944 sale price

[Port 911]

Thanks to all those who have responded. I believe my S2 is in similar condition to the one that just sold. I had listed it for $33k previously to give myself negotiating room. But I believe the market was not at that point then. My position has not changed so I'll probably relist it at the same price. Mileage is about 240k. Its all sorted and doesn't drip a single drop of oil. I always thought that being a cabriolet and so few of them being built it would be somewhat desirable. The colour too being only a 1991 option year colour. Afterall how many cabs turn up at car shows. I have not seen a single one in the 3 years I have had mine and definitely not any before then too. 

Would agree, though for some reason in oz cab don't seem to be as well received as there hard top cousins, love the color, would look great next to my cab (zenith blue)

[88mph]

Does anyone have a breakdown of how many 944s were sold into Australia? 

[HH1]

Would agree, though for some reason in oz cab don't seem to be as well received as there hard top cousins, love the color, would look great next to my cab (zenith blue)

Couldn't agree with you more.  

[Plugger2]

Thanks to all those who have responded. I believe my S2 is in similar condition to the one that just sold. I had listed it for $33k previously to give myself negotiating room. But I believe the market was not at that point then. My position has not changed so I'll probably relist it at the same price. Mileage is about 240k. Its all sorted and doesn't drip a single drop of oil. I always thought that being a cabriolet and so few of them being built it would be somewhat desirable. The colour too being only a 1991 option year colour. Afterall how many cabs turn up at car shows. I have not seen a single one in the 3 years I have had mine and definitely not any before then too. 

If the car presents as well in photos as the recent S2, I can't see any problem with asking $33K, particularly since you are negotiable. 240,000kms is getting up there (the other one was just under 200,000kms), but condition trumps mileage. Complete service history helps. How long ago did you have it advertised? If it were mine, I'd probably put it on for $39K and see what sort of response I got (but I've got a thick skin! ) You can always come down if the interest isn't there.

It's a hard market to read at the moment. But there is definitely an on-going shortage of quality examples at any price, so that would definitely play in your favour.

Edited 12January, 2017 by Plugger2

[HH1]

If the car presents as well in photos as the recent S2, I can't see any problem with asking $33K, particularly since you are negotiable. 240,000kms is getting up there (the other one was just under 200,000kms), but condition trumps mileage. Complete service history helps. How long ago did you have it advertised? If it were mine, I'd probably put it on for $39K and see what sort of response I got (but I've got a thick skin! ) You can always come down if the interest isn't there.

It's a hard market to read at the moment. But there is definitely an on-going shortage of quality examples at any price, so that would definitely play in your favour.

I'm pretty thick skinned. It doesn't bother me much what others think or say, its what makes my wallet fatter that matters. I'll try it out and see what happens. The worst is no sale right! Keep an eye out boys. You've been informed.

[MB911]

Pricing is super tough at the moment for 944's. I've watched it for a year and I think I am more confused in jan 2017 than I was in Jan 2016..... It's subjective and just about finding the buyer that wants your car......

It's a bit like our conversations about the $58k 944 Turbo, lots of people saying it is worth $58k, did any of them put their hand in their own pocket to buy it...... I've kind of changed my thinking a bit from "yeah it's worth it" to "Would I buy it at that price?"...

Can't be of too much help to you HH1, 1991 must make your car rare, it's a great looking car, great colour, I just have no idea of the market for cabs because they are so rare. If it was a coupe I think early $30's would be on the money. 

If the red one sold in 24 hours for somewhere around $29k, then surely that was a car that was worth early $30's...

[HH1]

MB911, my thoughts mirror yours. Pricing is all over the place, but I guess the only thing I can do is try.

[MB911]

It looks like a great car, the right buyer will love it. GLWS. 

[Plugger2]

 It looks like a great car, the right buyer will love it. GLWS. 

+1.

One thing I'd suggest is to take a leaf out of the red S2 seller's book, and 1) clean and detail the car inside and out to get it as gleamingly neat and beautiful as it can be, and 2) take LOTS of high-quality, useful, informative photographs. Less of the weird-angle "art" shots, and more of the angles that actually show what a prospective buyer wants to see: every panel, at least once, engine bay, inside the car, front and back. 3) His blurb is very good too, short and to the point, key points, no hype.

You need to lovingly clean and polish and detail until it is so beautiful, you suddenly wake up and realise "I must be mad! How I can sell this car! It's the most beautiful thing in the world. I could never part with it, never, ever, never!..."

Then you know you've got it right.

Edited 12January, 2017 by Plugger2

[JLD]

Do the 944S2 cabs have rear seats?

[Plugger2]

Do the 944S2 cabs have rear seats?

Oz delivered ones don't. UK ones do.

Weird, I know, Never figured that one out.

[TINGY]

IMO you have to be careful going too high with the price. I think the question i would be asking myself is, why didn't it sell the first time?

No doubt your cab 944 is a very tidy car and i remember it on carsales and I'm sure i also remember it being on at the same time as there wasn't too many good cars on there as well. Maybe the market wasn't ready for a $33k cab at that time and let's face it they are not the most sought after model. Now that the market has just seen the sale of the red S2 it just might be waiting for the next 3.0litre to come along.

In your ad don't tell people about 944's, tell them about your car, last major service or when it is due if it's a couple of years away, like plugger said all the important stuff because that's what we want to know right?

I would take all new shots and especially show the wheels have no kerb rash for example, also the most important parts of the car, condition of seats and the clincher for me, engine shot. To me this shows how much the owner cares for the car, but that's just me, and most important be open and upfront when you get a phone call, as we all know when something is a bit fishy.

Good luck with the sale, so hard to price a cab i think, not much to benchmark with.

[HH1]

Plugger and Tingy944, very sound advice indeed.  I will definitely polish it up a bit. It's always in good shiny condition as I simply can't stand driving a dusty car. I've had it coming to 3 years now and probably drove it 6k maximum in that period as I've always had multiple cars and work from home so if I drive it more than twice a month, it's considered plenty.  

[TINGY]

It did look good on carsales last time HH1, are you going to get into another 944 or moving to another model Porsche?

[HH1]

Tingy, I've also got a 89 928 S4. I've got 4 other cars at the moment and hardly drive anything, so its just trying to thin out the fleet. However I will always have some sort of Porsche in the garage. But lets not get ahead of ourselves, 1st comes sale then options. No sale no options!

[Plugger2]

I think the question i would be asking myself is, why didn't it sell the first time?

For a car like this one, which is a niche market within a niche market, it's always hard to answer that question. The price could have been too high; or, alternatively, there were just no serious buyers in the 944s2 cab market at that time. Problem is with both scenarios you get the same result.

I would suggest patience is a key virtue in selling a car like this. Certainly, price the vehicle according to a method that you can justify to any potential buyer (even if there were no recent 944s2 cab sales to point to, I'd point to car sales "nearby" in the 944 hierarchy, i.e., turbos and s2 coupes.) I think its difficult to argue that cabs should be priced less than an equivalent s2 coupe, for example, because, let's face it, if you are in the market for a cab, you probably aren't considering a coupe, and vice versa. They really are different sub-markets, just the cab market being much smaller, both in terms of buyers and sellers.

I realise in the 911 market, the coupes have long ruled in terms of price over targas and cabs, but I'd argue that's a very different market again, so you can't assume an automatic carry-over to the the 944 market.

Edited 12January, 2017 by Plugger2

[AU924CGT]

Not to my knowledge, I believe it is still held by the purchasing member here.  Sold for 16k late last year off a carsales add.  Car was located in Gosford.  Very tidy, I have seen quite a few photos that the purchasing member sent me.

I own this car. About 10 forum members enquired at the time. Great car. 

[Jason E]

I own this car. About 10 forum members enquired at the time. Great car. 

I probably should have bought this off you Paul.  I've spent heaps on my car so far (mechanically) & have plenty of cosmetic work to do.  Nothing is more expensive than a cheap Porsche haha (but really I am semi sobbing inside). 

[AU924CGT]

I probably should have bought this off you Paul.  I've spent heaps on my car so far (mechanically) & have plenty of cosmetic work to do.  Nothing is more expensive than a cheap Porsche haha (but really I am semi sobbing inside). 

Sorry to hear about this Jason. It certainly can add up quickly. At least choosing a reputable workshop to deal with the mechanicals will give you peace of mind. And if you intend to keep for the long term, can chip away on other improvements in your own time. Does your 944 include complete service history, books etc?

[Jason E]

Sorry to hear about this Jason. It certainly can add up quickly. At least choosing a reputable workshop to deal with the mechanicals will give you peace of mind. And if you intend to keep for the long term, can chip away on other improvements in your own time. Does your 944 include complete service history, books etc?

Hi Paul,

Buchanan's have done a great job so far on the mechanicals, I just need to organise a new clutch & some new shock absorbers & it should be trouble free for quite some time as my daily.  As you say the cosmetics can be done over time.  History wise the original books are all there & were kept well for the first 10 years or so & then that's it till my entries from Buchanans in 2016.  So really there is only a short 16 year period of lapsed maintenance records- almost negligible really.  The bloke I bought it from had it for 7 or 8 years according to him & he states he was the 3rd owner but who knows at this stage.  I will do some research into it's history when I get some time to scratch myself.  He did absolutely nothing to the car whilst he owned it -hence it's need for so much deferred maintenance restoration to the mechanicals.  At least this way I sort of have a baseline to know when everything has been done.  It's like buying a new car in some respects, you know everything should work for a few years before you have to do anything.  With my car I just assume everything is fucked & I'll need to fix it all - it's logical - sort of .

[MB911]

Slightly off topic. I just went to drop some stuff off at my unit where the S2 is living while I renovate. I couldn't help but lift the layers of car covers to look at it as it has been away for a few months now. Immaculate and gleaming, soft core car porn in the flesh The young bloke running the place walked past and was very taken by the car and we had a long discussion. It's moments like that when you are reminded that any immaculate Porsche is a great car and average people who love cars couldn't car less whether it is a 944, 911, Cayman or Boxster, it's just a great car. We see so many $100k + cars on this forum that we don't have the same perspective anymore. We seem to be hearing more words like "Pedigree and Heritage" and less words like "Fun, enjoyment, and pride of ownership". 

What's this got to do with 944 sale price, maybe the realisation that I have been spending too much time worrying about what they are selling for and not enough time driving it and enjoying it. 

Get out and drive  

[Plugger2]

At least this way I sort of have a baseline to know when everything has been done.  It's like buying a new car in some respects, you know everything should work for a few years before you have to do anything.

Actually, even a perfectly maintained older car going on 30yo is not going to be like a new car... there is always *something* that pops up to be done, and they are the sort of things related to age, that you just don't see in new (or even younger) cars -- plastics get brittle, electrical connectors go south, all sorts of weird stuff. It just comes with the territory. I think of "maintenance schedules" for new vehicles. and "car and feeding" for these cars. A bit more like owning a pet than a car.

Bur remember to take them walkies regularly, and everything makes sense.

[micknine01]

Price drop. what's this lefty really worth? 

https://carsales.mobi/cars/details/Porsche-944-1987/SSE-AD-3973254

 

[michel]

What would you buy it for ?

[micknine01]

What would you buy it for ?

maybe 15. And 25 if it was a white Aussie turbo that was running and driving ?