Coastr Posted 5February, 2015 Report Share Posted 5February, 2015 Pay someone for a PPI. Restrict the PPI to: - pull off valve covers and check studs - compression and leakdown test - rust inspection eveythingelse can be fixed Yes, the 75 gets a bad rap, but that's why its in the 20s and not the 40s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persian Posted 5February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 5February, 2015 Cool, thanks again everyone, so basically get the correct PPI done and I'm basically safe (if the PPI comes out all good) its not like a definite thing that these models will always have these issues? they are fixable basically Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Speedway Posted 5February, 2015 Report Share Posted 5February, 2015 Old cars are old cars, not all old cars appreciate like these. Get some confidence in the engine, then get it in your driveway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OBRUT Posted 5February, 2015 Report Share Posted 5February, 2015 Make sure you check the rear guards too. This car would have been delivered as a narrow body (like a pre 74 911) but with impact bumpers - which is a rare combination and (I think) kinda cool. However, many of them have had SC/Carrera rear flares fitted by now. Not a deal breaker by any means but a nice unique factor and a nod to originality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazzieman Posted 5February, 2015 Report Share Posted 5February, 2015 white looks great with cheese grader wheels Do you mean these cookie cutters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hugh Posted 5February, 2015 Report Share Posted 5February, 2015 Have you got any photos of this car? Its great that everyone is prepared to provide comment but if you want more specific advice photos are a must at minimum. Not just pretty body shots - under the car, around the engine, battery area etc. That's my advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3nr15 Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 IF the car starts and IF it has a clean PPI for the engine/transmission, it is still going to cost you $2.5K to $10K and 4-8 weeks off-the-road within the first 12 months. There will be seals and tyres to replace, fuelling issues to get right, the heating will play up, one day a burnt smell will erupt from the headlight stalk and it'll stop working. And these are the minor things. Being handy with a wrench will mitigate the costs. This is an old car. There don't appear to be any receipts, nor a good history behind it. That tells me you are probably buying a project, and not necessarily a driver. A good PPI tells you that the mechanicals are sound at that point in time, but once you actually start driving it everyday for four weeks is when things start to fall apart. However, the enjoyment you get out of a well sorted example is immeasurable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persian Posted 6February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 ahaha how embarrassing, shows my rookieness? sorry sorry cookie cutter yes! I have no idea at all why I said that, I know they call them cookie cutter ahah! wow! ill add in a few photos, of the body for now, and when I go tomorrow ill take more of the engine and under the car etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persian Posted 6February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 so now your telling me that a PPI isn't good enough? how do you play safe with these cars then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G5032 Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 Persian, a good PPI may justify the $2-$10k you may spend after buying it....I.e the motor does not need to be rebuilt (yet), no rust ect... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3nr15 Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 Hopefully the PPI will pick up any major issues, but it's the delayed maintenance and age-related wear that adds up. Your best bet is to buy a car with history, that has been regularly maintained by an enthusiastic owner. I bought a 1976 911 owned by a mature collector, and stored like yours. No PPI, took him on his word. It cost me $30K in the first 12 months and 9 months off-the-road in the first year. Then I bought a 1993 964, religiously maintained with lots of receipts. Perfect PPI. $3K in the first year (replacing leaking seals, malfunctioning tacho, some cosmetic bits-and-bobs), two weeks off-the-road. That's including choosing not to replace the 6-year old tyres that were a little hard, and not getting the air-con fixed. Then the 1992 928 - excellent PPI. $10K and 6 weeks off-the-road in the first year addressing delayed maintenance and things that started to play-up after starting to daily drive. Still haven't replaced the old tyres, and the transmission pump has just become noisy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persian Posted 6February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 hmm ye makes sense, scaring me out of it nearly these are the things I guess when I put the offer in I need to account for though or its yes if he doesn't accept, look else where hopefully something that's been driving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tit Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 I used a PPI to slice $10k off the asking price of my car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persian Posted 6February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 well you can't go wrong with that, thats awesome trying to upload some pics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgy Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 how do you play safe with these cars then? Just don't buy one! They're like drinking fine wine 911... you cringe when pop that top cos you know what silly cash you just paid for it, but after that first mouthful you forget all about the stupid $$$ and enjoy it... you even forget it when your intoxicated... by both the 911 and wine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 a PPI isn't the be all and end all of security though, some things can be missed, and things can still go wrong after a great PPI. buying any old car is a gamble, buying an old 911 is just the same (except engine/gearbox rebuilds cost a little more) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
withers Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 I think if PFA has taught me anything, PPI and then ensure you have around $5k ready for those incidentals. F3nr15 really knows what he's talking about as he's already bought the type of car you are looking at, which is now SteveFs car... $ have been spent to get it right. Tears in seats and a dashpad will be the least of your concerns - and frankly, Id be putting a car seat cover on and just driving the car to see what more important things it needs. If you dont have those funds and the old car thing scares you, maybe looking at something else like a Boxster for example is more suitable. OR wait for the right car - another thing I've learnt is these are not cars you rush in and buy unless you really know what you are getting (like a folder full of receipts for example and a car that is known). How exciting tho that you are able to buy one I was too scared when making this decision and went for my second choice which was a 2005 987 Boxster. Which I loved but In hindsight I wish I'd taken the plunge and bought a SC Targa I'd looked at. I over thought it which is widely documented on this forum. Good luck with it.. I hope it works out the best for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coastr Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 A PPI is a risk management strategy, not a risk avoidance strategy. Many Porsches are sitting for a while before they are sold. This is probably because they are hard to let go. The first thing a new owner does ismstart driving it, a lot. The very act of waking one from a slumber will shake out a lot of issues, like dry seals and hoses, rusty fasteners and the like. A PPI will tell you what is wrong right now. As others have noted, the first 6 months bubble a lot of things to the surface. When I bought my car there were a couple of things that needed to be fixed. They still do, because a few other things popped up as soon as I started driving it. None of those were on the PPI or even present when I bought it. The point is, if a few grand is going to break you after purchase, think carefully. If you've got the money, then stop talking and stressing, dive in and start fixing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew911 Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 so now your telling me that a PPI isn't good enough? how do you play safe with these cars then? PPI will only tell you how much you may need to spend to get things right. Its in no way a guarantee that things will not go wrong, but make sure you get the right people to do the PPI and talk to the guy who actually did the inspection. I spent over an hour talking to the mechanic to go through the PPI (11 pages and about 20 pictures) This is what I did when I bought my 911 from Perth, sight unseen; - talked to the owner and got all the info and documents he had - got my friend in Perth to go and see the car, test drive it, and take lots of detailed pictures and videos - based on the initial info, my friends comments and the pictures, I gave the owner a deposit to hold the car so I could arrange for a PPI - got the PPI report and negotiated the final price based on what the PPI discovered. The final price was thousands below the original asking price. I had a good idea of what I had to do to get the car right, but the important stuff was good (compression and leak-down, gearbox, running gear, no rust) - sent the money to the owner - arranged insurance - arranged transport - car arrived in Sydney two weeks later, wooo hooo ! good luck with your car, I hope its a good one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew911 Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 good stuff on PPI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveF Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 I think if PFA has taught me anything, PPI and then ensure you have around $5k ready for those incidentals. F3nr15 really knows what he's talking about as he's already bought the type of car you are looking at, which is now SteveFs car... $ have been spent to get it right. Even after Pete had spent allot to get his/my car right I have probably spent another $5k on other bits and pieces, some essential (replacement torque converter, general maintenance) and others not (head liner, seals & cosmetic stuff). Everyone is right many of these things don't appear until you start using the car on a regular basis. Having said that once you get one you won't look back. These cars are awesome! I bought a 1976 911 owned by a mature collector, and stored like yours. No PPI, took him on his word. It cost me $30K in the first 12 months and 9 months off-the-road in the first year. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f3nr15 Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 LOL, you know I only sold it because I thought I was moving to NZ permanently. I even contacted Autohaus Hamilton about selling the 964 on consignment, but didn't get that sorted out in time (thank God). Still miss the Sporto, don't think I realised how much it was a part of me until it was gone. Might try and drive it home accidentally tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
persian Posted 6February, 2015 Author Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 thanks again for all your advice I spoke to Mark Poole, the Adelaide Porsche specialist, he said bring it in basically and he will tell me what needs to be fixed and what he thinks will need to be fixed (because its been sitting) he seems to think that a lot of the time the cars will show the issues straight away if they have been sitting for so long, or even 2-3 weeks after driving it a bit... he seemed like a friendly guy and willing to help. So if all goes well tomorrow ill get him to give the run through, and when I put down my offer ill make sure I keep room for issues p.s. im trying to load a couple photos but it wont let me paste? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Speedway Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 On the bottom of your reply field there is a "More reply options" Bottom left of the next screen gives you "Choose files" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Russ Posted 6February, 2015 Report Share Posted 6February, 2015 thanks again for all your advice I spoke to Mark Poole, the Adelaide Porsche specialist, he said bring it in basically and he will tell me what needs to be fixed and what he thinks will need to be fixed (because its been sitting) he seems to think that a lot of the time the cars will show the issues straight away if they have been sitting for so long, or even 2-3 weeks after driving it a bit... he seemed like a friendly guy and willing to help. So if all goes well tomorrow ill get him to give the run through, and when I put down my offer ill make sure I keep room for issues p.s. im trying to load a couple photos but it wont let me paste? There is a section called 'Adding Galleries and Videos' http://porscheforum.com.au/index.php?/forum/79-adding-images-galleries-and-videos/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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