Peter John Posted 25July, 2017 Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 Hi Guys, I'm a rookie looking to buy an entry level air cooled. In Melbourne. Other than Carsales what's out there? Anyone looking to sell? Not after concourse just a neat rhd numbers matching ideally Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 25July, 2017 Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 Hi Guys, I'm a rookie looking to buy an entry level air cooled. In Melbourne. Other than Carsales what's out there? Anyone looking to sell? Not after concourse just a neat rhd numbers matching ideallyHi Peter,Welcome to the forum. On here is a great place to look, many owners will list on here prior to going to Carsales. Check out the for sale section and worthwhile also putting up a thread in the wanted section.Best of luck on the search. Hugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 25July, 2017 Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 Hi Peter,A little extra detail might help to flush something out too. Budget? Coupe, cab or targa? Manual or Sporto/Tip? Preferred years (64 - 98 is a big range)? Do you like getting a run up for hills - ergo is a 912 on the table? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turboT Posted 25July, 2017 Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 Do you like getting a run up for hills - ergo is a 912 on the table?oi - remember our arses arn't as heavy as yours IMO - Entry level Porsche - take advantage of the HIGH OZ dollar and buy from the US. You get used to LHD quickly and a much better selection of cars on offer. Australia has been picked over in the last two years - not much worth buying and expensive - that said prices have been coming down all year and continue to (unless sellers enjoy seeing their cars on car sales every week, for months) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 25July, 2017 Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 oi - remember our arses arn't as heavy as yours Yet they may not live in a hilly suburb! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter John Posted 25July, 2017 Author Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 Thanks so much for the replies guys! 78 maybe? 3.0 - has to be manual- coupe firstly then a targa. 75k for a nice example but if I could do 50k bottom 75k top somewhere there. I don't want a beat up car but don't want a concourse scared to touch and soon to become divorced car.I can handle battle scars to a degree, mechanically I'm a novice on these cars so always learning. I'm used to old ford v8's and wanting to drive a car. Weekend drives windy roads! Thanks again guys- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 25July, 2017 Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 MAY know of a converted coupe here in Adelaide for 70-75k if it's still available. Personally, that's a fair wedge of cash for a converted car, but I believe it is very nice. Have seen it up close and it appears very clean. I can contact the owner if you're keen to have a look I had some pics of it, but have lost them. I believe this is the car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philbee Posted 25July, 2017 Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 Welcome to ze forum .... I bought mine at the Healey factory in mitcham.... Yes, it's a hike away but well worth a look. They always have a few older p-cars in the pile. They have a range of classic cars as well as Austin Healeys. Russell is a nice bloke. Check their website.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewW Posted 25July, 2017 Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 Hi Peter, I have recently bought a 79 SC from Vic (I'm in Adelaide) its a US import converted. Firstly if you buy a convert (filthy dirty things) try and get one in your state as there are some hurdles to jump in transferring and re registering a convert. The process took me about a month, getting an engineers report then some upgrades/changes then another engineer check, then a numbers check then final inspection and hopefully all goes well. I focussed so much on the bigger items that the washer bottle didn't work and some other minor things, thankfully the inspector was cool and passed the car. (all cost about $1000.00)I also rushed the purchase as I had to fly in drive out in one day, the car was not as perfect as the pictures and comments made however I was fortunate to get some money back after a gentleman's discussion. The previous owner was a self taught mechanic with a well equipped workshop and a long and varied history with cars (gave me confidence) however i had to get several things sorted out, steering column in the wrong way (heavy steering) vacuum hoses on fuel injection incorrect placement (variable idle) left hand rear axle alignment out. front struts needed replacing. These have all been fixed now at my expense but there are still small items that need some attention. I recon that as the car was in country Vic there was no Porsche garage local so all the sorting had to be done at home therefore not quite right. Something to be wary of.Finding something for $50k was my goal but was not to be, you've got to be very quick and very cautious, if its been hanging around at $50k there is something wrong, like the white Targa in NSW been for sale for ages, was $50k now $60k, Porsche Australia did not recognise any of the numbers when I checked. That car needs to stay in NSW.I was going to buy a Targa and had one lined up but other than all the usual problems there is the roof to contend with as most make noise which could be a pain, the roof is also something that needs attention therefore more bucks. The car will always be worth less than a coupe, its just the way it is, a purists thing as is sunroof delete (makes it more RS I guess). I went coupe, with sunroof and zircon.(up graded)$55k will buy something reasonable, $65k should be a nothing to do car, $75k should be a wet dream to look at, these are all import convert prices.i was going to stay away from converts, an import from Hong Kong or the UK was what I ideally wanted (they seem to worth a little more) but harder to come by. The UK cars do have mess underneath, corrosion and deterioration all over the place,I saw a couple and was not that keen.The converted car I have is very clean bar the oil (got to luv them) and I am quite happy so go that direction if you find one as long as the conversion is done correctly (happy to share my insights, just ask). More knowledge about 911's on my part would have been better however without owning one that would be a long and arduous task, you soon learn once you own one. Having a couple of mates with SC's has also been a blessing and great for mateship and Sunday drives (every Sunday, coffee than a good thrashing).Last thing, they all have issues, ones for sale and ones not for sale, its what makes them loveable, they are a constant work in progress which is ok as we all like to tinker and these things you can tinker with as they are not that complicated (mind you I leave the real mechanicals to the experts).Happy to help you with any questions you have (I'm almost an expert after such a short time, x being the unknown factor and a spirt is a drip under pressure) just ask for help if needed, happy to do what I can as most PFA members will.Andrew MAY know of a converted coupe here in Adelaide for 70-75k if it's still available. Personally, that's a fair wedge of cash for a converted car, but I believe it is very nice. Have seen it up close and it appears very clean. I can contact the owner if you're keen to have a lookI had some pics of it, but have lost them. I believe this is the carYou haven't told me about this one LeeM, its a real looker, is that the loud one that the panel guy owns up near StewW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 25July, 2017 Report Share Posted 25July, 2017 Thanks so much for the replies guys! 78 maybe? 3.0 - has to be manual- coupe firstly then a targa. 75k for a nice example but if I could do 50k bottom 75k top somewhere there. I don't want a beat up car but don't want a concourse scared to touch and soon to become divorced car.I can handle battle scars to a degree, mechanically I'm a novice on these cars so always learning. I'm used to old ford v8's and wanting to drive a car. Weekend drives windy roads! Thanks again guys- Given that $$$ range, I'd recommend looking for a G series (74-89), manual, factory RHD, targa - preferably a 3.2. Quick (enough), robust, relatively simple and your non Porsche friends will think the targa thing is cool (disclaimer - I have a targa...). Something like these:https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-1981/SSE-AD-4386217/?Cr=10https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-1983/SSE-AD-4764548/?Cr=11 (If you can live with Yellow...)Ps. The early 2.7 G series cars (74-76) had skinny rear guards, chrome detailing, often loud colours and, if a targa, a stainless steel hoop. Very cool combo and (I think) a bit of a sleeper in terms of the market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalai Posted 26July, 2017 Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 https://www.carsales.com.au/private/details/Porsche-911-1983/SSE-AD-4764548/?Cr=11 (If you can live with Yellow...)This one was originally red. Was originally mentioned in the sales ad but since removed - can still see the red in the engine bay. Finding something for $50k was my goal but was not to be, you've got to be very quick and very cautious, if its been hanging around at $50k there is something wrong, like the white Targa in NSW been for sale for ages, was $50k now $60k, Porsche Australia did not recognise any of the numbers when I checked. That car needs to stay in NSW.Wondered why that Targa was still for sale! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimonN Posted 26July, 2017 Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 Lots of good advice. You are going to have to be patient as there isn't a lot on the market at the moment. IMO, $75k will struggle to get a good Oz delivered SC Coupe. If you are set on Oz delivered then the Targa suggestion is good, because you get bang for your buck. If you are going to go for a coupe, things get more tricky.Some on here are fans of the 2.7 engine but they scare me because I have heard too many horror stories. The people who look after my car told me to steer clear unless there is a good reason to buy one, such as a race class you want to be in.The big question you have to ask yourself is how important Oz delivered really is to you. We are now getting into "religion" and it divides the forum. I will try to be as unbiased as I can be! The first thing to know is that they all come out of the same factory. There can be differences between models from country to country, but as far as i am aware, there is no Australian only specification. It should also be noted that the cars brought into Australia weren't always to top specs, as is the case with the later G50 gearbox 3.2 Carreras which had a detuned engine compared with some countries.The argument for Australian delivered cars is that you know the history, they are rust free, there are limited numbers and they are easy to sell. The argument against imports is that you don't know the true history, they can have serious rust issues and they are hard to sell. All of that is true, but it can also be false. You do get rusty Australian delivered cars. You do get non rusty imports (even from the UK!). I have followed the market for a while now and I cannot see any evidence that correctly priced imports are harder to sell. If your car is correctly priced, it will sell, irrespective of import or not. The problem is people get greedy and over estimate what their car is worth.Imports that are converted are another story. In general, they have a bad reputation and that is justified. In most cases, the conversion stands out to anybody with basic knowledge because there is a lot of things that most converters cannot be bothered with. Examples of this is the windscreen wipers being the "wrong' way around and the door mirrors being in the wrong place, because they are staggered and therefore wrong when you switch sides and the "smugglers box" being wrong. However, there are also converted cars which are done properly with all the right parts and which can only be identified as a convert by seeing a few spot welds in certain non obvious places. Done correctly and they are as good as any. I have personally only seen 2 good conversions and I own one of them!Oz delivered cars sell at a premium and the exact premium varies depending on what is available at the time and the state of the market. I have seen the discount as low as 20% and as high as 35%. Converted cars are even harder to price as they need to be judged individually depending on the quality of the conversion. They vary from less than an LHD car to close to a RHD import. Talking LHD, this can save you a lot of money if you are happy to drive into car parks backwards in order to get your ticket As you can tell from the above, it is important to know what you are buying in order to be able to price it. This forum is good at helping in that regard, but you need to make sure you have a good specialist do a full PPI so that you know what you are buying. Don't assume anything based on generalisations, or on what the seller says!Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 26July, 2017 Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 Some on here are fans of the 2.7 engine but they scare me because I have heard too many horror stories.I think there is a bit of interweb hype around the 2.7 problem. Most have been rebuilt by now. And only the US cars had the problematic thermal reactors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 26July, 2017 Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 You haven't told me about this one LeeM, its a real looker, is that the loud one that the panel guy owns up near StewW? Haha, no, thats an SC with a monster Varioram engine in it. Id get a loan for $75k if that was for sale for that price! Stew knows him. Yep, I sent you messages and messaged the owner couple times if you remember. I THINK this is the same car, though thought it was lighter in colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cars And Coffee Byron Bay Posted 26July, 2017 Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 Yet they may not live in a hilly suburb! ?You need to wind up your elastic band more, and peddle harder ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeeM Posted 26July, 2017 Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 You need to wind up your elastic band more, and peddle harder !And fit brakes before a test drive perhaps? ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cars And Coffee Byron Bay Posted 26July, 2017 Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 And fit brakes before a test drive perhaps? ??ok. You win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter John Posted 26July, 2017 Author Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 Well i must say thanks firstly for the time that you have all taken to respond! It took me a while to read all the responses so to have taken that time in your day for even one sentence- thanks!Lots of info that i will no doubt re-read a few times. It's exciting that i don't know much about Porsche's but am learning along the way- sort of like a new hobby even though i have been into cars for many years.It is great when you have a passion and you are so enthusiastic about it preaching just comes natural! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M Posted 26July, 2017 Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 Peter,Assuming you're not going to buy a car this weekend and are still working your way through your options, I found this book very useful when I first stated out:http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Peter-Zimmermann-s-Used-911-Story-9th-Edition-75827-/371856469781?epid=927520474&hash=item56945f6f15:g:SHEAAOSwUKxYk8rrI also found talking to owners at SMT's/C&C's useful too. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cars And Coffee Byron Bay Posted 26July, 2017 Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 I presume that doesn't apply to comments by me or @LeeM. I'm never good for much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter John Posted 26July, 2017 Author Report Share Posted 26July, 2017 Thanks peter m- looks like a valuable tool! Smt? And coffee and classics I guess? Cars and coffee Byron bay maybe not hehe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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