOZZZ - essentially means it was delivered ROW 93 - 930turbo ZDS - 1983 production year 496 - production number so, no way of telling LHD/RHD from Vin. All you know for sure is this isn't a US car because they didn't produce then for the US market in 1983 (also Japan I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrera86 Posted 15February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 WP0ZZZ93ZDS000463 just consulted my 'peter morgan bible' WPOZZZ - essentially means it was delivered ROW 93 - 930turbo ZDS - 1983 production year 496 - production number so, no way of telling LHD/RHD from Vin. All you know for sure is this isn't a US car because they didn't produce then for the US market in 1983 (also Japan I think) Any idea on the odd bumpers then , or was this perhaps an option ? USA rear , euro front ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 Obviously conflicting information, contact Porsche to confirm VIN details and then have it checked by a specialist re: the conversion. Also why anyone would put US bumpers on a non US car doesn't add up - Sorry I couldn't be of more help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 BTW if you have any further details, pictures etc. that may assist solving the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZ930 Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 Just to clarify what turboT said: WP0ZZZ93ZDS000463 just consulted my 'peter morgan bible' WPO - Porsche prefix ZZZ - essentially means it was delivered ROW 93 + 0 (digit 12) 930 turbo D - 1983 production year S - Stuttgart (place of manufacture) 496 - production number so, no way of telling LHD/RHD from Vin. All you know for sure is this isn't a US car because they didn't produce then for the US market in 1983 (also Japan I think) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 Any idea on the odd bumpers then , or was this perhaps an option ? USA rear , euro front ?Just to clarify ...... Are you talking about the actual bumper bars or the black bumperettes on either side of the number plate ... As hugh said ...... highly unusual to fit US bumperettes to a RoW car unless something happened and that's all that was available at the time .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 the mirrors on the car you are looking look like they are in the correct position. See attached for mine that is original RHD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 this is the car he is looking at guys http://www.carpoint.com.au/all-cars/private/details.aspx?R=SSE-AD-3223478&Cr=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreamr Posted 15February, 2015 Report Share Posted 15February, 2015 Again, someone correct me if I'm wrong ..... Shouldn't it have a 300 kph speedo ..... weren't the 260 speedos from a 3.2 Carrera?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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